"Old Knives"

I've posted this before in either this thread or another here on the Traditional these were some different pictures I've found. Now that I've got a better camera, (thanks Mossyhorn) I'll take some better pics.

This was a knife I bought at one of the first estate sales I'd ever been too. The gentleman who'd passed away collected some knives and it was me and another guy bidding on the 30 or so knives that went up. It was a great first sale as the guy bidding against me was completely fair and if he saw I was interested he backed off and I did the same so we both would up with an equal share of the knives and we both got for the most part what we each wanted.

The one knife I missed, in fact we both missed was this little pearl Sleeveboard Lobster pattern that came with a little leather purse. It was part of a box lot that was filled stuff from a woman's vanity table. The bidding got past $12 and i let it go, (my wife was already mad that I had bought over a dozen knives and explaining why I needed one more wasn't goin' to help my case much. so I lost the lot.

Later that evening as we were gettin' ready to settle up I ran into the woman and i asked her if she'd be willin' to part with the knife and she immediately resonded by pullin' it from the box and asked me for $3 which I gladly handed over. she even found the leather purse that went with it. That was back in the 80s, I hung onto that knife not knowing or finding any other info about the knife except a name which was stamped into the blade.

Here's some pics, now at this point in the story I knew nothing other than the name in the blade JSZIRAKI.

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Part of what helped me date it was the little SAK style nickel silver tweezers or what I thought was a cocaine spoon which would have put the knife around the 1800s but that was just a educated guess by me which turned out to be completely wrong. Around the early 90s I was at a local show and I ran into a guy who had a table full of old knives all in great shape. During the conversation I had shown him the knife and he corrected me and gave me my first solid piece of evidence. What I thought was a coke spoon turned out to be an ear pick used to scoop out ear wax and debris from one's ears, long before the invention of the Q-tip this was the acceptable method, an ear pick used to scoop out the nasty stuff. :)

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It was most likely a manicure tool made for an upper crust Victorian woman. ;) but other than that info there was nothin' else for another 18 years. Now 18 or so years later the internet is in full bloom, social media put me in contact with more resources and people who had more knowledge than I had on the subject and a member here at BFC saw the name and hooked me up with links and history about the maker. ,(I love the internet ).

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Well after owning the knife that I bought for $3 around 30 or so years ago turns out that J (Josev) Sziraki was the intergral player if not the father of the central European Cutlery industry going back to the early to mid 18th century. This guy was a god, the Tony Bose of his day and to make things even better he was Hungarian, he was one of my people. :)

I'm still learning about this knife, here it is I've owned it for 30 years and i feel I'm barely scratchin' the surface. I got a big break whe a member here at BFC sent me a PM with a couple of relevant links, Thanks, I'll post your name when I go back and check my PMs to see who you were , thanks again.

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Very nice, Ted! I enjoyed the photos and background about the knife.
 
What's your opinion on this one?...Ad plainly states original condition and refund if not completely satisfied..
I been eyeing it for several days now......
What everyones opinion on it?
Thanks for reply,JD

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JD That Camillus as mentioned has nice ful blades. The Great Carbon that they are will allow you to regain a more natural look in absolutely no time- I would get that knife- buffing aside its a nice conditioned knife.

If I obtained that knife - BECAUSE it has been buffed - I would very carefully 1000g dry the blades in absolute one direction - finish with 0000 Steel Wool this will bring DOWN the high sheen to a nicer "clean" look to the Steel. Put it in your pocket - use carefully for a few weeks using your fingers to rub the Steel each day and I can tell you that the knife will look very very nice indeed.
Do this right no matter what anyone says and you will improve the knife no end- do it wrong- and you won't 😊
 
Thanks guys.....Campbell,soon as I get it i'll message you about the proper way to
knock the sheen down some......
As for missing a piece of bone,I don't see it....I hope not,anyway......I've had several of these,still
have a couple....But it is hard to find a full bladed version that looks this sweet in my opinion....
I just had to have it......I have another at my shop that has full blades,but not the long nail nick.
Plus one side is cracked pretty bad,I've gotta find out how to repair it without taking apart if I can.
If nothing else,I'd like to find some of this bone......The blades are full on my other one,but
they're not as big as these either?...I can't wait to have in hand.
Pictures of my own to come soon.....JD
 
JD.
If you have to have it- why not. We ALL cannot say we felt that about a paticular knife - and then paid a little too much for it- but then did we- When I really want a knife- I work out my maximum amount and then think- well if it went for another $25 I would be mad so I guess my max goes up 😄
The reason why I said use your paper dry - is because when wet it polishes more.

Start with patience at the Tang carefully getting into the very edge by using a square block with the 1000 on and start from inside edge and gently sand out towards edge of Tang as if you were to go along the complete blade ending at the tip- just do the Tang first- and this is done very very gently - then you can do your blade from Tang edge to tip- one stroke from Tang to the tip- running off the tip completely- NO STOPPING!
I know others will disagree - but if they saw what I mean and compared from before to finished they would change their mind.
I have polished paints and metals all my life using these papers.
Use only 0000 grade steel wool to finish in same manner. Practice on old knife.
Don't polish with Flitz or any metal polis or you will be back to gully Brightness again.
After that let your body fats / sweat from your fingers and evenly rub from Tang to tip every day - forget false Patina - that Carbon will do it by itself.

In saying all this I hate polishing old knives- but done carefully you will bring a polished look down to a Carbon Steel look.
 
Jd if you don't get that knife I will check mine - I know it's a fairly nice one - and if you fail in your bid I will gladly send you my one.
Let me know if you manage to obtain the knife or not.
 
A shame about the blade buff, but that looks like a decent knife to me :thumbup:

Duncan - Legend! :D :thumbup:
 
IMO, don't assume that blade is buffed. I would study it a while before I removed any original finish!!!
Nice looking knife!!!
 
Thats the best advice Charlie, forgive my talking about using paper on it - this is only if it were buffed.

Jd buffed or not I would still buy that knife - got your pm Sir and I will try to get some flicks this weekend for you.

If I am a legend for gifting one knife-what does this make you my friend after gifting HOW MANY!!!! :eek: :D
 
Thats the best advice Charlie, forgive my talking about using paper on it - this is only if it were buffed.

Jd buffed or not I would still buy that knife - got your pm Sir and I will try to get some flicks this weekend for you.

If I am a legend for gifting one knife-what does this make you my friend after gifting HOW MANY!!!! :eek: :D

Well,I got to agree with both you good men on the suggestions....I plan to look it over,and get
some pictures and more advice before I do anything as well.....

Campbell,that is a deep question,especially for me to answer....Im just coated with ADD.....It's so bad sometimes I'll read a
sentence 10 times and still not understand what it means.....As for friend,I sure hope we are friends....Though we never met
I'd like to have friends like you guys.....Not for what I can get in material things,but just to hang around with...I guess I've given more
knives to my son Jordan than anyone,but it is a joy to see someones smile when I do give them something.....Whether it be a model car,or
a diecast car,or real car parts.....I have given a few knives away in my life,but not alot because most of them are in my displays...My son enjoys
going with me to the flea market looking for knives,an other goodies...I've given him more than anyone...His collection is almost as many as mine...
He is my best friend on this here earth...My daughter is getting older,and drives now....Im Blessed to be around to see her grow up.....I've given
her several knives as well.....She use to Love collecting them too....But she has a SweetHeart now,and knives are further from her mind....She still
has everyone I've given her though...Since I started going to church back in the 90s,most of my so-called friends dissappeared......I don't go much
like I use to,and like I need to,and want to......But I try to be good people and tell others about Jesus just the same......
Hope that all makes sense,JD

P.S.Campbell I've read your question again and think I understand it now....If you are a legend then I would have to at least be a amateur because the
one knife you've given is most likely lots nicer than all i've given......I don't have that many really nice knives to most people....But I like them,and
that's all that matters......I try to post pictures of my nicest ones,the ones I consider nice anyway......Oh,I didn't realize you were offering as a gift?...I
was just hoping you didn't want too much for it.....I've saw your knives,and I know it's got to be nice if it's one of yours.....(what is the HJ pattern?)
 
Oh,and I didn't actually mean you've never given but one knife away...I've saw some
of your gifts I believe on here......Best I remember thay were all really nice...

Thanks friends for helpin me,and sharing all these beautiful pictures of knives....
This is my favorite thread for sure,
JD
 
JD Sir.
All good - I was meaning to say that my Camillus will be sent to you if you miss out on this one. I don't think it's quite as good ? I will have to dig it out- but it is a 4 line Cammy like this one shown.

I looked again at the photos of the blades and where you see the Reflection on the blade by the dark shadow you see pitting that's shiny in the pits- possibly an indication of Buffing. Like Charlie has said you won't know until you have it in hand.

Please let us know if you get the knife and like I say I will try to find my one and get a shot like you asked.
 
OK,got it yesterday and not sure if I want to keep it or not?....I need some advice.
Blades are not centered,and it looks to have been cleaned with one of those rust erasers maybe?....
I mean,it's still nice,never been sharpened far as i can tell,but did find some compound in cracks
from a polish I figure.....The pictures I purchased by look diffrent than knife,it actually looks a lil
less cleaned than pics made it look possibly?

I'd like to know what you collectors think a knife like this is worth?...Im not gonna tell what I paid for it.
I just think I may have paid too much,and can send it back if I did....But if it's worth what I paid,im
gonna possibly keep it......
I really don't know....Never had to decide this before....

I have more pics if anyone needs a specific?...Or I can maybe take a specific....

Thanks friends for your help.....I really mean it too,JD

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Thanks again for your input,JD
 
John Primble India Steel Works (1890-1940) Picked Bone Crown Jack with crisp half stops, three and five eighths inches closed length, stamped with very rare Primble shield on the bolster, crowned, threaded, and fluted pivot bolster:
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Bolster detail (re-filed the crown edge diagonal cuts as they were extremely faint from wear):
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Cattaraugus Model 32409 Jigged Bone Whittler, three and three eighths inches closed length, hammered pins - one of my very favorite old knives:
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Rob, STUNNING!!! both Whittler and Jack....but the bolster stamp is amazingly:cool::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

JD, fantastic Camillus:thumbup:
 
Primble my friend - lovely knife- man you don't get nicer Bolster and Cap than that do you! Whew!

JD. I wouldn't stress about the blades not being centred- it's a nice knife - only from what I can see in the photos it looks to have been polished - when you have a wee pit - they don't shine. But that's a real neat old 4 liner. They are not a huge dollar collectable so therefore people would not be looking so hard at the knife like you are - but collecting knives is a personal thing - if you aren't happy send it back. If you like it - keep it - the Patina will come back 👍
 
I know absolutely nothing about the value of old Camillus knives, but I do know that any knife is worth no more than what it is worth to you. If you think you might have paid too much, then maybe you should return it. If you are happy with the knife, who cares what someone else thinks it's worth. My 2¢.
 
John Primble India Steel Works (1890-1940) Picked Bone Crown Jack with crisp half stops, three and five eighths inches closed length, stamped with very rare Primble shield on the bolster, crowned, threaded, and fluted pivot bolster:
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3163o1g.jpg

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Bolster detail (re-filed the crown edge diagonal cuts as they were extremely faint from wear):
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1zmld1t.jpg


Cattaraugus Model 32409 Jigged Bone Whittler, three and three eighths inches closed length, hammered pins - one of my very favorite old knives:
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beautiful knives...where do all these old beautys come from?....
and thanks for all your input friends,jd
 
Catt Whittlers:
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Thank you Paul, Duncan, Gevo and JD for the comments. That is a very nice Camillus JD. I have one nearly identical to it. ;):)
 
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