No more liner / frame locks for me !

[Blue Sky]

Based on the OP I fail to see how people are concluding abuse at this point? There is no mention of chopping, prying, twisting or anything of the sort. The statement that he "pulled it out from a wood log" isn't enough info to determine anything.

 

[marthinus]

I am curious to know what exactly happened when the knife closed. Spyderco design their knives with safety in mind. They design their knives for accidental closures that the user will not be cut.

Pictures found through google image search.

 

[JTR357]

get a fixed blade. locking knives have limitations.. what exactly did you do to make it close on you?

Plus one on this.As much as I like my framelocks & backlocks,I would never treat them like a fixed blade.I hope you heal up well & there's no nerve damage.

 

[STR]

Look at the micro knives in small fixed. I like these little micro knives with Kiah Kydex sheaths custom made to fit it. His sheaths allow you to carry the dang things upside down on a belt with nothing but para cord belt loops if you want or neck knives or pocket just take the clip off. I don't even use the clip shown on the sheath anymore. Often I loop the sheath on my belt and carry the knife in place of a multi tool. Specially since getting my STREK in my pocket. The main thing I was using on the SAK tool al the time was the screw driver so easy switch there but these micro knives don't fold mate. Some of em have pretty good handles on them. I think all the companies are making something of this type now. Here it is sitting on my other EDC, a Seecamp 32 auto that partners with me most days. Oh, and this here knife shown is a Bark River Micro Canadian I think they call it.

 

[R.G]

So what is a point for making 0.19" thick 3V blade and put it in a folder with extra large pivot and thick slap of Ti? People would expect more than cutting open a taped box when them spend 250$ for the Tuff.

sorry for double posted.

Hi all
my thoughts exactly
Thanks for the replies
1. I didn't put the knife thru any hard test , I was pulling the knife out of 2.5" log of wood that it was stack in to make a stick for my kid for camping , as I pulled the knife probably not striate , the knife fold on my hand and got out of the log.
yes I know a fixed blade won't do it but there are times you go walking / biking and you have only your folder in your pocket
yes I know I could be more careful , but that knife got me to feel very comfortable with it so I got less aware of the danger
I got lots of fixed blades from busse (ash1, basic 6 , rodent , fsh...) to mora but you don't always carry them on you
I don't blame no one but me but I do ask If you know a folding knife so magical that will do all of the things a small fixed blade will do without failing ( ad10 comes to mind but I still didn't got one , waiting for the one to sell international in a reasonable price )
I won't go back to liner/frame lock again
thx
Ron

 

[T. Erdelyi]

...I wouldn't swear off of frame/liner locks, I would just suggest taking this as a learning experience. Treat all folders like a slipjoint, and if there is a chance force can be applied to the spine go with a fixed blade. Fixed blades have no moving parts that can fail. Something like an Izula 2 will do everything you could need, and the Izula/Candiru are just compact versions in case you want size variations...

Honestly, the "hard use" folder is the worst thing to happen to knives since not naming steels. I don't care how "tough" you call your folder, it is still weaker than a fixed blade. Solid steel beats pieces of steel wedged against each other every day. The blade can be thick for prying, but anything else is dangerous (chopping primarily). The purpose of a folder is space conservation at the cost of strength. It is convenience over function.

I'm not saying never carry a folder, I am saying know its purpose. Err on the side of caution. Better to carry two knives (fixed and folder) than lop a finger off.

Heaven help me but I'd have to agree here, FBs "usually" equal no failure, ( nothing is unbreakable if you think it is, just give it to 6 year old )

In 45 years of carrying a knife I've only ever had one fold on me, it was a knock off 70s German SAK,I tried to stab a telephone pole with it and it nearly cut my finger off.

This is why I usually carry a small FB like the RAT, (sorry ESEE, I have an old one) Izula and what ever other knife I have, anything from a Sodbuster to a small Sebenza 21.

Right tool for the right job...

 

[jill jackson]

Based on the OP I fail to see how people are concluding abuse at this point? There is no mention of chopping, prying, twisting or anything of the sort. The statement that he "pulled it out from a wood log" isn't enough info to determine anything.

I held my Tuff in my left hand and concluded, considering where his cut is located, he had to have a half grip on the knife. With a full grip the blade would have contacted his finger on the un-sharpened part of the blade. I would also highly suspect the blade was stuck in the log and he might have twisted the knife with a good deal of force, twisting the locking bar off it's contact. If he could have just pulled it straight out, I can't see where the lock-bar would have any force on it to cause it to release. Until he provides more detailed information we all are just coming up with our own theories. (OK he did, but I was typing at the time)

All locks on folders have their weak points, a lock back can slip out of it's notch and you could grip a axis lock in a manner, while pulling back on the handle and release it. You can twist a frame locks handle with enough force to cause it to slip. Dirt can get in any of them and compromise the locks. You treat folders like fixed blades, IMO you're going to be cut sooner or later. I love to carry folders because they are more compact, but if I know I'm going to be using a knife hard, I'll pick up a fixed blade.

 

[R.G]

And don't get me wrong , I love that knife
It's a love and hate relationship

 

[abcdef]

Here is the folder for you:

http://www.extremaratioknivesdivision.eu/english/

 

[jill jackson]

Here is the folder for you:

http://www.extremaratioknivesdivision.eu/english/

I've read people here complaining about those too.

 

[Tripton]

I don't care what brand, what price, who the designer de jour is when it comes to folders, if you are a user and not a collector, the lock, any and every lock, will eventually fail; and when I say user, I don't mean using your big azz Strider at work cutting cardboard, twine, and tape. For me, all my folders that see regular use and in a pinch go from simply cutting open a taped box, all the way up to slicing meat, veggies, and fruit when I'm on the road, or in a backyard BBQ...anything more intense would and should require a fixed blade. There's a reason you don't see a folding bayonet affixed to a rifle.

This post will most assuredly bring out the haters.

Just how old am I going to have to be for all of my folders to "eventually" fail?

"Use" doesn't mean needlessly and stupidly batoning firewood, or needlessly and stupidly prying fatwood out of a stump. If you use a knife like a knife, it is exceptionally difficult to cut yourself.

Of course these days, in internetforumland, it is necessary for folders to be able to baton ash and stab cars and still stay strong and sharp enough to scare a bad guy's throat open at 20 paces.

Seems like for some similar reason people find it necessary to treat their fixed blades like hammers, hatchets, wedges, and prybars, too. For the most part, sure stupidity.








There are lots of reasons to not have a folding bayonet on a rifle, but strength is not one of them.

 

[Buffalohump]

Definitely a fixed blade, especially if you like to use em hard. Easier to clean, and so much stronger than any folder. However, using ANY knife has an element of risk.

 

[cards94]

get a fixed blade. locking knives have limitations.. what exactly did you do to make it close on you?

plus a million.
folders aren't meant to be driven into logs and if used properly will last a very long time. people love pushing a folder past what it was meant for, than when it fails, they blame the knife. get a fixed blade.

 

[R.G]

Look at the micro knives in small fixed. I like these little micro knives with Kiah Kydex sheaths custom made to fit it. His sheaths allow you to carry the dang things upside down on a belt with nothing but para cord belt loops if you want or neck knives or pocket just take the clip off. I don't even use the clip shown on the sheath anymore. Often I loop the sheath on my belt and carry the knife in place of a multi tool. Specially since getting my STREK in my pocket. The main thing I was using on the SAK tool al the time was the screw driver so easy switch there but these micro knives don't fold mate. Some of em have pretty good handles on them. I think all the companies are making something of this type now. Here it is sitting on my other EDC, a Seecamp 32 auto that partners with me most days. Oh, and this here knife shown is a Bark River Micro Canadian I think they call it.

I like that knife
thx
I will try to find a fixblade that fits in the pocket and is made out of cpm3v

 

[Cap’n Smudge]

Hi all
my thoughts exactly
Thanks for the replies
1. I didn't put the knife thru any hard test , I was pulling the knife out of 2.5" log of wood that it was stack in to make a stick for my kid for camping , as I pulled the knife probably not striate , the knife fold on my hand and got out of the log.
yes I know a fixed blade won't do it but there are times you go walking / biking and you have only your folder in your pocket
yes I know I could be more careful , but that knife got me to feel very comfortable with it so I got less aware of the danger
I got lots of fixed blades from busse (ash1, basic 6 , rodent , fsh...) to mora but you don't always carry them on you
I don't blame no one but me but I do ask If you know a folding knife so magical that will do all of the things a small fixed blade will do without failing ( ad10 comes to mind but I still didn't got one , waiting for the one to sell international in a reasonable price )
I won't go back to liner/frame lock again
thx
Ron

Knife was not being used hard.

 

[cards94]

izula 2

 

[jill jackson]

Knife was not being used hard.

Then why did he have it in a half grip? It had to be if it folded and cut his left index finger where it did. Why would a person have a knife with a well designed handle like that in a half grip? Could it be because they would want to apply more force to free a stuck blade? A half grip would give more leverage on the stuck blade and I'd bet he was twisting it as hard as he could, to try to get it free. These modern locks just don't fail so easy, unless you do something wrong.

 

[Syncharmony]

Part of the design of a frame lock is that as you grip it, you are applying pressure to the lock making it more 'secure'. Unfortunately, if you are left handed, it's not going to be ideal, and you can't really take advantage of this function. That being said, if the knife was held up in the choil area when pulling it out, if it did experience lock failure, it would not have been able to cut due to the choil making first contact with the fingers before the blade.

If I was a lefty, I would probably stay away from frame locks as well unless it was designed for a lefty.

 

[lemonslush]

Get a fixed blade, no folder will ever have the strength and piece of mind a fixed will. I have seen almost all types of folders fail (liners and frames more so than others). Things with choils do help depending on how your grip is when the knife fails, it could stop on your finger with the choile before the blade bits. The axis locks are great and the cold steels work well although I personally dont like cold steel knives. You could try something like a Balisong or a paratrooper knife. I never use my balis for hard use ( or any folder for that matter). Multi-tools keep the blade pretty safe, most have locks in combination with the handles of the tool sandwich the knife so even if it fold on you it will stop. I say just get a smaller fixed blade. Esee Izula is excellent size for almost every task, super tough steel and awesome warranty. Comes with a great sheath and you can get a clip for it, I wear mine IWB. If that's not a long enough blade they esee 3 or 4 should suite you. You can beat the bag out of those knives and they will come right back, easy edge to sharpen as well.

If your using knives that hard on a regular basis I would get a folder to do a fixed blades job.

 

[lemonslush]

Look at the micro knives in small fixed. I like these little micro knives with Kiah Kydex sheaths custom made to fit it. His sheaths allow you to carry the dang things upside down on a belt with nothing but para cord belt loops if you want or neck knives or pocket just take the clip off. I don't even use the clip shown on the sheath anymore. Often I loop the sheath on my belt and carry the knife in place of a multi tool. Specially since getting my STREK in my pocket. The main thing I was using on the SAK tool al the time was the screw driver so easy switch there but these micro knives don't fold mate. Some of em have pretty good handles on them. I think all the companies are making something of this type now. Here it is sitting on my other EDC, a Seecamp 32 auto that partners with me most days. Oh, and this here knife shown is a Bark River Micro Canadian I think they call it.

Nice seacamp almost picked one of those up the other day. Heard they liked specific types of ammo, speer gold dots i belive and I had no luck finding any so I decided to pass. Did you check out the 380 version