"Old Knives"

This an old Elk Cutlery knife that was made by Premier Cutlery and distributed out of Toronto Canada. The pen or secondary blade is broken but I like the fancy bolsters and the old jigged bone.

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I need to lightly clean it and take some "Primble Pictures" with coins and watches and punches. :eek: :D

I think that that Bone is Pressed - not jigged, what do you say forum friends?
Lovely knife - I too love those Bolsters, Canada did good :thumbup:
 
That's an interesting observation, Duncan. I had not thought of that. But you may be right...the pattern is light and does not have the same look as standard jigging.
 
Interesting observation Duncan. I don't know, I'm not an expert. But Charlie is and I'm shipping it to him today. :)

I took it apart last night before Charlie PM'd me and it is interesting that the bolsters are hollow and seem to have a greater ratio of silver than nickel. I have never seen a knife like this before.
Check out the quick pic I just took.....
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Shapleigh Hardware Co., bone handled Diamond Edge Barlow, circa 1950's or earlier,
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Model # B302 - a bit smaller than my other Barlows, but, weighty - 3 & 3/8 inches closed. The bone is beautiful on this sample.

Have a nice and safe 4th of July weekend everyone!

:)
 
Thats a Stunning knife right there, I love everything about the knife - The Bolsters are great - I love old Bolsters that have the stamping in them,
I admittedly love just about every D/E knife I have seen, and that Bone!!!!! that Bone is simply superb! Is this a Schrade knife?
 
Wonderful D<>E, with Schrade DNA showing through!!
 
Wow...your sure have captured the beauty of the ole Diamond, Primble. Five star spa treatment I see:D
 
Beautiful knife!
Ok...I apologise for the delay in getting the Case Red Bone Grand-Daddy Barlow up, if you look back I mentioned I would put it up for your opinion on whether I should clean up the blade....
The blade tip was broken off so I have reshaped the blade, loosing as little steel as possible, I have not sharpened the knife as of yet - until I get your opinions.
The Blade has a nice patina, but there are fairly fresh sharpening marks ( not mine ) on the blade so here it is.......
I have not touched the Red Bone scales yet-if I do anything to them at all, The bone imo is just beautiful...





( If ?) I clean the blade I will introduce a Patina...here are a few shots of the knife...





The blade - this side isnt so bad for scratch marks....


But as you can see this side is quite bad, so heres the question.......would you clean this blade up?
Thanks for your interest everyone....
 
Duncan - just my opinion, but given the fact that you reshaped the blade due to the broken tip (wonderful job on that by the way), I wouldn't hesitate to clean up and sharpen the blade. Beautiful knife, and I agree that I wouldn't touch the bone as its already gorgeous.
 
I agree with Stephen and Gevonovich on all points - that is a stunning ole red bone Grand Pappy Case - Mr. Duncan. :eek:

You have sure wowed me a lot this fine Sunday! :eek::eek::eek:

I think I would probably re-introduce a patina on it, after I got the scratch marks cleaned up. You might just use an 800 grit and you might like it that way.

I would be very careful not to get anything on that fantastic old bone - especially vinegar - which could dull it.

If you want me to describe, step by step, how I would do it, let me know.

Or - you could just mail it to me and forget about all your worries with that old beat up knife. :D



P.S. - I should say - just kidding about the mail, sir! :D

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Mighty fine Daddy Barlow, Duncan! The essence of pretty Redbone!
I'm usually an "as found" guy, but Primble's ministrations sure bring out the best features of old, somewhat used knives!
I echo the remarks before mine; leave the bone, gently improve the blade!!
 
Duncan - just my opinion, but given the fact that you reshaped the blade due to the broken tip (wonderful job on that by the way), I wouldn't hesitate to clean up and sharpen the blade. Beautiful knife, and I agree that I wouldn't touch the bone as its already gorgeous.
Stephen, thank you - you have read my mind Sir.

I agree with Stephen on all points. Its a beauty, Duncan!! Love that bone.
Tip of the hat to you Gev, I think it is a beauty, thank you for your thoughts - they are always most welcome :thumbup:

I agree with Stephen and Gevonovich on all points - that is a stunning ole red bone Grand Pappy Case - Mr. Duncan. :eek:

You have sure wowed me a lot this fine Sunday! :eek::eek::eek:

I think I would probably re-introduce a patina on it, after I got the scratch marks cleaned up. You might just use an 800 grit and you might like it that way.

I would be very careful not to get anything on that fantastic old bone - especially vinegar - which could dull it.

If you want me to describe, step by step, how I would do it, let me know.

Or - you could just mail it to me and forget about all your worries with that old beat up knife. :D



P.S. - I should say - just kidding about the mail, sir! :D

:)
Mr Primble Sir - thank you, I have this process in mind, I will let you know what I have in my mind, and totally invite your way - in fact I insist :) it will be good for comparisons :thumbup:

I was going to use a block and Wet & Dry 400g for stage 1 working as much detail ( tiny dings, carbon spots, scratches )out of the steel, the 400g will be done carefully with constant cleaning and checking along the way -then repeat the process with 600g in stage 2 - this should take a lot less, basically the 600g will be to remove the 400g scratches and a smaller percentage of any remaining detail, 800g in stage 3 again, this time to remove the 600g marks, then 1200g to remove the 800g...and so on, I will finish the blade with 2000g.

The Bolsters - because of the slightly exposed pin...the pin will be filed with an extremely fine file, followed by 400g and 600g and so on.
I am guessing I will then take stock of the job at this stage an decide whether a Patina is to be forced- or is it a job good enough to earn being left as is - it would have to be pretty good in my books - if not death of shine by the way of Cider Vinegar as per Charlies method.

Work in progress shots wanted?

If W.I.P shots are not put up it will be because I have ruined the knife - smashed it to bits in a child like fit of fury with a ballpein hammer, and I will deny all knowledge of the knife ever existing :D

Mighty fine Daddy Barlow, Duncan! The essence of pretty Redbone!
I'm usually an "as found" guy, but Primble's ministrations sure bring out the best features of old, somewhat used knives!
I echo the remarks before mine; leave the bone, gently improve the blade!!

Ok Charlie - as you know I just love Red Bone, I too am a "leave alone" sort, but I have faith in myself, although I dont, but my other selves think we can do a good job, although the bad me cant wait for me to mess it up, just to give the others a hard time.

Im ok :thumbup:
 
Work in progress shots wanted?

If W.I.P shots are not put up it will be because I have ruined the knife - smashed it to bits in a child like fit of fury with a ballpein hammer, and I will deny all knowledge of the knife ever existing :D



Ok Charlie - as you know I just love Red Bone, I too am a "leave alone" sort, but I have faith in myself, although I dont, but my other selves think we can do a good job, although the bad me cant wait for me to mess it up, just to give the others a hard time.

Im ok :thumbup:

Yes Duncan W.I.P. pictures please. And if you smash it into bits with a hammer? :eek: A video of that process would be much appreciated! :D

That is a great knife BTW. :thumbup:
 
Beautiful G-D Barlow, Duncan. That bone reminds me of the bone you see on some of the old Robesons.

I also would like to see the cleanup pics!
 
Duncan - just my opinion, but given the fact that you reshaped the blade due to the broken tip (wonderful job on that by the way), I wouldn't hesitate to clean up and sharpen the blade. Beautiful knife, and I agree that I wouldn't touch the bone as its already gorgeous.

I agree with this 100%. Beautiful knife Duncan :thumbup:
 
Work in progress shots wanted?

If W.I.P shots are not put up it will be because I have ruined the knife - smashed it to bits in a child like fit of fury with a ballpein hammer, and I will deny all knowledge of the knife ever existing :D

Duncan - I may not sleep well tonight, just thinking about that ballpein hammer on that beautiful old red bone! Goodness gracious! :D

Looks like you know where you want to go with this one Duncan. Fixing the high pin on the bolster requires a loss of patina, so I think I see where you are going here. ;)

Pictures of progress would be great! :thumbup:

It might be desirable to try and decide about the re-patina ahead of time - if that is your selection, then I personally would not go any further than to remove surface scars and the scratches - leave minor pits, etc. - they will enhance the aged look and overall beauty when re-patinaed. If the bolster is steel, it could also be re-patinaed.;)

I will just add a few tips for now: This is good advice for working on any knife, especially an old historic knife.

This is posted more for readers of unknown skills and/or origin, rather than you Duncan.

Knife Hackers Tutorial - the basics to avoid messing up your knife: :p

Patience is the key - if you begin to feel anxious to finish - lay the knife down and come back to it later, with re-newed vigilance to maintain a slow and steady pace.

Use hand tools - remove material slowly and methodically. Stop and examine often.

For the most of us, power tools can and most likely will ruin your old knife, and in a hurry!

Only an expert knife craftsman should use power tools on a knife - they just remove material too quickly!

The sandpaper choices that Duncan mentions sounds fine to me. I also like the grit in a Knife Eraser block - I use them frequently.

I use a Rocket bulb blower, a photo accessory, to blow the residue out of the knife, every now and then as I go.

I lay the knife blade(s) on a block of bare lumber to support the blade or knife as I work on it.

The 2000 grit seems a bit of over kill - I guess you/we will see - maybe 1000 grit - which is about the grit of the Knife Eraser. ;)

If you go slow and steady, about the only thing that cannot be undone is the loss of patina - otherwise you can most likely even start over, if need be. ;):)

If you follow my simple advice - it will be highly unlikely that you will ruin your knife - patience will have it's rewards!

If you re-introduce patina:

Duncan - my friend - if you know Charlie's vinegar method or have used it - that sounds fine to me.

I use a cold Balsamic vinegar wrap, followed by a drying blot, oil, and then a 0000 steel wool rub. I usually examine the blades every thirty minutes and re-wet and re-wrap, a total time of around two hours per blade. The main key is to elevate the knife handles on the wooden block and make sure the handle material remains dry and is not sitting in vinegar. The Balsamic vinegar can dull the gloss on the bone, etc.. :eek::eek::eek:

Duncan - if you or anyone else, want more detailed patina instructions, just say so and I will follow this up.

Best regards,
Primble
 
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