Only Bark river passed knife tests !!!

LJK said:
Just wipe the blade off! If its just that simple I wonder why companies spend all that money producing all those different, expensive, kinds of stainless steels? Water is one thing SALT water another. But, I see your point. I'm betting those recon boys know how to take care of their stuff.
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Stainless steels are the perfect fit for our "throwaway" culture, wherein things have to look "new" or "pretty" lest they be branded garbage.

Most stainlesses don't perform as well as most carbon steels save for the corrosion factor. So rather than having to do the minor work to maintain a superior cutter, or put up with a less than shiny look, folks gravitate towards the easy to maintain--even at the known cost of performance. Stainlesses are good at not leaving metallic tastes behind in the kitchen I'll admit.

The Titanic sank in 1912. It is still recognizably down there, rusting away. Sure, dissolved oxygen works its reaction differently than a salt water+air oxidization cycle, but it is going to take a tremendous amount of neglect to make an A2 blade unusable in the field due to rusting issues.

Unless presenting something or themselves for inspection, I do not recall many Marines who were more concerned about the appearance of their gear as much as they concerned themselves with the performance of it when it counts.

They'll probably handle a good patina in stride.;)
 
HoB said:
Ender: I fail to see the contradiction in my argument? My argument was that a post on an internet forum is in most cases not a public announcement, and therefore is hardly to be taken as something published. That follows one meaning given Webster and Oxford dictionary. The other meanings are even more restrictive and it should be very clear that according the the other possible meanings of the word an internet post is not a published document. I may not be right, but I am pretty sure I am selfconsistent in my argument. I also think that clamoring for proof and documentation at every turn in a casual conversation impedes the conversation, but that is just me. And personally I don't pay enough attention to advertisments to be frustated by unsupported claims (and since I am a Cingular customer I have first hand experiences of how bogus that claim really is ;) ).
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Glad you came back at me there. You do have a valid point that I think I may have misunderstood! If I'm getting this right, you were saying that you shouldn't have to worry about composing a valid, scholarly, researched article to make a post in an online forum. And I wholeheartedly agree with and can see your point.

I think I got sidetracked somewhere there.
 
Exactly, Ender. That's precisely what I wanted to say. Even if you the head of a company you should be allowed to brag a little and share some excitement on an internet forum, without someone viewing the post as intentional mis- or underinformation or interpret the post as some "official information".
 
3Guardsmen,

Please don't call me dude. I'm not a dude. I have been here a lot longer than you have and have actually posted hundreds of times on different forums. Pay attention to Thombrogan and learn English before you criticize. I've read many posts written by Cliff over the years and have come to be very skeptical of his self proclaimed expertise. It's great that only Bark River passed the knife tests. They make excellent products that speak for themselves. Way to go, Mike.
 
We had a saying back when I was in the Non-Recon Marines. Who gives a (piece of excrement). I have not seen any MARSOC members chime in, so everything in this thread is opinion. Dudes.
 
Everything in this thread is not simply opinion.

For a fact, Bark River got a contract, for a special order on a knife the customer collaborated in designing. Anything else is our opinions as outsiders as to how we feel about that.

Opinion is a large and honored part of what these forums are for. People come here every day and ask for each others' opinions. :D
 
Rich_S said:
That having been said, without knowing the exact models tested, the nature of the tests, and the specific results by model, the test is about as worthwhile as a bunch of teenage car enthusiasts posting that they tested a bunch of sports cars and found the Mazda Miata to be the best by far.
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Wow, logic.

3Guardsmen said:
... consider a post, made by the President of a knife company, about unknown tests, conducted in an unknown environment, against unknown competitors' products, in which his product was chosen as superior, "real world testing"!:
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Wow, again.

LJK said:
I'm wondering how that uncoated A2 steel is going to hold up, corrosion wise, in those salt water enviroments Marines often work in?
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In terms of actual functional damage, not really a problem unless you leave it soaking in the water for hours at a time. Relevant issues for people who work on the water all the time, fisherman and such. However the edge retention will be low unless you rise/oil after every use, as corrosion will destroy the edge rapidly.

-Cliff
 
Yeah, I ain't the nobody running my suck about things that I have no control over, and frankly ain't none of my business. I didn't complete BRC, and I highly doubt if any reading this did either.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Opinion is a large and honored part of what these forums are for. People come here every day and ask for each others' opinions. :D
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Yes, it would be a boring place if everyone agreed all the time.

Too bad the disagreements seem to often include a little jab or downright insult. Arguments can be made just as easily without little jabs against the opposing viewpoint. It only takes just a little thought & self restraint. I won't say I am always successful myself in this area, but regardless an argument will be better received if done with restraint and reserve.

I like that DLC lists weights - that is just as important to me as dimensions in trying to imagine how a knife I haven't seen or held will feel and carry. I wish more retailers would list this - often I have to check mfg sites to get knife weights.
 
So this knife beat everyone in the tests and this knife is superior to others ?

There is defiantly some marketing going on here. The problem is we don't know the others names so it is very normal to ask this question.

I think when something like this comes up we all have questions about who when and where ?

The loyalist will always say it is so. There is usually no debating them since they are only one sided.

Unless someone comes forward who did the testing we may never know why and how they came to their conclusion and who was left in the dust.

I have never used any Bark River knives so I can't give an opinion on their knives.

I have seen the descriptions stating this test on sellers web sites about this test. So Bark River is using this for marketing to sell this knife to the public.
If this is legitimate then there is no harm in it. Their a company trying to sell
it's product. In this world of stiff competition you use every edge you can get.

Many will buy this knife based on this test that no one knows anything about.
and spread the propaganda by word of mouth. Again their is nothing wrong with this but many will ask questions and there is nothing wrong with this also.

I would like to know the facts about this test as many of you would before
I drop 200 bucks on this knife but I may never know and I may never buy
this knife. In the USA I am allowed to make up my own mind at least until Hilary gets in there.:mad:
 
No one will have to make their mind up about the Marines, marketing, or whether BRKTs are worth the modest sums demanded. The bigger barkies aren't around long enough for most fence sitters to even ponder.:D
 
This is a really popular thread. I find myself coming to this particular thread a lot lately owing to its popularity. Just about every time I do this, I usually find myself taking another look at the DLT site showing 13 lovely specimens of the Bravo-1 in all those glorious BRKT handle materials. Then I think - were there not only 2 of those Brovo-1's on the site when this thread was first posted? Then I look at the gameskeeper - 17 handles and think, yeah I really do like some of those slight differences of the Bravo-1. Like the virtual absence of a ricasso on the Bravo-1.

To make a long story short - I think this thread has done a lot more of selling me on the Bravo-1 than the original post and claims of the manufacturer. DLT's website also had something to do with it.

My Point - BF probably sells more knives than company marketing ploys...
 
kgd: I agree, BF sells a lot of knives. Forums are the place people go to get info and user opinions.
 
enderwiggin said:
That makes a lot of sense, thanks for clearing that up for me. I was told it was a mostly political change.
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Nope, not in the caliber selection, but in the pistol selection. The Beretta M9 was actually surpassed by some of the other pistols in the military trials when it came to durability and reliability. There were incidents of "catastrophic failure" with the slides cracking that bumped it down on the preference list for the testers. But, Senator D'Amato wanted Italians to win the contract, and lo and behold they did. And before I'm accused of being anti-Italian or anti-Beretta: Monica Bellucci is the most perfect woman in the world and I own a whole slew of Berettas. All the same, the Ruger and Sig Sauer entries to those trials were tougher and more reliable. I wonder where there's a link to those tests, it was an interesting read. I think I probably have my old Army Times tucked away where I read about it, but it's hard to post that.

Ah well--at least it's just a pistol; meaning the thing you use to try and fight your way to a real weapon. ;)
 
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