no m390 steel models ?

[JNewell]

I am glad that you did, becausr I had a strong desire to reply to that post

I am always listening to what Benchmaniac 707 would say (evfen I like Ares much more than 707).
In addition, I agree with everybody above, who said that we need M390 Native5 now

What, no M390 Caly 3.5???????

 

[SpeedHoles]

What, no M390 Caly 3.5???????

Let's extend that thought, and how about a Yojimbo 2 in Super Blue. That'll happen, right?

 

[bh49]

What, no M390 Caly 3.5???????

I can only wish Caly3.5 and C83 Bolstered Persian with M390 blades, but you know the story about Japanese makers, who loves to use only Japanese steels, so Native5 or may be even better Shaman with M390 would be great.

 

[The Mastiff]

This particular post gives me the impression that the OP is a kid with a little knowledge who doesn't even see the mountain of stuff he hasn't learned yet.

To sum the discussion up, nobody actually knows why M390 has not become a mainstream steel.

Too bad: nothing wrong with having H1-like corrosion resistance+S30V-like hardness in one blade.

Not everyone thinks that M390 is the greatest. Also, by now you realize the H1 like corrosion resistance statement is a wash. You should also know talking about "S30V like hardness" makes no sense. Do you mean "abrasive wear resistance"?

Something for you to consider. Spyderco is in large part responsible for the move to supply the customers with "boutique" type "sprint" runs with steels that are new to the knife industry, or have only been available in custom knives before Spyderco. All this happened well before the "mule team" program which has been not only one of the most intelligent, but also interesting and well received programs in the history of the cutlery industry.

Not all that long ago you bought a knife brand. They gave you whatever the hell steel they wanted not even telling the customer in most cases more than "stainless" or "carbon" steel. No other information usually except "oil the joints" and perhaps a sentence on keeping the knife sharp.

Learn what you don't know before you try to cast judgement.

Joe

 

[SpeedHoles]

It's like the OP is making it our duty to teach, and laying obligation on the shoulders of this forum to "convince" him/her of some mysterious one word answer that will be the end all of all discussions. And until then, not satisfied nor amused. :yawn:

 

[bodog]

I find it funny that the OP thinks that just because a steel costs more that it must be better or that m390 is better than "x" steel for some reason. There are many uses for knives, some m390 would excel in, others it wouldn't be good at all. What exactly makes it better than another steel and why should a company only produce blades with it?

 

[CryoGuy5272]

With the more readily available sourcing to Lionsteel its possible we could have a sprint of the Lionspy and the Lil in m390. Seems the OP could be happy with that.

 

[deskil]

I'm still trying to envision a knife use for which M390 "wouldn't be good at all".

 

[SpeedHoles]

I'm still trying to envision a knife use for which M390 "wouldn't be good at all".

Envision this:
The guy who already has a knife in CTS-204P... and no need for that same knife to be in m390. There you go, dilemma solved.

 

[deskil]

Envision this:
The guy who already has a knife in CTS-204P... and no need for that same knife to be in m390. There you go, dilemma solved.

If I've learned anything on this forum, it's that need has little to do with a knife purchase.

These are the only two Para 2's I own....and yes, I need both of 'em. No dilemma here.

 

[SpeedHoles]

If I've learned anything on this forum, it's that need has little to do with a knife purchase.

These are the only two Para 2's I own....and yes, I need both of 'em. No dilemma here.

Lol nice pair!
Point taken! One way of solving the dilemna.
So, brings up the question, have you noticed a practical difference between the two?

 

[deskil]

So, brings up the question, have you noticed a practical difference between the two?

Not that I can tell.
I believe that it would take a rigorous regimen of statistical testing to see any appreciable difference - not something that interests me, in the least. :yawn:

 

[Rare blade]

Maybe the difficulty in sharpening for the average consumer some of the more exotic steels?

 

[bodog]

I'm still trying to envision a knife use for which M390 "wouldn't be good at all".

I don't imagine that m390 would be good for my uses. But then again, I cut up a huge variety of things, not just cardboard and rope. I also use it as an impromptu lever *gasp*, use it to chip out hard materials from other hard materials, etc. Wear resistance and high levels of stain resistance mean less to me a steel that's tough with both lateral and impacting loads, holds a decent edge for awhile, and doesn't chip out or roll when cutting and chipping hard materials. I imagine 3V would be good but it's kind of hard to find thinner slicey type knives that have it. No one seems to want to take advantage of what 3V brings without going for the "overbuilt" thing and wasting a perfectly good steel. At the thickness a lot of these knives are, they could be 440C and still do pretty good. Thinner + tougher + pretty good edge retention = better for me. I'm waiting for the 20CP and 4V mules to come out to use, but if you have an M390 blade at about the thickness of a Mule blade I'd be happy to use it the same way I've been using my PSF27 blade to see if you can change my mind. Telling me how you cut some rope and cardboard for hours doesn't help me at all when I can chip out an s110v blade in less than 15 minutes worth of work. PSF27 has done really well, Elmax was ok, s30v not so much, 154cm not at all, and definitely not s110v. I guess I could be wrong. We all need just one steel and m390 is the perfect choice because no one does more than cut rope, cardboard, and envelopes.

 

[Sonnydaze]

Holy Cow, your post count is rising...
I don't need to offend, but this thread has become...
:yawn:

 

[Tdhurl1103]

If I've learned anything on this forum, it's that need has little to do with a knife purchase.

These are the only two Para 2's I own....and yes, I need both of 'em. No dilemma here.

My wife REALLY needs to see this. Maybe then she would understand me better.

 

[deskil]

I don't imagine that m390 would be good for my uses.

Experience trumps imagination, any day.

...if you have an M390 blade at about the thickness of a Mule blade I'd be happy to use it the same way I've been using my PSF27 blade to see if you can change my mind.

I do have this M390 Mule, but I doubt I'll be sending it to you for "testing", because I just don't really feel the need to change your mind.

Tell me how you cut some rope and cardboard for hours doesn't help me at all when I can chip out an s110v blade in less than 15 minutes worth of work.

Didn't say a word about cutting rope (or anything else).

...guess I could be wrong. We all need just one steel and m390 is the perfect choice because no one does more than cut rope, cardboard, and envelopes.

You might be wrong - I don't know about that (and neither do you). Before you make sweeping statements about a steel that you have no experience with, you should probably get an M390 Mule and compare it to yours in PSF27 - good luck with that.
I believe you'd be surprised with M390's performance, even if it turns out to be not quite as tough as you think it should be - and that's a statement that comes from experience (not imagination).

 

[SpeedHoles]

So, brings up the question, have you noticed a practical difference between the two?

^ referring to use of m390 compared to 204P, in the same knife.

Not that I can tell.
I believe that it would take a rigorous regimen of statistical testing to see any appreciable difference - not something that interests me, in the least. :yawn:

AND... this should be the final answer to the entire thread. Lock it up.

With differences apparently so minute to be noticeable, let's chalk the reasoning up to Spyderco supplier contracts and whatnot, and that all being "on a need to know basis", which we don't have clearance for.

 

[bodog]

Experience trumps imagination


Didn't say a word about cutting rope (or anything else).


You might be wrong - I don't know about that (and neither do you). Before you make sweeping statements about a steel that you have no experience with, you should probably get an M390 Mule and compare it to yours in PSF27 - good luck with that.
I believe you'd be surprised with M390's performance, even if it turns out to be not quite as tough as you think it should be - and that's a statement that comes from experience (not imagination).

I guess you're right, M390 is the best steel. So now we can all answer that question anytime someone asks. Knife companies need to stop producing blades with any other steel. I'm glad it's figured out. Thanks man, you've helped solve a question that's been around for long time. When anyone at all says that some other steel properties are better than wear and stain resistance, everyone can tell them to shut up because obviously everyone only needs wear and stain resistance. And people cannot make a reasonable assessment based on chemical composition, material formation, and "peer reviews." Everyone needs to test every steel for themselves. There can be no logical conclusions based on a plethora of evidence alone. So tell me, what hard work have you done with m390 to back up your statements? Are you going to call Jerry Busse and tell him he needs to stop using infi, sr101, and Elmax? You said toughness isn't that important, maybe you can convince him. While you're at it, call all the guys who compete in blade sports and tell them they're wrong for using m4 and and now recently 4V. Tell them that all the properties they're looking for don't matter, that m390 is perfect for everyone in all uses. Tell Phil wilson that he's wrong for using anything but m390. Tell Gayle Bradley that he's not thinking clearly when he says PSF27 is the best all around steel he knows of. It's ok, they'll listen to your experience over their own experience and the available data.

Don't take this as me saying m390 is bad, everything out there shows that's not true. It just may not be the best steel for everyone's uses.

 

[ToxicBot11]

Mules? My K390 mule has outdone them all..