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I assume if I'm not buying it from a dealer or the mfg, that it's a used knife. I have no expectation of "NIB" or "LNIB" regardless of the description.

But then, I use every knife I own, and do not collect (in the sense that they stay in, or even with their original boxes) - if I sell any of my knives, I'm pretty open about the fact that I used it, probably sharpened it, and there should be no expectation that it would appear as a new knife would.

Is it misleading to call a knife NIB that has been used a bit? Yes. Certainly. But frankly, it's also unrealistic to expect an actual NIB knife from a private seller, imo - no matter how they bill it. Certainly they would be the exception.

So - if not happy with a purchase, work with/try to return it to the seller for a refund.

But moving forward, you may wish to adjust your expectations.
 
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First I have trust that OP realizes that he posted, regarding questionable transactions in the exchange. Since I have purchased hundreds of knives here in the last year and many more trades as well I found it difficult to see anyone having such bad luck and our members being so crooked. So I simply reviewed recent posts by the OP. Op complains that he purchased a Whaleshark Blackout with issues, and he lost money on said knife, yet he posted the knife below and stated " nothing wrong with knife" then the OP proceeded to Bump, or remark 11 more times regarding the knife. Asking members to pay within 10 mins, not the site allowed 24. Clearly this most recent post is not true. Second post addresses a general awaking to the point the Op had "lost" interest in all knives. This often happens to members who jump in, invest big money and they realize, wow, "these" things cost $$.. My point is not to judge the OP , but to rather point out how rumors and mistrusts spread on this and other sites. This site is operated and owned by an individual as a way of feeding his family. When we jump to conclusions and have a gang type mentality I find it affects all sellers, all buyers and the overall reputation of this site. While I am sure issues do come around, this site is unsurpassed in fixing them. And if anyone had issues in the past they had every avenue to get them resolved. Jumping on the pile just seems unfair. I have tried my best not to post anything outside "I will Take it" for almost a year, but things like this , IMO need to be corrected. If I am wrong, then I certainly am sorry. RB Black




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Whaleshark Blackout "Front Toward Enemy" LE with tool - 240 shipped

Model: Whaleshark Blackout LE
Serial Number: #019/100
Blade: S35VN, Chisel grind
Date: 06/2012

Catch and release for me.
Nothing wrong with this knife,
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just can't get used to tip-up carry after carrying tip-down for several months. Was purchased from previous owner, carried twice, never used, and put back in its sheath and box. Some minor wear from the previous owner, and one tiny nick in the blade. Flips nicely; won't flip all the way if the knife is held completely vertical and no wrist motion is involved, but many production flippers don't achieve this either. #19 of 100. Pictures are from previous listing. Looking for a quick sale; take it for 240.00 shipped. Now includes a free Microtech body screw tool, used & slightly worn

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Price drop.


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Price drop.


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Please don't PM me with offers in the $100-150 range. I am already pricing this at a steep discount from both what I purchased it for and its list price/MSRP.


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Adding a free Microtech body screw tool to this offer (used and slightly worn). 275.00 shipped for the knife and tool.


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Price drop - 270.00 shipped for the knife and tool.


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270.00 is firm. If you can pay within 10 minutes of an "I'll take it", you can have an extra discount.


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Last drop, 265.00 firm.


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Price drop to 260.00


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Take it in the next 5 mins and it's yours for 255 shipped.


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Must sell tonight. 260 firm. If you can pay within 15 minutes of "I'll take it", you can have a discount.

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There are no more price drops. Pay within 15 minutes of "I'll take it" and it's yours for 240.00 shipped and fees included. This is the best I can do and PLEASE, PLEASE stop sending me low offers.


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The strangest thing just happened to me

Tonight, I suddenly felt the urge to look for new knives leave completely. I looked at my other knives and the only thing I could think of was: I don't need any of these anymore. I listed them all up for sale on various forums and I didn't feel uneasy, I felt completely relieved. It surprised me what knife I ended up keeping - it's a tanto Socom from 1997. It's nothing to look at and has been used hard, needs a sharpening, and has passed through a previous owner or two. It's machine ground, unevenly beveled, and I bought it as a cheap user a few months ago. But that's the only one I feel like ever carrying, looking at, or using again. Just on a whim, a few hours ago. Has something like this happened to anyone else?
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But frankly, it's also unrealistic to expect an actual NIB knife from a private seller, imo - no matter how they bill it. Certainly they would be the exception.
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here again one last point, I have purchased hundreds nib on this site and traded, gifted hundreds nib on this site, It is very easy, very likely and have never had out of over 60 members who posted nib been disappointed, never. Itrades matter, that is why I leave them on all transactions, and why I read they 100% of the time. This site offers the best self policing of any site I know. And members, many if you look, you can easily see who dedicate their time to helping here. You have an issue on Bladeforums in the exchange, it will be resolved. Period. Guys that report to that area do not let up. The mods and just regular members will fix it. I feel you often get a better knife off this site than you do in a knife store. Often those knives are returns or even Mfg. re boxed etc.
 
A fair point, Treeshaker - I am just posting my own personal expectations. If I get a knife better than I expect, then great! Going in with low expectations means I'm usually pretty happy. :)
 
I once Sold a used / modified knife here with full disclosure. The Buyer resold it here without a description basically just pictures after sharpening and buffing it up- so it looked like new as was inferred in the ad. When I questioned his actions here in the Feedback section- I was trashed= the weight was on the buyer to ask questions Not the Seller to be honest and forthcoming.

I buy from people who have a positive history, show good photos and are responsive.
 
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I thought it better to start my own thread to answer from my point of view. I do not condone being untruthful in a deal, but one part of the op struck me in the wrong way- the value loss seemed to be the most important part, while the amount of loss is solely on the op for selling at that price and not returning the knives in the first place and the op placing blame on others, not himself for his loss. But what got to me wasn't that there was little if anything that would affect actually using theknife, just things that brought down the value.

To me you are asking WAY too much to be listed- it's not my concern to review a knife to see if there are any issues with the blade steel in previous runs?!? That's way too much, and to be honest with things like that listed I did not even want to finish your list so I wouldn't get frustrated. Similar to your statement- is the edge intact? I'm assuming you meant "is the factory edge intact?"- but in your example there you are unclear. If a perspective buyer asked me if the edge was intact (say a new person who read your list and took it word for word to ask each question), what would my response, and that of many others be? "Of course the edge is intact- dos it look f$&67ing broken to you. Don't bother responding back troll...." Or various versions of the same!! I bring up that example just to show that Interpretations will always vary from person to person- like how I'm assuming you meant the statement about intact edges (I hope I'm right)


With respect to your opinions (as they are valid), here is my response.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...owd-My-honest-opinion?p=14211276#post14211276

I appreciate feedback form the other side of knife collecting.
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I am not buying knives to make a profit and I never have and never will. But I think no one would like to lose $80+ on a knife without a reason. Value loss is fine if the knife was put to use, the seller decided it wasn't for him, then sold the knife as being more used than it was when he purchased it. When I personally purchase a knife, use it and then decide it isn't for me, I always list it for as low a price as I can because I think that's fair. Value loss is not acceptable if the knife arrives and has a mechanical problem so must be sold, without being used, carried, or handled at all, marked down 20% or more from the price at which the buyer paid.

I didn't specify if it was the factory edge that was intact because I didn't think that it was relevant to most buyers. If I did I would create a new criteria item: Does the knife have the factory edge? However sometimes it is hard to tell whether the edge is intact from photos. This was an issue in my UTX70 and Halo III, both of which came with severe damage to the edges requiring a reprofiling. There was no detail photos showing the extent of the damage to the edge so I assumed that the seller didn't feel it was necessary to explicitly show the edge because the edge was fine.
 
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Thank you for responding. My question regarding an intact edge was to define what a non-intact edge would be. To me that means there is a chunk taken out of the blade, not a blade that is sharpened or needs sharpening because of a ding. Hence your definition is vastly different than mine. Again- the value loss was on your head, you chose the value to sell for, and even to sell the new knives at all!! You could have kept them and used them and not had to worry about value depreciation. But by your own volition you chose to not go back to the sellers, you chose what value to sell them at, yet you are pointing blame to each of the sellers, and none towards yourself for bad judgement in not reversing the deal. That is the biggest sticky point I have.
 
Going back to the original post though. What are thoughts on having a sticky to promote good seller conduct for new gold members and members to the exchange? CutsLikeAKris brings up a good point about interpretations of things like intact blades, but as a whole it seems like a good idea to me to have a pretty thorough set of guidelines for folks who really want to work the exchange correctly.
 
I gotta say. I find it tremendously entertaining that the OP believes that sellers should be providing that level of detail in a transaction, when in his OWN selling transactions...he doesn't.

Nice. :foot:
 
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Going back to the original post though. What are thoughts on having a sticky to promote good seller conduct for new gold members and members to the exchange? CutsLikeAKris brings up a good point about interpretations of things like intact blades, but as a whole it seems like a good idea to me to have a pretty thorough set of guidelines for folks who really want to work the exchange correctly.
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The issue here is that different people have different levels of expectation, and different levels of perception. A seller's knife might have an insignificant, two millimeter long scratch on the blade, a scratch so light it can only be seen in certain light, at a very certain angle. The buyer gets it, happens to be a super anal details person who inspects the knife with multiple levels of microscopic analysis instrumentation, finds the scratch, and then comes in here and makes a huge bitchfight scene about it. Who's right? It's hard to say. But I've seen threads here where people were flipping out over that exact sort of situation, which no regular person would ever notice, or (imo) be expected to notice.

So, how can you quantify things beyond "No egregious damage, no noticeable scratches, knife works as new, and the edge hasn't been sharpened."? If a buyer is concerned to an insane degree, then they should be purchasing knives from a store, who'll take things back with no questions asked, because I think people DO deserve to be challenged if they try to renege on a deal because of some tiny, insignificant pedantic detail.

But that's just me.
 
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I gotta say. I find it tremendously entertaining that the OP believes that sellers should be providing that level of detail in a transaction, when in his OWN selling transactions...he doesn't.

Nice. :foot:
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I always provide photos disclosing all wear on the knife, lockup, edge and tip. In some of my very early sale threads I may not have described the knife as extensively as possible, and I apologize. There was no excuse for not documenting each small scratch or point of wear and I have since corrected my behavior. In all my recent sale listings I have been very forthcoming about the condition of my knives especially when compared to people who don't say anything but "used" or "LNIB".

The points of interest in my original post actually aren't a tremendous amount of detail. You can easily cover everything important in a few sentences. Describe action, lockup, and tightness. Quickly talk about the condition of the blade. Mention the pocket clip, if any screws are missing, etc. It is actually very simple:

"Model Hawk built 9/1996, serial number 246. Recently received a polished 1000 grit edge on an Apex Pro sharpener and hasn't been used since then. Intact tip and edge, blade has significant wear as shown in the photos. Handles in good condition with minor scratches as seen in photos. Pocket clip has excellent tension, see photo for wear on pocket clip. Coil spring fires hard with smooth deployment and no blade play in either the open or closed position. Stop pin has no signs of wear and button action is precise and smooth. No issues with hardware."

This is basically how I listed my Hawk (I didn't put up pictures because I withdrew it from the sale) and is generally how I sell things these days. I do realize I didn't mention if the hardware was damaged or not, which is something I'll be sure to do each and every time now that I have made a list for future reference.
 
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IMO a sellers description is totally subjective and it is up to me as a buyer to make sure I'm getting what I want. It's a two way street.
I have not sold anything but made a few trades and always made sure to include as much info and pics as possible. The few deals I've done the other party was totally happy as was I.
Ultimately the philosophy I try and live by is "no deal is done until both parties are happy, regardless".
Cheers and Happy Holidays
 
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I once Sold a used / modified knife here with full disclosure. The Buyer resold it here without a description basically just pictures after sharpening and buffing it up- so it looked like new as was inferred in the ad. When I questioned his actions here in the Feedback section- I was trashed= the weight was on the buyer to ask questions Not the Seller to be honest and forthcoming.

I buy from people who have a positive history, show good photos and are responsive.
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What this guy said!

I bought a used, vintage fly reel from a member of another forum I frequent. Reasonably priced for what it was until I received it and realized that he had taken great pains to avoid showing or describing the damage it had sustained from being dropped and some missing parts. I posted a comment about his actions, without naming him or the item as a simple warning to others about being more diligent than I had been and got trashed by some of the longer residing members for complaining too much. What bothered me wasn't the damage and the missing parts, it was the deliberateness of his fraudulent description and photos. He tried to get me to rescind my post and explained that he wasn't an expert on used fly reels but again it wasn't the actual damage, it was the extremely obvious way he failed to disclose the damage that bothered me. Lying by willful omission is still lying.
 
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I think I'm still alive. :)
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Glad to hear that you are ok, Stabman! After reading your post, I was just a little concerned that this was, possibly a Canadian's way of crying out for help, eh? ;)

Cuts Like A Kris- I will try my best & actually use, my mint condition, Spyderco Blue Fluted Military folder, today! :thumbup:

Balls Deep- I think that you should seriously consider going on tech support & put in a request for a name change. IMO- a name like that, should be entirely in Caps: BALLS DEEP! With maybe an exclamation point, or three! ;)
I'd be more than happy to pay for it- Merry Christmas!
 
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Glad to hear that you are ok, Stabman! After reading your post, I was just a little concerned that this was, possibly a Canadian's way of crying out for help, eh? ;)
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Nope, nothing to worry about. :thumbup:
Plus, if I hurt myself, my wife would kick my ass for doing so. :D

But yeah, life's not too bad all in all...though I now have no knives that would count as truly NIB. ;)
 
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