Not impressed with my first Becker

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I guess stabbing a tree when not using it is better than stabbing your dog when not using it...trust me. Damn I miss my dog :(
 
stabbing a living tree, and opening the inner bark to infection is probably good cause for the tree to make your knife tip dull.

that said, stabbing anything harder than flesh? well, that's kinda silly. don't stab trees. don't stick knives in benches. if you're done, you put it in your sheath.

just sayin' :)

glad you didn't have the most impressive first outing. "now you know". sharpen it. tighten the bolts, lock them if you want, use saran or plastic wrap as a non chemical locking method; or use clear nail polish, or real lock tite, or ...
 
tradewater said:
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oguruma said:
I call BS on this. A person spends his hard-earned money on a fixed blade which are touted as being some of the toughest on the market, and HE is at fault when the hardware comes loose because he didn't check it? Can a person reasonable be expected to check every single aspect of his equipment before he sets off? Do you check the each individual stitch on your backpack before you leave? Do you check the torque on every single lug nut on your brand new car? Do you measure the tensile strength of your shoelaces? My guess is no. You spend a good amount of money on what is supposed to be a quality piece of kit, and expect it to work.

This fanboyism "our chosen brand can do no wrong, so when it fails it must be your fault" crap is getting old.
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my motorcycle manual says that i am responsible for making sure my bike is in good order, including checking for all loose bolts, correct torque, and tire pressures as well.

same for my bicycle. if i fail these checks, i can get hurt, badly, or die.

it sucks this happened to him, but on the other hand, yeah, i would expect many a person to check.

shoelaces don't have adjustments ;)
 
Chameleonbear said:
Making sure your equipment and gear is going to work is YOUR responsibility. That is why guys who jump pack their own chutes, guys who go scuba diving check their tanks. It is YOUR responsibility to check.
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You're right, the manufacturer of my knives has no responsibility to ensure that the product will function as intended :rolleyes:
 
oguruma said:
You're right, the manufacturer of my knives has no responsibility to ensure that the product will function as intended :rolleyes:
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...And hard use field knives should use loose scales held in place by allen bolts to diminish the possibility of thightening it down with a common SAK or multi-tool.

n2s
 
oguruma said:
I call BS on this. A person spends his hard-earned money on a fixed blade which are touted as being some of the toughest on the market, and HE is at fault when the hardware comes loose because he didn't check it? Can a person reasonable be expected to check every single aspect of his equipment before he sets off? Do you check the each individual stitch on your backpack before you leave? Do you check the torque on every single lug nut on your brand new car? Do you measure the tensile strength of your shoelaces? My guess is no. You spend a good amount of money on what is supposed to be a quality piece of kit, and expect it to work.

This fanboyism "our chosen brand can do no wrong, so when it fails it must be your fault" crap is getting old.
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Thread lock down in 5...4...3...2...

JK. Seriously though dude, troll much?
 
oguruma said:
You're right, the manufacturer of my knives has no responsibility to ensure that the product will function as intended :rolleyes:
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What function is that? Cut stuff? He said it did. He didn't like how it looked but it did cut. That is the whole function of a knife. Anything more than that is bonus.

Yes I am a fan of Becker knives. Cause for me, I've only had GOOD experiences. Not only with the knives, but also the people.

If he is REALLY that unhappy with the knife, or if he REALLY thinks it was in some way defective. Call Ka-Bar. Their customer service is on point.
 
oguruma said:
You're right, the manufacturer of my knives has no responsibility to ensure that the product will function as intended :rolleyes:
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They DO have a responsibilty. So do the owners who don't seem to understand that when THEY BEAT ON A KNIFE BLADE that the vibration JUST MIGHT make the handle bolts loose. Get a CLUE Sherlock. Do you want a 911 hotline for folks who cannot figure out what LOCTITE is for?

Such use would would do the SAME thing to an Esee, Ontario- RAT, Ranger, BlackBird of ANY other knife brand that uses removable handle bolts and coated blades. Or even Busse with a coated blade.
 
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I wish we could have seen the kind of wear on the coating the OP described, because if it did flake and crack, that does sound very different than the kind of wear the coating on my Beckers show after batoning. He described his friend's Ka-Bar Bowie as showing the kind of wear I am used to seeing, a slow "rubbing" off, so it's not like he doesn't know the difference.

That said, there's no telling from anything I've read here if the friend's Bowie was a newer model like his 7 would be, or if it had a completely different coating on it than the 7. I would guess that if they were of the same relative production era, the coatings would be the same or similar, no? Or are there completely different coatings applied to Ka-Bars and Beckers from the same factory within the same time-periods? It would surprise me if there were, but hey, I've been surprised before. Also, was the Bowie used a lot for batoning? Its wear patterns should be expected to be quite different if it was not.

Ah well, the coating is now gone, he's gotten some good advice about not stabbing trees, and that should solve the tip-dulling problem. I'm sure the handle is now good and secure too. Sometimes it just takes a little while to warm up to the Becker mystique. I'll bet it won't take any longer than clear-cutting your first (of many) 10-acre stand of trees and building a log cabin where they used to stand all with that one BK7, that you'll swear by the Becker brand! :D

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Mine wore off in flakes too, and about half of it was gone within 20 baton splits. That's ok though, it looks better now:

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Chameleonbear said:
What function is that? Cut stuff? He said it did. He didn't like how it looked but it did cut. That is the whole function of a knife. Anything more than that is bonus.

Yes I am a fan of Becker knives. Cause for me, I've only had GOOD experiences. Not only with the knives, but also the people.

If he is REALLY that unhappy with the knife, or if he REALLY thinks it was in some way defective. Call Ka-Bar. Their customer service is on point.
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LOL. Yeah my products not falling apart is just a bonus... So long as the knife cuts the manufacturer has fulfilled their end of the bargain.

My point is this: the manufacturer probably jacked up somewhere. Unless the scales are esigned to come loose through continued use, which I doubt since none of my Beckers had this problem and I have thumped on them pretty hard. Blaming the end user for not taking a torque wrench to the bolts to verify they are set at factory specs is an indicator of fanboyism in my opinion. I bet input would be different if it was a cheap chinese made blade whose manufacturer didn't have a subforum on BF.
 
oguruma said:
LOL. Yeah my products not falling apart is just a bonus... So long as the knife cuts the manufacturer has fulfilled their end of the bargain.

My point is this: the manufacturer probably jacked up somewhere. Unless the scales are esigned to come loose through continued use, which I doubt since none of my Beckers had this problem and I have thumped on them pretty hard. Blaming the end user for not taking a torque wrench to the bolts to verify they are set at factory specs is an indicator of fanboyism in my opinion. I bet input would be different if it was a cheap chinese made blade whose manufacturer didn't have a subforum on BF.
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Dude, when it comes down to it, any piece of gear that you are going to trust your life with on an expedition into the wild like a knife or stove or backpack really should be given a final inspection BY YOU before you head out. Anyone that does not do that shows signs of carelessness and an ineptitude for self reliance. Now where is a mod to close this thread before it turns into a troll bashing smash fest?
 
RogueBowie said:
Dude, when it comes down to it, any piece of gear that you are going to trust your life with on an expedition into the wild like a knife or stove or backpack really should be given a final inspection BY YOU before you head out. Anyone that does not do that shows signs of carelessness and an ineptitude for self reliance. Now where is a mod to close this thread before it turns into a troll bashing smash fest?
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Alright, but if a flaw is found, that is still the fault of the manuacturer isn't it?
 
I am not trying to stir the shit pot any more but I would consider making sure the knife scales are tightened down as basic knife maintenance just like sharpening the edge. Should you have to do it right out of the box.........probably not but sometimes it happens. Being a knife owner you should know how to properly maintain your knife. So when the need arises it is not a problem. Clearly the OP knows how to tighten some screws and sharpen the edge so I see no problem.
 
oguruma said:
I call BS on this. A person spends his hard-earned money on a fixed blade which are touted as being some of the toughest on the market, and HE is at fault when the hardware comes loose because he didn't check it? Can a person reasonable be expected to check every single aspect of his equipment before he sets off? Do you check the each individual stitch on your backpack before you leave? Do you check the torque on every single lug nut on your brand new car? Do you measure the tensile strength of your shoelaces? My guess is no. You spend a good amount of money on what is supposed to be a quality piece of kit, and expect it to work.

This fanboyism "our chosen brand can do no wrong, so when it fails it must be your fault" crap is getting old.
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Before this gets locked -

IF (if) the handle came loose with "one swing", it would have happened before he went out, IF he'd checked his gear. (duh)

And not for nothing, but anyone who is REALLY going out for 2 weeks and doesn't try brand new gear first is ... (insert adjective)

Serious, that "supose to work" is great in the office, but when your life is literally depending on it, you best make sure.

And nothing "failed" here, just seems like a lot of user error.

JMHO
 
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