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We do not know the whole story behind Danelle leaving Spyderco. There are often two sides to every story. Will I stop buying Spyderco knives because one person doesn't work there anymore? Of course not. Spyderco makes an excellent product and they stand behind it. They made an excellent product before danelle and they will continue to make one after. Will I miss her? Of course. But I think it is ludicrous to take sides when we have no information. And I really dont want any because I feel that it isn't any of my business. Sal seems to be a very fair man. He is also the CEO of a corporation and the bottom line is that he wouldn't do anything that wouldn't be in Spyderco's best interest and that is how it should be. I think Sal is being more than fair by letting this thread and the other one go on. Anyway I wish Danelle the best and look forward to hearing from her in the future. But lets not rush to judgement.

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Pricing policy--Strike 1!

Michelle calls me an "ELU"--Strike 2!

Danelle is separated, released, terminated, fired, no way to soft pedal it--Strike 3!

And in defference to Danelle, the one that makes me the most upset is "Strike 2!"

I've sold or given away my Spyderco's and won't be buying any more.
 
I'll confess to a growing Spyderco collection, but the ELU thing does bother me a bit too....probably not enough to make it worth their while to change it.

Kinda reminds me of the Eloi in the "Time Machine"... does that make Spyderco the Morlocks? I'll stop here on that thought.

They're a great company making great products with great workers (and former workers)... the ELU thing seems a bit out of synch by referring to us with an acronym (End Line User) like we're a statistical item on a chow line (are we?)

Sal asked before for opinions on what they're doing right and wrong... and that would be something I'd like to see changed.

Internal use is one thing, but how about referring to us publicly as customers, collectors, fans, enthusiasts... (ELU=Enthusiastic Legions of Users?) It's Friday
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Hey folks lets be rational here. The decision to let an employee go is always a business decision and based on the goals of the company. I have had to let many employees go and had several quit. They are all still friends and each understood exactly why I did what I did.

Nothing personal just business.

The problem here is that an employee of another company made many friends in here. Danelle was funny, to the point and a straight shooter. Heck maybe they let her go because she spent to much time with us knife nuts
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Who knows but the main thing is that Spyderco will still have a presence in here and they will still be active and that is what really counts.

Remember what happened when Mark left Benchmade? Their forum DIED. Why? Because he was the forum and it just has not been the same since. I doubt that will happen here as we have several representatives from Spyderco in here and we have the man himself, Sal who really makes this forum work and I don't think he is going anywhere
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So like each of you I will miss Danelle but we must move on and continue the discussion of Spyderco knives. I am sure she understands and greatly appreciates the heart felt accolades she has received.

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Mike Turber
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Do it! Do it right! Do it right NOW!
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Yes, it's just business. And we are admonished to remember that. Don't think of a company in personal or human terms.

Butt these forums and the "Good, Bad, and Ugly" and Dealer Rating systems are riddled with mention of "He/She treated me with a personal touch" engendering fierce brand/company loyalty.

A company that caters to that "family" image and invites user participation should expect that loyalty to apply not only to its logo and products, butt also its personnel that have projected and embodied that policy.

I had a wonderful tour of Spyderco last month while in Colorado. I know it was not Danelle that made that possible. Butt she was my guide and point person, as much like she was here as she was in person.

I'll miss her in her official capacity, butt hope she maintains the friendships that she has earned.

You are sharp, Danelle.



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People are whining about being called an End Line User? Boy, they must have been fun to play with as kids! It's a marketing name. ELU, customer, consumer. Does it really matter? (I don't consume knives! Whaaaa! Stop calling me that!). It's business. Demographics. Get over it.

I am an ELU. I am also a WASP (although Baptists aren't really protestants), an (ex)COP, a Southerner, an American, a Texan, , a Bubba, a Redneck, and depending on who you ask, a whole slough of BAD names too. Who cares?!? Sal and the bunch can call me a biscuit as long as they keep treating me well, asking my input, and making good knives. (They do all of the above.)

Yes, Danelle will be sorely missed. I have been sorely missed from positions that I have been dismissed from, but the companies survived, and much to my suprise, even prospered.

I'll tell you what my dad told me, "Get your heart off your sleeve and some steel in your groin."
 
Longden - Please don't take it personal. Spyderco has distributor "customers", dealer "customers" and End Line User "customers". the term "customer" became confusing. Consumer sounds less important and somewhat degrding so ELU was coined (fewer key strokes). It's not bad. (Spyderco are not the Morlocks (although we do employ a time machine). BTW, OMO ELU is OK. So just LOL...it's not to cause discomfort.

Bruce - Perhaps there is some confusion.

strike 1 - We do not have any pricing policies. Never did.

strike 2 - You are an ELU...and a human...and a knife nut..and (none of which are bad).

strike 3 - perhaps you should apply to work in our Human Resouces dept. That will give you greater understanding as to what and why we do what we do with personnel. Without that understaning, your "judgement" is both ignorant and unfair.

I'm sorry tht you would choose to boycott Spyderco products, but that is your choice. You are still welcome on the Spyderco forum. All opinions are respected here. Perhaps someday you will change your mind.

sal
 
Boycotts . . . For perspective -

I've been boycotting, as far as I can without becoming a primitive-purist "mountain man," products from the Communist China since illusions of reform were crushed under tank treads in June, 1989. In the process I've probably raised my blood pressure to my detriment, much more than any damage I've done to the enemy.

And there is nothing that Spyderco management or their evil twins could possibly do that would match that evil, and most consumers and business people out there go on with business as usual with the PRC.

If I tried my product choices on my judgements, based on insufficient data, of companies' personnel management actions, what would I find if I delved into what goes on in producing my car, my computer, my shelter, my food, my clothing?

Some of our instinctive reactions to hearing that Danelle is no longer with Spyderco, for reasons which I don't have a need to know, are refreshing evidence that chivilry is not dead. However, if I could be turned away from a company that has had a history of good products and good customer service because they and an employee I liked to deal with have had a parting of the ways, then I would have to make sure I stay away from the web forums or any other interactive communication with all such companies, or else I might have to become a primitive-purist mountain man outside the economy, and I'm too old and slow for that kind of career change.
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I think that we've beat this horse long enough. Let it rest and lets get on with something new and exciting. The decision has been made. The action has been taken and Danelle will bounce back hopefully to another knife company that we like. The worse thing that Sal can do is to backpeddle on his position. Whether we like it or not we have to live with his decision and move on.
He makes the decisions in his company the same as I do in my small business. So lets get over it.

Bobby

[This message has been edited by Knifeslinger (edited 11 September 1999).]
 
Knifeslinger: I agree, this horse is done, and this post is (I promise) my last remark.

Sal: I'm past 40 and have 3 kids...I don't take anything personally, especially on a public web forum. I'm sorry I made the ELU remark only in that it belonged in another thread. It was rude of me to have dragged this thread up to chime that in and I apologize.

James: You bring up a good point about the web and chivalry. This web medium is still new and I think the web audience is still groping for a way to deal with these issues such that we retain our sense of humanity while observing all the legal and Net rules.

An interesting experiment, and one that begs the question of how friendly we should become with any company representative on this forum knowing that he/she may be gone the next day without explanation. We would scarcely let a flesh and blood acquaintance depart without expressing some concern or indignation.

I don't profess that Spyderco has done anything wrong, nor that I have any answers. There just seems to be a clash of net and legal culture with the qualities that make us people. That's all folks (and good-luck Danelle).
 
James (and others),

Re boycotts, could you please have a look at my post on East Timor. I was going to post it here but realised there was a more appropriate forum.

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Clay

Don't worry that the world might end tomorrow....in Australia it's tomorrow already.



[This message has been edited by Clay Kesting (edited 12 September 1999).]
 
I suspect that we will not see Danelle around the forums as soon as she gets that legal "cease and desist" letter asking her nicely to not play in the Spyderco forums.

She was a nice addition to the forums and it was great to have a "face" for customer support. Hopefully Spyderco will continue to staff with folks as eager to support the first-class Spyderco products.

At least Sal's still around. :)


--Doug


[This message has been edited by Doug Mason (edited 13 September 1999).]
 
Doug,

That was uncalled for and very unfair of you. I do not think Danelle is going to abuse this board by expressing any greviences she may have with Spyderco or vice/versa.

To suggest that she will be getting a cease and desist letter is pretty a pretty low blow.

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Mike Turber
BladeForums Site Owner and Administrator
Do it! Do it right! Do it right NOW!
www.wowinc.com

 
Mike - thanx for the defense. Don't think that Doug meant harm. I guess that is what would be expected of "Corporate".

Doug - wouldn't need to do such a thing unless if was necessary because of problems caused, which I cannot imagine.

I have not locked the thread for two reasons.

1) I have never had to edit or lock anything on this forum. I have faith in the visitors to the Spyderco site.

2) I do not want to give the impression that Sopyderco has anything to hide.

sal
 
Man, I sure didn’t like this day! Storm coming in, and then the news about Danelle! My first impulse was the same as many, anger, but then I remembered it’s company business, not mine.... Danelle will be sorely missed by all of us, and my hope is that her life will continue to be happy and productive! I know I personally will miss her. Ms. Marketing was the one who upset me at the onset of this forum, when Sal came in and smoothed things over... and she has done it again. Sal, keep her off the forum, please... she hasn’t the language or the temperment to be a part of this...not her fault I’m sure, she just doesn’t word things well. Hope we can drop this now, and get on to business at hand...
Thank you Danelle, I will miss you...
Dane
 
Sal, I see no reason to keep Michelle off this or any other forum.

While I have never met the lady, I do know of her efforts to improve the situation at Spyderco and, like it or not, the changes she has been making are necessary. I believe that the results will bear this out in the future.

I have no idea what transpired with Danelle and I believe that is none of my, or anyone else's business.

I too am sorry that she is no longer a part of the Spyderco organization but she is in no way gone. I'm sure that when she has something to say she will be heard.

The same right belongs to Michelle. Whether we agree with what she says or like how she says it is immaterial.

We may be fast becoming United Socialist States but it is still AMERICA. NO ONE should be silenced simply because someone doesn't like the what they say.

Post on Michelle.


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Dennis Wright
Wright Knife & Sporting Goods
(Buy a knife...confuse a liberal)
La Mesa, CA
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We're not a very open group if we can't give people time to get adjusted to our "ways and customs".

Bring it on, Michelle! Looking forward to getting to know you!
 
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