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"Old Knives"

This is my latest find!

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reminds me of a draw-knife, but with different handle structure.
 
Just went after this one on the bay...but got beat out :( so someone else will be enjoying this one, really nice looking knife.
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That is a nice looking knife, but what struck me is when looking at it, I noticed the Stamping is ( sorry...strongly "looks to be" ) shouldered, which means it was cold struck-not a good sign!
 
Campbellclanman said:
That is a nice looking knife, but what struck me is when looking at it, I noticed the Stamping is ( sorry...strongly "looks to be" ) shouldered, which means it was cold struck-not a good sign!
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Duncan thanks for the input, interesting, I am no expert on these knives, could you explain a bit about the problem with the stamping?
 
I just typed all this out and lost it -lol
Cold stamping means the stamping that you see on the Ricasso was struck whilst the metal was cold..not hot as in most production-line cases.
Shouldered stamping means that the metal curls over(fractionally) when the stamp hits the metal when its COLD-instead of the metal being hot and in production, and the stamping therefore sinking "down"not creating a shoulder.
So therefore you must ask yourself ...why is the stamping shouldered?..as most production knives are not...is the brand of knife known for cold shouldering? - such as William Rodgers?..if 99% of the brands knives are not cold shouldered and one is-that should ring warning bells, and then Fakery comes into suspicion-of which there is a terrible amount of such acts existing, and happening at this moment.
Now the guys in here are absolutely total experts, and I know nothing in comparison to the knowledge that they withhold, but from the small photo I can see-it looks like the stampings are shouldered to me-big time, and please accept my apology in advance if I am mistaken.
 
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Campbellclanman said:
I just typed all this out and lost it -lol
Cold stamping means the stamping that you see on the Ricasso was struck whilst the metal was cold..not hot as in most production-line cases.
Shouldered stamping means that the metal curls over(fractionally) when the stamp hits the metal when its COLD-instead of the metal being hot and in production, and the stamping therefore sinking "down"not creating a shoulder.
So therefore you must ask yourself ...why is the stamping shouldered?..as most production knives are not...is the brand of knife known for cold shouldering? - such as William Rodgers?..if 99% of the brands are not cold shouldered and one is-that should ring warning bells, and then Fakery comes into suspicion-of which there is a terrible amount of such acts existing, and happening at this moment.
Now the guys in here are absolutely total experts, and I know nothing in comparison to the knowledge that they withhold, but from the small photo I can see-it looks like the stampings are shouldered to me-big time, and please accept my apology in advance if I am mistaken.
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Thank you very much for the information, I certainly see what you are talking about now. I had not even considered that it could be a fake, didn't realize that anyone faked these. I will be sure and watch for this sort of thing in the future. May be a good thing I didn't come away with this one.
 
Hi there Piston&gears...this is NOT to say I am correct, but when you see white lighting around the actual letter of stamping-it is a worry, and even at first glance this jumped out at me-could one of our more knowledgeable guys here comment-because this is a learning curb for ALL of us!
My apologies in advance if I have put anyone wrong-especially the seller in this case if I am mistaken
 
Campbellclanman said:
That is a nice looking knife, but what struck me is when looking at it, I noticed the Stamping is ( sorry...strongly "looks to be" ) shouldered, which means it was cold struck-not a good sign!
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Good eye Duncan :thumbup: I think that the stamp looks very shaky although close up photo would be of much help.
pistonsandgears I wouldn't be so sorry for not winning this knife.
Mike
 
For an old knife -that blade looks refinished to me, the Swedge runs along almost down into the nail nick, and there can be a great deal of forgiveness doing this? depending on how deep the nail nick is....the sheen of the blade definitely looks very freshly belt finished, and that stamping is as above discussed, as for manufacture...on this styling of knife-there is lots to choose from....perhaps early Sheffield to choose from and turn it into a early American knife which would be more desirable amongst collectors...I truly don't know and these are only my theories?
After all of my theories...the stamping still looks suspicious - which raises questions.
 
Good eye, Duncan. The photos aren't the best but the blades look refinished to me also. Because the lighting is so wonky and the photo doesn't show much detail, I'm not confident that I can make the call on the stamp... it might be cold stamped but it might also be the reflection of the light on the refinished blades ...the knife does look like a Schrade to me.

...here's a similar knife with a clip blade and ebony handle:

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The knife in the auction had a spear and cocobolo handle but that catalog scan was handy. Someone else might have access to a closer example... I bet Charlie has one. ;)
 
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Not sure if this will get me in trouble, mods if this is a no, no please forgive me. But here is a link to the auction for the knife with more pictures that may be helpful. The stamp looks "shouldered" in all of the pictures to me. Would it be possible that this was a Schrade that was maybe in rougher condition that was refinished and maybe restamped? http://www.ebay.com/itm/261093830225?ssPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1435.l2649
 
pistonsandgears said:
Not sure if this will get me in trouble, mods if this is a no, no please forgive me. But here is a link to the auction for the knife with more pictures that may be helpful. The stamp looks "shouldered" in all of the pictures to me. Would it be possible that this was a Schrade that was maybe in rougher condition that was refinished and maybe restamped? http://www.ebay.com/itm/261093830225?ssPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1435.l2649
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You're ok, pistonsandgears.
 
Duncan, you are right that stamps that look like that can be a problem. The term is cold-stamped, but the meaning is slightly different. Knives are stamped before heat treating and finishing, but they are not hot stamped. Cold stamped means stamped after heat treating.
Slight difference. A shoulder gets pushed up or displaced around the lettering, and not levelled or polished off after heat treating, as would be usual.All that said, the knife sure looks like a Schrade! I think it is O.K. from the pictures!
 
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