Only Bark river passed knife tests !!!

Cliff Stamp said:
The same promotional nonsense has been said about many other blades. The SOG SEAL 2000 for example was selected in one such test. If you want a meaningful report and not hype then you need what was done and what was the measurement criteria.

-Cliff
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I knew that a reply like this was coming from you. What's the matter Cliff, do YOU think that YOU can test the blades in REAL LIFE situations better than the actual units that will be using them? Some of this testing was done in the actual theatre it was intended for. Just another example of your bias being exposed.
 
Nice knife... I am partial to the green canvas micarta and I'd love to see it with big horn sheep scales, mosaic pins and a nice leather sheath..

It seems that the USMC came to the same conclusion that the Canadian Armed Forces did in the 1964. They've been issuing this Grohmann Jump Master Knife to the Airborne and Combat Engineers and others as the "do everything" knife and it's still issued. My buddy served in REME, was issued one and used it and abused it for everything.. After many years of service it still looks good and cuts as well.

I loved his so much (and proven) I ended up buying one and with the exception of Sambar scales instead of rosewood.. Perfect for hunting and everything else, and I love the size, while on my belt I don't even notice it's there, even when driving and wearing a seat belt. I love the overlap sheath.
 
Mr. Whitehorn,

That Grohman looks Long on Knife and short on Mall Ninja.

Seems that these Marines might have come to the same conclusion.

Jim
 
The Grohmann is an interesting design, with the blade angled down like that. It keeps your knuckles up off the cutting board on kitchen work. (I have a couple of Bark Rivers like that -- the Wolf River and Adirondack Guide :D)

Check out the Grohmann Bird & Trout. It's a light, slim version in the same style.
 
I have many Grohmann knives and have been to the factory (mom and pop shop) in Pictou Nova Scotia.. I have a nice set of kitchen knives and love them.. And steak knives..

I also have the model 1 in the original configuration which I haven't used yet.

I also have and use the model 4 as much as the jump master knife for hunting. High Carbon, Water Buffalo horn scales and overlap sheath.. A little bigger but I tend to rotate betweent the two when hunting in the fall..
 
Interesting. Personally, I like the original version better. What they ended up with, in my opinion is not an "integral guard" but a hump coverd with handle materiel. I think that the original guard seems a bit safer. I would actually pferer a version with a hidden tang and pressed/soldered or pinned on asstmetrical "double" guard that stuck up maybe 1/4 of an inch above the handle. But all in all, I'm very happy to see the Corps pick a real knife. I have several Mike S. era Blackjacks and one Bark River and they are about as good as it gets in the factory fixed blade market, IMHO:thumbup:
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Great, Cliff. YOU go to the Marines and tell them they have to publish their data. :D
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I have to agree with Cliff. No one is entitled to publish conclusions without also publishing their methods and data. At least no one is entitled to do so and have me take their conclusions seriously. Consumer Reports publishes their data and results -- why not the Marines? Since I am not a Marine (just a worthless ex-squid helicopter pilot), I have absolutely no idea whatsoever if their conclusions make any sense for my personal needs. I am sure the Marines who tested the knives found the right knife for them, but I'm not so sure they came up with the right knife for me.
 
I'm really excited to see that 'set' that was talked about. I'd give my left arm to get the Bravo/Mini-Canadian/firesteel setup. Wicked!
 
Let me make this simple for you.

The Marines aren't interested in selling you a knife, so they don't owe you technical details of their test procedures.

Bark River will have trouble keeping up with demand on this model, so they aren't worried about your opinion of its development, either.

On the other hand, you do have full access to the specs of the new knife. Forget the backstory and just look at size, style, materials, and reports by people who got one and tried it out. That should tell you all you really need to know about any knife you might like to buy.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
asfried2, ... don't buy one.
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Right -- I agree. Might buy one anyhow 'cause I really like Bark River, but I wish I had more to go on. Knew a LOT of Marines on active duty (really, no joke, my best friend is a Marine), and I really think they are a breed apart. Probably a failing on my part, but I never really thought I was a lot like them. I just wonder if I would agree with how they came to their conclusions and if they apply in any way to my needs. One thing to buy a knife because its a cool USMC knife, its another thing to buy a cool USMC knife because you need a good survival knife.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Let me make this simple for you.

The Marines aren't interested in selling you a knife, so they don't owe you technical details of their test procedures.

Bark River will have trouble keeping up with demand on this model, so they aren't worried about your opinion of its development, either.

On the other hand, you do have full access to the specs of the new knife. Forget the backstory and just look at size, style, materials, and reports by people who got one and tried it out. That should tell you all you really need to know about any knife you might like to buy.
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So then there was no point in announcing that the Marines chose this knife. They aren't selling them, and Bark River isn't supposed to be using the fact that they chose it as a selling point either. All that Mike needs to do is post specs.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Let me make this simple for you.

The Marines aren't interested in selling you a knife, so they don't owe you technical details of their test procedures.
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OK, cool, thanks for clearing that up. I guess I thought we were talking about real testing and a really good knife. I now get that this is just a celebrity endorsement like Lance Armstrong telling me to buy a Trek carbon fiber frame because he chose to ride on one and had a lot of imput into it's design. Lance is an unimaginably great athlete and Trek made the carbon fiber frame that he rode to victory SEVEN times. But I ride a titanium Serotta.

Lance doesn't have to publish his testing criteria and neither do the Marines. But Lance didn't have to pay for his bike -- I do.

And how much are the Marines paying for their knives?
 
asfried2 said:
One thing to buy a knife because its a cool USMC knife, its another thing to buy a cool USMC knife because you need a good survival knife.
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I like the Gameskeeper. I heard about an upgrade along the lines of what the Marines were looking for. (I had heard about their evaluation a while ago.) Now that I see the Bravo-1, yes, I like it. But I think I like the original as much or more. Specifically, the choil they don't need, I like. Especially with a heavy blade, I like the occasional precision I would get by choking up. I don't need the augmented flats of a sabre grind, either.

Still and all, if someone wants me to test one for a few years, send me either model! :D
 
geneepi said:
Would they stop laughing long enough to give him the data :D
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I'm pretty sure that if my squadron had tested say, aviation headsets, and concluded that only one had survived the testing, and we had then decided to partner with the manufacturer and let that manufacturer use us as an endorsement, we would have felt it appropriate to publish an article backing up our conclusions.
 
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