"Objective" folder tests?

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Everybody knows what I'm talking about when I say "those testing videos". And I'm not trying to enrage the fanboys, because I own a couple of knives from the same company.

I'm impressed when I see 200 pounds of weight being hung from the handle of a knife. I'm impressed when I see a lock fail "safe", jamming the blade instead of closing up on itself. I'm very impressed when the blade breaks before the lock fails.

But still, I wonder: where is the foot/pounds gauge? How much clamping force is being used? Do the two knives have the same blade thickness?

So I'm here to ask if there are any third-party knife test videos out there? Especially ones where instruments are used to measure relevant aspects of applied force? I don't care how well it will snap-cut a pig (any decent knife will do that, at least a couple times), I want to see an objective comparison of various types of knives.

Or at least, as objective as possible.

Thanks in advance.
 
Benchmade's are pretty empirical, at least when they're using the chatillon:

[video]https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDWjlsoubqMhw_Gp7tuvG6gH9H_meNE_Y[/video]
 
marcinek said:
That's hardly "third party."
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I believe that would be first party. Far more informative than what cold steel does.

Op, if you are impressed with what cold steel does then good. No need to justify it. Just enjoy it.
 
Here is my take on folders for heavy use. Without question I believe Andrew Demko makes the strongest locks out there on a folding knife, and this includes CS's use of the Tri-ad. Now do I use my folders for heavy duty use. Nope I use a fixed blade or axe, screw driver hammer etc.etc. Right tool for the job at hand. Although most folders stand up well to a modicum of heavy use like whittling and cutting cardboard, what they don't stand up to is side to side pressure cause they are half broken anyways, in that they are not one solid piece of steel like a fixed blade. I go by my own experience using knives through out my life. Never have I been reliably able to pry with a folding knife without some type of looseness occurring that may or may not be able to be fixed. Now that I am retired I am carrying a f.b. much more now and folder of a traditional design more so than liner lock, or frame lock or what have you. I love bowies but practicality rules, a SYCKO 311 in kydex is my choice of f.b. and a Rough Rider red jig bone Deer Hunter or Remington lock back with a Circle R folder. keepem sharp

PS Just in case anyone was wondering what I like to carry.
 
Even if somehow faked, which I think would be not needed anyway, no way is there a current lock in the market that could overpower the Triad in strength, atleast of knives of similar weight, thickness etc. None.

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Glenn056 said:
Even if somehow faked, which I think would be not needed anyway, no way is there a current lock in the market that could overpower the Triad in strength, atleast of knives of similar weight, thickness etc. None.
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And the third party, independent, "scientific method" proof of that conclusion came from where, if you don't mind me asking?
 
Insipid Moniker said:
Simply put, nope. Wish there was, but our hobby has very little actual hard data.
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Its actually staggering hard to come up with controlled experiments and hard data. Sooo many variables.

Doesn't stop people with coming up with "proof" and "facts" though.
 
marcinek said:
And the third party, independent, "scientific method" proof of that conclusion came from where, if you don't mind me asking?
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Just looking at the internals you know that it is a design that literally could not slip, unlike pretty much everylock out there. There just no possibility from an engineering standpoint. And I've never had any other lock that could be used for chopping like a fixed blade and still maintain rock solid lockup afterwards. Do you really doubt the lock that much? Now, I'm not saying its the BEST lock ever, I'm just saying it's the strongest, but not necessarily the most convenient for alot of people, nor the most fun. Just strongest without a doubt.

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And yes, if you really want videos done by third parties to prove the triad's strength, Vininull and nutnfancy(i know but he does have footage) of them doing battoning , chopping and spinewhacks on them without any movement afterwards, except some loosening of the pivot screw.

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Glenn056 said:
And yes, if you really want videos done by third parties to prove the triad's strength, Vininull and nutnfancy(i know but he does have footage) of them doing battoning , chopping and spinewhacks on them with any movement afterwards, except some loosening of the pivot screw.

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Empirical data that is not......
 
Not to mention Drop Forged Survival and a couple other youtubers that skip my mind as of now.

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Glenn056 said:
Not to mention Drop Forged Survival and a couple other youtubers that skip my mind as of now.

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"When compared to other types of evidence, anecdotal evidence is generally regarded as limited in value due to a number of potential weaknesses, but may be considered within the scope of scientific method as some anecdotal evidence can be both empirical and verifiable, e.g. in the use of case studies in medicine. Other anecdotal evidence, however, does not qualify as scientific evidence, because its nature prevents it from being investigated by the scientific method."

So, did these YouTubers like nuntfancy use any scientific method?

I mean, like I just said, conclusions based on anecdotal evidence is usually about the best we can get in the knife world, but don't go around claiming those conclusions are facts or "objective".
 
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