No, you are NOT a knife seller

[gonebad395]

I think it's a perfectly acceptable use of the word. The implied threat is that the customer won't get the product without paying over-inflated prices. Does it meet the legal/criminal level, probably not. Does anyone who's ever who's been the victim of such practices know exactly what I mean, yes.

It's too easy to just blame the people who are simply trying to buy something they value and desire. We all know it's just greed to jack up prices in the manner described, or at least we should know.

Anger where it's deserved, frustration where it's deserved.

Not even close to the right use of the word no one is being threatened not even close. This comment reminds me of the over used word bully so many times uncalled for but a easy cop out

 

[marcinek]

Hmm, I guess I'm the only one buying up and building cheap current glut AR's (and magazines and ammo) to sell after the election to fund a pool for my backyard. I do feel guilty, but a guys gotta live.

What does "the election" have to do with any of it?

 

[Spartan00]

OP you ever been to a knife show ? Makers lotto off their knives for usually fairly reasonable prices for their work.

There are people that what beside the tables or in the door of the room of the lotto catching lotto winners to make them cash offers on their winnings .

Let's say an rj Martin . His table price used to be about 575 or 550 for a custom knife at the table , by the time that knife hits the net it's 2k and it will sell fast .

Custom Emersons are 550 iirc good look finding one under a grand anywhere . It's how it works

I'd love to get a few knives that are hard to come by . I'll check the makers website and if I get a chance to order one I will. If I want it bad enough then my wallet will let me know if I can have it or not .

Thing is people get bent out of shape over this markup on production sprints. For around the same amount some of these sprints go have a maker make you a knife from the steel . You can get it tuned to how you want it .

I have a dollar figure I will not go over on a production knife . If a production is over that mark I just look at the materials that interest me and start looking at custom makers .

The people that flip knives personally if I want it bad enough I'll get it .First choice is always to get a dealer exclusive from the dealer and I'll say this . As far as spyderco goes if I've wanted a exclusive or sprint I've never missed out .

They are posted where they are and I've always got my preorder in no problem . You just haft to stay on it

 

[cigarrodog]

In my experience, I've learned to be patient when looking for a desired knife. Flippers and scarcity have almost always been overcome by waiting patiently for the right opportunity. I heartily recommend becoming fully engaged in the community, instead of being frustrated by that which you have no control. In the past few months, by connecting with others, I'ved acquired two yearned for customs, without being scalped. As Mick Jagger once said: "If you try sometime, you just might find, you get what you need."

 

[leghog]

I've been seeing a lot of knives pop up in the exchange recently that were purchased from a legit online retailer, then marked up a couple hundred dollars by a forum member. Can't prove it, but c'mon. MAYBE its buyers remorse, and they're just trying to flip it, but its a disturbing trend. Don't ruin our chance to own a limited production knife because you want to make a quick buck, and price gouge the community in the process.

Does anyone think this is OK? Obviously its legal and allowed, but is it ethical? Am I just too easily annoyed? Probably. Thank you for reading, have a great day.

I don't see the issue here. No one is being forced to buy the knives this individual is selling or flipping, nor are they forced to pay his prices.

That said, it's no so much that a fool and his money are soon parted, but that a fool and his money were probably lucky to have ever met in the first place.

If you don't want to pay the price asked, don't.

 

[leghog]

Hmm, I guess I'm the only one buying up and building cheap current glut AR's (and magazines and ammo) to sell after the election to fund a pool for my backyard. I do feel guilty, but a guys gotta live.

Limited editions are only worth what someone will pay and if that is 100-200+% markup, then more power to the buyer for having the money, and the seller for having the goods to provide.

After the December 2012 Sandy Hook tragedy, I was using .22LR cartridges to fund firearms purchases. I was called a gouger and hoarder. Sometimes by the very men who wanted to buy my ammo. To those I then politely refused to sell to them. Some of them figured it out. Some didn't. Regardless of what some called me, I preferred to just think of myself as prepared. The winter and spring of 2013 were very productive from me in gun collecting. Stock up now while the gettin's good. It'll pay off again soon enough.

NO ONE HAS TO PAY THE PRICE BEING ASKED, but don't refuse to pay the price then whine that you can't get the product.

 

[trevitrace]

After the December 2012 Sandy Hook tragedy, I was using .22LR cartridges to fund firearms purchases. I was called a gouger and hoarder. Sometimes by the very men who wanted to buy my ammo. To those I then politely refused to sell to them. Some of them figured it out. Some didn't. Regardless of what some called me, I preferred to just think of myself as prepared. The winter and spring of 2013 were very productive from me in gun collecting. Stock up now while the gettin's good. It'll pay off again soon enough.

NO ONE HAS TO PAY THE PRICE BEING ASKED, but don't refuse to pay the price then whine that you can't get the product.

You're the one with all the .22 ammo, huh? Thanks.

 

[powernoodle]

Does anyone think this is OK?

I do.

If I buy a knife, with my money, that I have earned, and that I found by searching the forums and interweb, then I can do anything I dang well please with it. I can use it, hoard it, throw it in the garbage, give it away, or offer it on eBay for 9x what I paid for it. That's because its my knife and not yours.

Now, I have never flipped a knife for profit. But it would be completely moral and ethical for me to do so. What is not ethical is for some whiny crybaby (not talking about you, brother tinder) to tell me what he thinks I can and cannot do with my knife. Its just like these knuckleheads who tell everyone else to be a vegan or what to drive or what kind of lightbulb they can buy. Sad little hall monitors.

Here's the deal. If a guy wants a limited edition knife, he can put in the time and effort to study it on Bladeforums, to find out which vendor will offer it for sale, and so on. Put in the effort, and buy the dang knife with your own money and via your own effort. If someone beats you to it, that's because you didn't put in the effort. Tough teabags. But don't then be a whiny crybaby and start telling other people what they can or cannot do with their knives.

I'm speaking in the abstract, and not about anyone in this thread. But this thing comes up regularly, and usually after someone didn't get the sprint run Spyderco he wanted, after which he cries about it and blames everyone else.

I've just figured out that my posts have become so good that they are taking up too much room in the Bladeforums Hall of Perfection. So I'm going to start making them less good for a while, so that others will have a fair chance.

 

[Spartan00]

Just some advice to people that keep missing out on sprints , I'll let you know how I've always got the ones I wanted .

Let's say Spyderco , they have a page on their site telling the sprints and dealer exclusives or its announced on a forum .

When it was announced I went to the dealer page and bookmarked it in my browser. I kept a check on any updates from the dealer or Spyderco on the dealer page and the forums , I literally checked the page everyday ,not that big a deal to look at a website daily or a couple times a day when it gets closer we do it on here FWIW.

Go ahead and have your PayPal funds ready or your CC numbers stored in an auto fill for chrome that way when they go live you check out as soon as possible .

Same with premium order exclusives do your research bookmark your dealers and check them often . If you do this and still miss out well consider it not meant to be

 

[Danke42]

Seems to me like current sprints are plentiful. The only problem is there are too many different ones!

This seems to be more about GEC and the SFO knives. That would be the most common thread I've seen popping up here. I did look at 2 of the GEC dealers from on here and they're bulging with knives. I guess the wrong ones? I'm still struggling to figure out the traditional thing.

 

[THEJimmyN]

If it sells for that price, I dont care how much they got it for. Its supply and demand, so if they were able to grab it for less and end up selling it for more, thats just how it is. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Fanglekai]

This is a hobby not a necessity. If you have one good knife you have enough. Any more is a luxury.

 

[leghog]

You're the one with all the .22 ammo, huh? Thanks.

I have some. I re-order when I get down to two bricks/10,000 cartridges. Plenty is available now. I suggest you stock up now and be prepared. No reason to keep relearning the same lesson.

 

[bdmicarta]

Probably the most accurate word for this is "profiteering". I think it is somewhat low-life, but there is a lot of low-life stuff in the world. People can buy a knife and sell it for whatever someone else will pay. Maybe it is just making profit, maybe it is like selling bottled water for $20 and plywood for $100 after a hurricane hits. It's all supply and demand but the government deems some of it to be illegal.

I've watched the sales of sprints for awhile but I've never been able to buy one. What the retailers seem to do now is to receive a batch of knives and put them for sale on their website in the morning, and they sell out in minutes or an hour. Unfortunately I work all day and have no access to the internet until after 5:00 worst case or during my lunch hour on a few days. I've never been able to buy a limited edition knife that way. I did have a pre-order for a limited edition knife and ultimately received a "dear john" letter. But yet I see people buy them and immediately sell them for $100 or more profit. This is one thing but they make up a story like "I forgot I ordered this knife and now that it arrived I can't keep it" even if they just ordered it 3 days earlier by staying home all day and checking the website ever 5 minutes. Or maybe these people don't have jobs and they live in their parents basement and have nothing better to do.

I've been collecting knives for a long time. 15 or 20 years ago this was a lot more honorable business. It is completely cutthroat now, and a lot of sellers have no honor or integrity. I'm an enthusiast in it for fun and enjoyment, they are in it strictly for the money.

I have my own price range and am priced out of most of the limited editions that get marked up. I look for something else to buy.

Oh and you won't find any .22LR available in my part of the state. I've noticed that big stores don't even save a blank spot on a shelf for it anymore. They all tell me that they don't know when if ever they will receive any so they switched the shelf space to other product.

 

[leghog]

Probably the most accurate word for this is "profiteering".

Profit is a wonderful thing. I wish I could profit on every single transaction I make. I've never profited on a knife. A few I have traded, but nearly every knife I've let slip through my hands and out of my collection, I gave away.

Profiteering harkens to making excessive/unfair profit for life's necessities. .22LR cartridges or yet another knife certainly don't qualify.

Oh and you won't find any .22LR available in my part of the state. I've noticed that big stores don't even save a blank spot on a shelf for it anymore. They all tell me that they don't know when if ever they will receive any so they switched the shelf space to other product.

Buy it online. It's available and really has been the best way to buy .22LR cartridges for the last several years. Not only is it cheaper that way, some dealers ship free to your front porch when buying a case.

 

[Spartan00]

There's a certain banned bladeforums ex scumbag that does rub me the wrong way , he's long gone but he was mentioned in this thread ,now people like him just with his back story IIRC buying a collection from a Veteran in need then turning a profit with some shady dealings in between those guys I avoid like the plague .

Just recently I found my collection of trading cards I had as a child .

I've had some folks appraise some things I have and I'm fortunate I'll say that .

It kind of ties into this as well. I decided to put a few of my pieces up for sale a few days ago fully aware of the value of my items . The number of emails I got from people that deal in cards literally overwhelmed me my phone went off about a minute straight with emails.

Out of all those inquires 99% of these dealers downplayed my items ,lowballed me and insulted me to be honost. The couple of buyers that were honost with me we did business and everybody won IMHO. It's the same as in knives some people buy knives to sit on them and wait for the value to go up, is that wrong?

Is it wrong that I could pay for my daughter's college with a trading card collection that back in the day the packs of cards were a few bucks? The buyers that wanted my stuff think so ...

 

[Rat Finkenstein]

For non essential items like a limited run knife, the buyers being foolish enough to overpay enables profiteering.
If someone has hoarded/is charging $20 per bottle of water in a disaster, they should take a quick dirt nap.

Taking advantage of people desperate for one reason or another isn't always illegal, but it is always scummy. I make it a point to never deal with them.

 

[n850gt]

Using "profiteering" to describe making money on scarce knife is a bit melodramatic. There is no immediate need for a knife. Despite what the voice in my head tells me when it comes time for a ZT LE release, I won't just, like, die if I miss out on the release. I've also paid the higher-than-MSRP asking price for scarce knives without blinking.

I try to make money on my the sales of my knives when possible. I more often lose money or simply don't sell my stuff. Oh well.

The quasi-socialist rhetoric displayed by some here is fundamentally flawed. In order for knife makers to subsist off their products, they have to profit off you (me) as knife buyers. Resellers are entitled to profit as well if there is opportunity.

ETA: I guess what I'm saying is, the price a knife will sell for will never be more than the market can/will bear.

 

[leghog]

For non essential items like a limited run knife, the buyers being foolish enough to overpay enables profiteering.
If someone has hoarded/is charging $20 per bottle of water in a disaster, they should take a quick dirt nap.

Taking advantage of people desperate for one reason or another isn't always illegal, but it is always scummy. I make it a point to never deal with them.

Like you said "non essential items like a limited run knife" --- so it's neither profiteering nor enabling profiteering. If you don't like the price, don't pay the price. It's not a must-have item.

 

[hhmoore]

An occasional sale like that doesn't bother me...it's when you see people doing it on at least a semi-regular basis. Even then, it doesn't bother me so much that they're flipping knives for profit; but rather that they're doing so without the appropriate membership.