No ZT for me sorry

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I've never spine whacked a knife and never plan too. I will also never baton wood with a knife unless I'm in a desperate situation, it is my only blade and I don't have an axe.

The videos showing people abusing knives has grown old on me. Knives have a specific function. Axes have a specific function. So do hammers. When I see people abusing knives I often wonder what they would do in a real bugout situation. Are they really going to NOT take an axe with them if they have time to prep before they walk out the door, and they are going to baton wood for fire with their only knife?

People, buy an axe already!
 
Lapedog said:
Edit: the length of the actual lockbar will also increase the likelihood of lockrock. The Spyderco Tuff apparently experienced more likelyhood of lockrock due to the lockbar arm being very short. This means that the hypothetical arc of motion the lockbar would draw as it wears in is much tighter and therefor more likely to pull away from the tang’s lockface.
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That's a bit of geometry that I hadn't considered but it makes perfect sense.
 
not2sharp said:
The old saying about the difference between a 2x4 and a 4x4 is that a 4x4 will get you stuck deeper in the middle of nowhere. We all know that we are not supposed to apply pressure to back of the blade, especially with a folding knife. Having confidence in your lock can only encourage you, to the kind of behavior that may put your digits at greater risk.

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That 2x4 vs 4x4 is very true.
 
not2sharp said:
The old saying about the difference between a 2x4 and a 4x4 is that a 4x4 will get you stuck deeper in the middle of nowhere. We all know that we are not supposed to apply pressure to back of the blade, especially with a folding knife. Having confidence in your lock can only encourage you, to the kind of behavior that may put your digits at greater risk.

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Yeah , but a 4x4 will get you places a 2x2 can't - and back home again if you respect it's limitations . And some folders will survive hard use that others won't .
 
DocJD said:
Yeah , but a 4x4 will get you places a 2x2 can't - and back home again if you respect it's limitations . And some folders will survive hard use that others won't .
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My 4X4 sometimes won't back up in my newly graveled drive until I click it on auto and the front tires kick in. Without 4x4 it would keep on digging the back tires in deeper.
 
4x4 over 2x4 any day of the week. Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it. That's the way I see lockbar inserts....
 
Only knife to fail outta mine is the 0620 but I did whack it pretty hard bc it felt like it wanted to slip out with the light ones
 
My only problem with any ZT is that my 0900 has too thick of an edge for a small pocket knife, but the knife itself works flawlessly. All makers release duds, return them and explain the problem. All ZTs are in the upper end of factory knife pricing. The last thing they want is a reputation for unhappy customers.
 
MSchott said:
I'm not a hard user of my knives and the ZT's cut cardboard, zip ties, food, etc without issue.
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ZT designs seem to be made to handle other tasks, otherwise they could build them with the cross-sectional blade geometry of an Opinel and they would do every one of these tasks much better.

From the ZT homepage:

Designed and manufactured to stand up to heavy-duty use, Zero Tolerance Knives are built of premium materials. The knives have earned a reputation among their devoted fans as being a "real beast" or even being—proudly—"overbuilt".
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I've read many such discussions over the years and I can't reconcile:
  • The marketing as quoted above
  • Reviews about such knives on this forum talking about the strength, solid lockup, hard use capabilities, etc.
  • Every time somebody uses such a knife for something harder than dicing an onion, and has a problem, often with the lock, there are a lot of responses along the lines of "a knife is made for cutting, you're using it wrong".
Never once have I read an explanation of why a knife blade should be thicker than an Opinels' if all it should ever be used for is cutting...

For what use case(s) is the average ZT folding knife design optimized for?
 
sXePhenomenal said:
Only knife to fail outta mine is the 0620 but I did whack it pretty hard bc it felt like it wanted to slip out with the light ones
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My 620cf was failing very light spinewhacks. I took the knife apart and bent the lockbar slightly inward and that completely eliminated the problem. Now it will survive firm spine whacks. I usually don’t do hard spinewhacks because I can often tell how the knife is reacting to spine taps if the lock is going to fail or not.
 
steff27 said:
ZT designs seem to be made to handle other tasks, otherwise they could build them with the cross-sectional blade geometry of an Opinel and they would do every one of these tasks much better.

From the ZT homepage:



I've read many such discussions over the years and I can't reconcile:
  • The marketing as quoted above
  • Reviews about such knives on this forum talking about the strength, solid lockup, hard use capabilities, etc.
  • Every time somebody uses such a knife for something harder than dicing an onion, and has a problem, often with the lock, there are a lot of responses along the lines of "a knife is made for cutting, you're using it wrong".
Never once have I read an explanation of why a knife blade should be thicker than an Opinels' if all it should ever be used for is cutting...

For what use case(s) is the average ZT folding knife design optimized for?
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It’s optimum use is draining your bank account.
 
Lapedog said:
It’s optimum use is draining your bank account.
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But first they have to convince me to spend my money. Wait, maybe I can find some motivation here: https://zt.kaiusaltd.com/testimonials

If I had to walk into a battle for my life and had only one knife to choose to defend myself, it would be a ZT knife!
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attacked by a pit bull! Thanks to our ZT 350 we Survived
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Any tips for practicing self defence with a knife without ever putting pressure on the blade spine?

I broke the tip off of my latest EDC... The fact that the 560 survived the task that did in my previous blade makes this knife a winner.
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Maybe they are built for prying. Do they advertise this more clearly somewhere?

This knife is built like a freaking tank.
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How can I use this to my advantage in my daily use of a ZT knife?
 
steff27 said:
But first they have to convince me to spend my money. Wait, maybe I can find some motivation here: https://zt.kaiusaltd.com/testimonials





Any tips for practicing self defence with a knife without ever putting pressure on the blade spine?



Maybe they are built for prying. Do they advertise this more clearly somewhere?



How can I use this to my advantage in my daily use of a ZT knife?
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Defence? I think you could remove a fence with a ZT, as long as you aren't spine-whacking.

In fact, if you were to need to use your knife in DEFENSE, as long as you used the cutting edge as your leading assault, instead of the spine, I think you would be fine.

Live by the snark....etc.

best

mqqn
 
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