No, you are NOT a knife seller

leghog said:
Like you said "non essential items like a limited run knife" --- so it's neither profiteering nor enabling profiteering. If you don't like the price, don't pay the price. It's not a must-have item.
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It is the definition of profiteering.

Profiteering definition, a person who seeks or exacts exorbitant profits, especially through the sale of scarce or rationed goods
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only works with limited availability items. Like I said, it's scummy but nobody is being forced to buy.
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
It is the definition of profiteering.



only works with limited availability items. Like I said, it's scummy but nobody is being forced to buy.
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I say more power to anyone who can gain as much profit as possible from any LUXURY item. Ain't the free market grand!
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
It is the definition of profiteering.
only works with limited availability items. Like I said, it's scummy but nobody is being forced to buy.
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Limited availability items like fresh water in disaster zone or food during famine, not luxury items like knives.
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
Profiteering on luxury items is the legal variety of the same act. Scummy doesn't mean illegal
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It is not the same thing at all. People make a profit at their hobby all the time. It doesn't matter if it is knives, watches, cars, art, etc. People that do their homework, buy at the right time, at the right price, are not "scummy" if they sell for a profit. People that have a problem with others that make a profit usually fall into the scummy category, if you ask me.
 
pwrdbycotn said:
It is not the same thing at all. People make a profit at their hobby all the time. It doesn't matter if it is knives, watches, cars, art, etc. People that do their homework, buy at the right time, at the right price, are not "scummy" if they sell for a profit. People that have a problem with others that make a profit usually fall into the scummy category, if you ask me.
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If you think profiteering is the way to go, that's ok with me. It doesn't change the definition.
 
gonebad395 said:
Then don't buy it if ya don't like it. Seems like everyone gets a trophy mentality has rubbed off a lot in today's society.
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pwrdbycotn said:
It is not the same thing at all. It doesn't matter if it is knives, watches, cars, art, etc. People that do their homework, buy at the right time, at the right price, are not "scummy" if they sell for a profit.
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^^ +1

Rat Finkenstein said:
If you think profiteering is the way to go, that's ok with me. It doesn't change the definition.
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"The" definition? What I think that you meant to say: it doesn't change "my" definition.

Fortunately, Spark has the last word, regarding the way he runs his forum. If someone doesn't like the sale price of something listed here, then don't buy it. How difficult is that?
 
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KELAMA said:
^^ +1



"The" definition? What I think that you meant to say: it doesn't change "my" definition.

Fortunately, Spark has the last word, regarding the way he runs his forum. If you don't like the sale price of something listed here, then don't buy it. How difficult is that?
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The definition. It's in the dictionary. How difficult is that?
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
For non essential items like a limited run knife, the buyers being foolish enough to overpay enables profiteering.
If someone has hoarded/is charging $20 per bottle of water in a disaster, they should take a quick dirt nap.
:confused: ^
Taking advantage of people desperate for one reason or another isn't always illegal, but it is always scummy. I make it a point to never deal with them.
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^ Key word, Rat: "scummy." You seem to have added your own personal adjective to the definition of "profiteering." ^^^

v Regardless, I think that n850gt, hit the nail on the head, regarding your rather ridiculous analogy (bolded in your quote).

n850gt said:
Using "profiteering" to describe making money on scarce knife is a bit melodramatic. There is no immediate need for a knife. Despite what the voice in my head tells me when it comes time for a ZT LE release, I won't just, like, die if I miss out on the release. I've also paid the higher-than-MSRP asking price for scarce knives without blinking.

I try to make money on my the sales of my knives when possible. I more often lose money or simply don't sell my stuff. Oh well.

The quasi-socialist rhetoric displayed by some here is fundamentally flawed. In order for knife makers to subsist off their products, they have to profit off you (me) as knife buyers. Resellers are entitled to profit as well if there is opportunity.

ETA: I guess what I'm saying is, the price a knife will sell for will never be more than the market can/will bear.
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Rat Finkenstein said:
The definition. It's in the dictionary. How difficult is that?
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^ Evidently, it's difficult for some people. :D
 
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Rat Finkenstein said:
The definition. It's in the dictionary. How difficult is that?
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Fundamentally incorrect. The definition is in regards to necessities for human survival, not luxury items that are for filling ones safe. Just because dictionary.com gives you a basic definition that seems generalized doesn't mean it fits the use you intend for it.

noun:
one who makes what is considered an unreasonable profit especially on the sale of essential goods during times of emergency.
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Who gets to decide, outside of emergency situations, what "unreasonable profits" are? Therein lies the issue.

To answer, the market does. Not one's personal feelings. If the market of buyers and sellers will bear the price one wishes to charge, the price and associated profit are valid and not, "profiteering."
 
Maybe there should be a new membership level for flippers. They sure don't "think" they're dealers. Even when they are.
 
AntDog said:
Maybe there should be a new membership level for flippers. They sure don't "think" they're dealers. Even when they are.
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^ You can take all the shots you guys want...then go back in the W&C, cry about it, & back slap, like your all known to do. Most people don't take any of your seriously, anyway.

FWIW: Unlike a few people here, I joined BladeForums, to enjoy this hobby (knives). I've purchased a lot of knives on this forum in my 3 years here, & sold half as many. Ask anyone here who I've sold a knife to: this has been a very expensive hobby/enterprise, one that I've spent (lost) a lot of money enjoying. Check this evening sales thread out. That Marfioni MT I just sold; I sold that for $200 less than I have in it.

Are you inferring that I & many other knife enthusiast (the ones that are actually on this forum to buy/sell knives), should be paying for a "Dealer" membership, when most everything we sell, is at a loss? :rolleyes:
 
KELAMA said:
^ You can take all the shots you guys want...then go back in the W&C, cry about it, & back slap, like your all known to do. Most people don't take any of your seriously, anyway.

FWIW: Unlike a few people here, I joined BladeForums, to enjoy this hobby (knives). I've purchased a lot of knives on this forum in my 3 years here, & sold half as many. Ask anyone here who I've sold a knife to: this has been a very expensive hobby/enterprise, one that I've spent (lost) a lot of money enjoying. Check this evening sales thread out. That Marfioni MT I just sold; I sold that for $200 less than I have in it.

Are you inferring that I & many other knife enthusiast (the ones that are actually on this forum to buy/sell knives), should be paying for a "Dealer" membership, when most everything we sell, is at a loss? :rolleyes:
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trevitrace said:
Ding.
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^ I rest my case. You guys are so predictable! Where's the rest of the Calvary? :D
 
n850gt said:
Fundamentally incorrect. The definition is in regards to necessities for human survival, not luxury items that are for filling ones safe. Just because dictionary.com gives you a basic definition that seems generalized doesn't mean it fits the use you intend for it.



Who gets to decide, outside of emergency situations, what "unreasonable profits" are? Therein lies the issue.

To answer, the market does. Not one's personal feelings. If the market of buyers and sellers will bear the price one wishes to charge, the price and associated profit are valid and not, "profiteering."
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Luckily for all of us, your opinion doesn't redefine the term.

Rat Finkenstein said:
Profiteering definition, a person who seeks or exacts exorbitant profits, especially through the sale of scarce or rationed goods
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KELAMA said:
^ You can take all the shots you guys want...then go back in the W&C, cry about it, & back slap, like your all known to do. Most people don't take any of your seriously, anyway.

FWIW: Unlike a few people here, I joined BladeForums, to enjoy this hobby (knives). I've purchased a lot of knives on this forum in my 3 years here, & sold half as many. Ask anyone here who I've sold a knife to: this has been a very expensive hobby/enterprise, one that I've spent (lost) a lot of money enjoying. Check this evening sales thread out. That Marfioni MT I just sold; I sold that for $200 less than I have in it.

Are you inferring that I & many other knife enthusiast (the ones that are actually on this forum to buy/sell knives), should be paying for a "Dealer" membership, when most everything we sell, is at a loss? :rolleyes:
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I'm not referring to people who enjoy buying and selling knives as a hobby. Not everything is about YOU. I used the term "flippers" for a reason.

Flippers who buy limited editions, then sell them at double, triple, or more to enrich their pockets are not hobbyists. They are dealers. Dealers of opportunity.

If you have a bone to pick with me, have at it. My pm box is cleaned out and waiting.
 
Traditionally, "profiteering" refers to essential items, which of course is not the case of this discussion. The act of selling items for profit, here, may at times seem like "profiteering," but that's not how the law, or government, or business looks at it. An item may be scarce, but a knife, as we are discussing here, is not essential. If somebody can acquire a knife and find a buyer willing to pay double or triple the price, then good for them . It's not a fair World.

I have no problem with someone thinking that this is a scummy act. Everyone has the right to their opinion. Those flippers who whose only contribution to this Forum is to consistently charge what I consider excessive profit, are people I avoid. If someone is willing to pay two to three times the MSRP, then I say good for them. I just wish we could have a serious discussion without devolving into rancor. It's not a fair World. Never was.
 
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