No, you are NOT a knife seller

leozinho said:
Simple Definition of extort. : to get (something, such as money) from a person by the use of force or threats.

No one is being forced to threatened.
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I think it's a perfectly acceptable use of the word. The implied threat is that the customer won't get the product without paying over-inflated prices. Does it meet the legal/criminal level, probably not. Does anyone who's ever who's been the victim of such practices know exactly what I mean, yes.

It's too easy to just blame the people who are simply trying to buy something they value and desire. We all know it's just greed to jack up prices in the manner described, or at least we should know.

Anger where it's deserved, frustration where it's deserved.
 
It's similar to scalping tickets for high demand concerts and live shows. In my opinion the only way to even try to be fair is simply limit the number that can be purchased in one transaction by one person. What happens after that is fair game in my opinion. The people who are willing to wait at the box office overnight or keep redialing the number trying to get through should be able to do whatever they wish with their purchases - as long as its legal.

Do I like it? No. Do I see a better way to handle it? No. And I certainly don't like the way that some big time sports tickets have gone. You have to pay a huge fee (season ticket/seat license) just to reserve a place of the list of "approved buyers" to guarantee your place in line. Then you have to pay full price for the actual tickets on top of that! NO THANKS!!!
 
This comes up a lot move on but it if ya want it and your wallet can afford buy it. If not move on life ain't fair find another one. Sulking All over a pricred item sale imo not worth is
 
Funny how people complain over a guy making 10% or so on a knife but yet will go to McDonalds and pay a 300% profit for a hamburger. Makes no sense. To me someone can ask whatever they want, it's their item. If I don't like the price I move along.
 
JohnWE said:
I think it's a perfectly acceptable use of the word. The implied threat is that the customer won't get the product without paying over-inflated prices. Does it meet the legal/criminal level, probably not. Does anyone who's ever who's been the victim of such practices know exactly what I mean, yes.

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Just because you think it is an acceptable use of the word doesn't make it so. There's no implied threat. (Its actually quite real that you won't get the knife if you don't pay the asking prices. That's not a threat.)

Is it "probably not" criminal/illegal? That you have to say "probably" makes me question your understanding. It's clearly not illegal. Nothing 'probably' about it.

I'd also point out there's no victim here.

Your hyperbole (extortion, threat, victim, etc) makes you seem like a whining baby.

The flippers are exploiting the retailers/sellers lack of pricing information. Would you just prefer it if the online retailers raised their price to what the market would bear?
 
leozinho said:
Just because you think it is an acceptable use of the word doesn't make it so. There's no implied threat. (Its actually quite real that you won't get the knife if you don't pay the asking prices. That's not a threat.)

Is it "probably not" criminal/illegal? That you have to say "probably" makes me question your understanding. It's clearly not illegal. Nothing 'probably' about it.

I'd also point out there's no victim here.

Your hyperbole (extortion, threat, victim, etc) makes you seem like a whining baby.

The flippers are exploiting the retailers/sellers lack of pricing information. Would you just prefer it if the online retailers raised their price to what the market would bear?
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I'm not overly concerned with what you think about what I wrote. I was simply voicing an opinion, without resorting to terms like "whining baby" by the way.

You're entitled to your beliefs, I'll hang on to mine.

Thanks for chiming in, I gave your concerns all the attention they deserve.
 
gonebad395 said:
This comes up a lot move on but it if ya want it and your wallet can afford buy it. If not move on life ain't fair find another one. Sulking All over a pricred item sale imo not worth is
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Exactly. All this drama over free-market capitalism. Nobody is forcing or extorting anybody to buy some new knife they got the hots for.

And while all this "seller" and "buyer" blaming is going on....I don't see anybody blaming the manufacturers....why they make limited runs so they can charge more and make more money! Extortionists!

:rolleyes:

Don't like the price...don't buy it. Same as with everything else.
 
I guess the easy answer is for those who are in the know about the special super secret pre-orders and sales and the rest is pump the word out everywhere in no uncertain terms.

If some unscrupulous players are taking advantage of insider info then pull back the curtain and take that advantage away.

Get rid of all the nudge nudge wink wink secret handshake stuff that's going on and we'll all meet on level ground.
 
Danke42 said:
I guess the easy answer is for those who are in the know about the special super secret pre-orders and sales and the rest is pump the word out everywhere in no uncertain terms.

If some unscrupulous players are taking advantage of insider info then pull back the curtain and take that advantage away.

Get rid of all the nudge nudge wink wink secret handshake stuff that's going on and we'll all meet on level ground.
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Communist.

:D
 
Danke42 said:
I guess the easy answer is for those who are in the know about the special super secret pre-orders and sales and the rest is pump the word out everywhere in no uncertain terms.

If some unscrupulous players are taking advantage of insider info then pull back the curtain and take that advantage away.

Get rid of all the nudge nudge wink wink secret handshake stuff that's going on and we'll all meet on level ground.
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Wait, is that extortion? I'm not clear on the definition.
 
craytab said:
Wait, is that extortion? I'm not clear on the definition.
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It's not extortion. More like insider trading if you're anti; or if you're plus you say it's just good business.

Not being a traditional fan I haven't studied it extensively. From the sound of it though there are some folks out there taking advantage of club access to soak up limited items and then resell them on here.

Skipping over the whole membership level issue the idea of any special access I've ever had was that it was for me. If I got a knife it was for me; If I got ten knives they were for me; the intent wasn't for me to be able to sell nine knives while keeping one.

My personal call in this would be not to buy from one of those flippers.

I read these threads as a wake up call for the knife makers who're feeding the system. If the community at large feels that it's wrong and they would like to steer them to a one per customer policy then I'll lend my voice to their side.

And for the folks who currently have the inside line and feel that the status quo should stand they should at least be labled as dealers with all the benefits and obligations that label carries.
 
Pretty much any hobby is going to have its resellers if there is a level of collectability. There are people who live off reselling Jordan Sneakers .
 
Danke42 said:
It's not extortion. More like insider trading if you're anti; or if you're plus you say it's just good business. ...

I read these threads as a wake up call for the knife makers who're feeding the system. If the community at large feels that it's wrong and they would like to steer them to a one per customer policy then I'll lend my voice to their side.

And for the folks who currently have the inside line and feel that the status quo should stand they should at least be labled as dealers with all the benefits and obligations that label carries.
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I don't think there is a "pro" or "anti." Unless one is "pro" or "anti" an entire socio-economic system. Its not just something about flipping knives.

Though I will go back to a point I made earlier, if one is going to blame a party, then why not the manufacturers who create this market by doing limited runs? Aren't they, in effect, the source of the whole "problem"?

As for membership levels, it seems like several large-scale, serial flippers have been called out for it here and forced to become Dealers or leave. Which, I think is the right thing to do based on the rules here.
 
Supply and demand, it all works itself out as long as it's allowed to operate within the structure of free market Capitalism, and the exchange here would be nothing less than true free market Capitalism!!

Also, to add to Marcinek's point about the manufactures, they cause this, they do it on purpose.
It bring them attention within the community, look what it's done for ZT, who is by far the worst offender.

Still, you really need to care about (MUST HAVE that knife) to have an issue with it.....
 
It's up to the buyer to spend wisely. Nobody can get wealthy selling a few limited production knives, even at inflated prices. The market is too vast, and the are too many good deals right here on the forums.
 
Hmm, I guess I'm the only one buying up and building cheap current glut AR's (and magazines and ammo) to sell after the election to fund a pool for my backyard. I do feel guilty, but a guys gotta live.

Limited editions are only worth what someone will pay and if that is 100-200+% markup, then more power to the buyer for having the money, and the seller for having the goods to provide.
 
There's no Kinship or loyalty when it comes to buying and selling. Just sit tight, your price will come around.
 
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