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I think the criteria you listed should be made a sticky. That way in detail, people will know how to describe the knife they are selling .
 
I can understand your frustration, you seem like a very honest & loyal person and I credit you for that! I've been dealing with Internet transactions for the past 8 years, everything from knives, guns, watches, flashlights, etc... The difference I see between us is you aren't taking the proper actions. Don't settle and take a loss, get what you paid for! If an item comes to me misrepresented I promptly communicate with the other party and politely ask for a reversal, return, exchange, partial or full refund. I find that 95% of people will work with you. Another thing I notice is that you've never left negative feedback...why not? If someone was dishonest with you help the next guy out and leave honest feedback stating the issues you had.
 
On the flip side of this, there are some buyers who will buy a used knife* and then go over it with a super macro lens, or a microscope, find some microscopic, barely noticeable to the naked eye scratch or flaw...and then come in talking about how people are totally misrepresenting their items and OMG. I can't help but be amused. If I ever have a buyer like that, I'm not even going to argue with them, I'll get the knife back and post the auction up with the same words. I don't do microscopic detail inspections of ANY of my knives, and I personally find that unreasonable. So, if my point of view bothers you, block me now. Have a nice day! :thumbup:

Edited to add: if you receive an obviously broken knife that was clearly misrepresented, I definitely you have a case in that situation. Problem comes when you have folks buying used stuff and inspecting it with a jeweler's monacle.







* Here's a hint, if you aren't buying it from a retailer or direct from the maker, IT'S A USED KNIFE.
 
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No problem with your suggestions, it would be great if people just accurately describe their knives. I received a knife once that had a few minor issues that weren't disclosed. It was obvious the seller was very new to knives and didn't even know to look for these things.

That's a problem too. People who are new to knives, just joined BFC and the first thing they do is start selling in the exchange. Perhaps it wouldn't be a bad idea to have to be a member for few months at least before you can start selling, so that you can gain more experience and understanding of expectations and how to evaluate a knife before you sell it.

Additionally, although it is the responsibility of the seller to accurately describe the knife and disclose any issues, there's nothing that prevents the buyer from inquiring about these thing's before they buy. No reason one can't ask about the detent, steel, bevels, lock up, centering or and any other concerns one might have before the commit to buying. That too will help reduce disappointment I think.
 
I see many posts where a knife is described NIB but then you read "I only carried for a few days".
It would be great if we had a sticky with standards and expectations so we are all clear.
I find the NIB, LNIB etc. thing to be very ambiguous.
 
billym said:
I see many posts where a knife is described NIB but then you read "I only carried for a few days".
It would be great if we had a sticky with standards and expectations so we are all clear.
I find the NIB, LNIB etc. thing to be very ambiguous.
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So.... Read the post. Look at pictures. Ask questions.

I also disagree with calling a knife that was carried a few days "nib" but I disagree more with having a set of rules on what condition to call a knife.
 
It pains me to see that you turned around and sold these at a loss. By using PayPal (if you're not using the gift option), you are protected as a buyer and "item not as described" is grounds for a refund from the original seller.
 
ALLHSS said:
So.... Read the post. Look at pictures. Ask questions.

I also disagree with calling a knife that was carried a few days "nib" but I disagree more with having a set of rules on what condition to call a knife.
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It's the curse and benefit of being on the forums. A lot of different folks with a lot of different personalities, all with the same passion <-- that could be at the start of a movie trailer. I've been toying with the idea of bumping up to a gold membership so I can get involved with the exchange. In all honesty part of what is holding me back is I don't want to make a bone head mistake or misrepresent something in a way that brings my integrity into question. I like that the forums call out people being shady and I also I wouldn't want to be in the same boat. I know there is a lot of grace for newer members and as long as people aren't being rude or obtuse folks will work with you.

Where I'm going with this is that I am a fan of the idea of having a sticky for what to look for in terms of knife conditions and how to be better at selling a knife and protecting your reputation. I feel like the forum would benefit as a whole.
 
Misanthropia said:
It pains me to see that you turned around and sold these at a loss. By using PayPal (if you're not using the gift option), you are protected as a buyer and "item not as described" is grounds for a refund from the original seller.
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i agree with you on that but in a similar situation i bought a knife on the exchange that didnt specify a cosmetic flaw and i didnt notice right away so not sure if a return is doable days after the fact. the kicker is i went to find the listing i bought from and also found the original listing where that buyer bought from where it did describe the flaw. ultimately it's going to be a user, so i didnt harp on it- but it was a shady experience and to the tc's point the knife is valued less than what i paid for it for sure.
 
I understand the annoyance, and if you're paying top dollar, it can piss you off.
However, I bought a Benchmade Skirmish on this forum years ago.
It was listed as LNIB...it was not.

We're talking handle scratches galore, and not little ones.
Rust in the jimping.
Faded blade markings.
But at least I got the knife (unlike a knife I sent off for modification that never returned...a $500 knife at that), so I just disassembled it, sanded the scales free of all scratches (and anodizing), and used the hell out of it. :thumbup:

It wasn't super cheap, but it wasn't the price they're going for these days LNIB either.
But I was pretty damn broke when I bought it; I could easily have gotten pissed off about it.
However, any of us could drop dead tomorrow...I could even die 30 seconds after posting this...so why worry. :)
 
drrickso said:
i agree with you on that but in a similar situation i bought a knife on the exchange that didnt specify a cosmetic flaw and i didnt notice right away so not sure if a return is doable days after the fact. the kicker is i went to find the listing i bought from and also found the original listing where that buyer bought from where it did describe the flaw. ultimately it's going to be a user, so i didnt harp on it- but it was a shady experience and to the tc's point the knife is valued less than what i paid for it for sure.
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The issues you described in your original post are not 'minor' and do not represent in any way the meaning of 'NIB' or 'LNIB'.

You should inspect everything right when you get it, (these issues would/should all be detected in the first day if not hour) and these mis-represented knives should be returned to the seller for a full refund.

That is the only thing that is fair, and that is the only way sellers are going to take their listings of 'condition' more seriously.

If you continue to keep a lie, the lie will continue.
 
stabman said:
I understand the annoyance, and if you're paying top dollar, it can piss you off.
However, I bought a Benchmade Skirmish on this forum years ago.
It was listed as LNIB...it was not.

We're talking handle scratches galore, and not little ones.
Rust in the jimping.
Faded blade markings.
But at least I got the knife (unlike a knife I sent off for modification that never returned...a $500 knife at that), so I just disassembled it, sanded the scales free of all scratches (and anodizing), and used the hell out of it. :thumbup:

It wasn't super cheap, but it wasn't the price they're going for these days LNIB either.
But I was pretty damn broke when I bought it; I could easily have gotten pissed off about it.
However, any of us could drop dead tomorrow...I could even die 30 seconds after posting this...so why worry. :)
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So if I condense your post into one sentence, it would be...

'Ya, I got screwed, but why worry, I could die tomorrow'

I am not sure I understand the philosophy, but it is a very Canadian one!

I am Canadian as well, that's why it was so easy to recognize....
 
JR88FAN said:
So if I condense your post into one sentence, it would be...

'Ya, I got screwed, but why worry, I could die tomorrow'

I am not sure I understand the philosophy, but it is a very Canadian one!

I am Canadian as well, that's why it was so easy to recognize....
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Pretty much. :D
Actually, I guess it would be "I got kinda screwed, but why worry, I could die tomorrow." At least I got a knife out of it.
It's actually turned out to be a pretty good one...but it was misrepresented.
 
stabman said:
Pretty much. :D
Actually, I guess it would be "I got kinda screwed, but why worry, I could die tomorrow." At least I got a knife out of it.
It's actually turned out to be a pretty good one...but it was misrepresented.
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I was just messing with you Stabman, I hope you got that....!

Stay warm my friend, it's going to be a long and cold winter.
 
JR88FAN said:
I was just messing with you Stabman, I hope you got that....!

Stay warm my friend, it's going to be a long and cold winter.
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Indeed I got the spirit in which it was meant. :)

I do believe that winter will be long and cold. Any outings will undoubtedly involve fire.
 
I thought it better to start my own thread to answer from my point of view. I do not condone being untruthful in a deal, but one part of the op struck me in the wrong way- the value loss seemed to be the most important part, while the amount of loss is solely on the op for selling at that price and not returning the knives in the first place and the op placing blame on others, not himself for his loss. But what got to me wasn't that there was little if anything that would affect actually using theknife, just things that brought down the value.

To me you are asking WAY too much to be listed- it's not my concern to review a knife to see if there are any issues with the blade steel in previous runs?!? That's way too much, and to be honest with things like that listed I did not even want to finish your list so I wouldn't get frustrated. Similar to your statement- is the edge intact? I'm assuming you meant "is the factory edge intact?"- but in your example there you are unclear. If a perspective buyer asked me if the edge was intact (say a new person who read your list and took it word for word to ask each question), what would my response, and that of many others be? "Of course the edge is intact- dos it look f$&67ing broken to you. Don't bother responding back troll...." Or various versions of the same!! I bring up that example just to show that Interpretations will always vary from person to person- like how I'm assuming you meant the statement about intact edges (I hope I'm right)


With respect to your opinions (as they are valid), here is my response.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...owd-My-honest-opinion?p=14211276#post14211276

I appreciate feedback form the other side of knife collecting.
 
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A few well taken photos in good light are going to say a lot more than a persons interpretation of the condition of their knife. But if there is an obvious flaw that the pictures don't catch than it for sure is the sellers responsibility to disclose whatever it is.
 
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If you list a knife "NEW IN THE BOX"- It should arrive as purchased and nothing less. I read so many threads..."NIB" only carried for a week!
 
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