No more liner / frame locks for me !

Yeah, the basic idea of a hard use folder is a misunderstanding of the tool. Fixed blade, or understand the limitations of each tool you use, the limitation of a folder is it's designed to fold.
 
I think ''no more sharp pointy things for me'' would have been a more appropriate title, congratulations on the learning though,the cut will heal and this will likely never happen you again.
 
I remember when the complaints of easily failing locks on the Tuff first arose. I thought it was due to the really short lock bar creating a less than ideal geometry but I haven't heard that since they fixed it, so who knows.

The only folder I have had close on me that I can remember was a benchmade nitrous Stryker. All others have been darn good
 
neverdie36 said:
I remember when the complaints of easily failing locks on the Tuff first arose. I thought it was due to the really short lock bar creating a less than ideal geometry but I haven't heard that since they fixed it, so who knows.

The only folder I have had close on me that I can remember was a benchmade nitrous Stryker. All others have been darn good
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How do you know you are getting a "fixed" one?
 
Sounds like pilot error. If you are swinging knives into logs a fixed blade is a better option.
 
neverdie36 said:
Got me.... I honestly don't even know if there was a change made and what they would have changed.
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Maybe a change to the lock face geometry on the blade's tang or steel lockbar insert? Or additional pressure on the lockbar itself?

My TUFF locks up like a beast at 45% - 50%; I tried the palm spinewhack test about 10 times and my hand hurts now... :foot:;):D
 
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I don't care if it's a screwdriver, hammer, saw, wrench, knife...use any tool incorrectly and you'll most likely be injured. At that point you should learn from your mistake instead of giving up on the tool.

I know it's convenient to just carry a folding knife instead of a hatchet, axe, machete and pry bar - but it doesn't mean it can take their place either. Be smart!
 
LX_Emergency said:
i don't think the words folder and log should be used in the same sentence unless you're trying to tell someone NOT to use a folder. .....

Don't know if the knife failed. But yeah. .. Hard use folder is an oxymoron.
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So don't call a knif "tuff" if you make it for cutting paper , I have my mini griptilian for that
 
archieblue said:
If ya play hard, eventually, you're gonna fall hard. I toy around with my knives all the time. I consider it practice and testing. I've taken down an oak pallet with only a Strider SnG. I was at a car camping party, everything was wet & collecting was illegal but someone brought pallets. For starters, I stomped & used a large rock to do the initial large to smaller pieces. I know I could have accomplished all tasks with rocks, but let's face it... it was knifey playtime! Everything from making tiny kindling to batoning varying pieces. It was the only cutting instrument I brought and I was the only one with any such tool! I treated it as if it may, at any moment, close on my fingers or even just break. When batoning a folder (rare for me and not out of necessity) I've done it with the blade unlocked so as to not muck up the lock interface. "Chopping" with a folder will almost definitely "peen" the stop pin, deform other interfaces, and likely cause other damage as well. So IMO that would only be a life or death option.

I would put more faith in a knife that is purposely made to be excellent, THEN priced, such as an SnG, over a knife whose manufacture is purposely chosen as a cheaper option (Taiwan). Then again any time I'm going out to play in the outdoors I typically bring a Fixed blade knife and a folding toy.
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when all else fails, blame it on Taiwan lol.

my guess is that misuse is the culprit here and not spyderco.
 
R.G said:
So don't call a knif "tuff" if you make it for cutting paper , I have my mini griptilian for that
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It's a Tuff knife if you use it with a bit of smarts and that doesn't include getting it jammed in a small log, then twisting it out while holding it in a half grip. You do that you may just understandably cut your finger. After all you said you'd used it for awhile and were satisfied with it, until that happened.
 
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jill jackson said:
Taiwan Spydercos have become considered the best, of the Spydercos by many.
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i agree with that 100% (which was the point of my post).

i'm not sure why ol' archieblue is always so quick to criticize anything outsourced.

the quality is superb particularly on Taiwan manufactured spydercos.

i'm guessing he's never handled one because he's too busy protesting rather than gaining any actual experience with the knives.

i would never deny anything simply because it's not made in the usa.

contrary to what people may think our products aren't always the best.

regardless, every case (possibly 2 or 3) of the tuff failing that i've heard sounds suspect to me.

whaling on your folders and treating them like fixed blades is a recipe for disaster.
 
An Estwing Camper's Axe is tough, but it makes a lousy crowbar. ;)

(handle flexes)
 
My Tuff is just fine.
I read about the so-called "failures", so I decided I would play too.
I spine-whacked it into the palm of my hand till the inside of the knuckles were bruised...no failures.
Steady pressure on the spine = no movement.

Maybe some people got lemons.
Maybe some people got used knives which were "modified" by others.
Who knows.

What I know is that my Tuff, CCQ-12, SnG, SmF, Umnumzaan, Skirmish, and ZT 0550 are all solid and outdoors approved through use. :thumbup:
 
R.G said:
So don't call a knif "tuff" if you make it for cutting paper , I have my mini griptilian for that
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You presumably beat the knife several inches into solid wood, pulled it out at an angle and it didn't break - I'd call that "tuff". You getting cut was a side effect.
 
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