Only Bark river passed knife tests !!!

geneepi said:
Would they stop laughing long enough to give him the data :D
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Perhaps you guys have heard of the Freedom of Information Act? Unless the information falls into one of nine exemptions and three exclusions, they MUST release the information.

Here is the person you want to contact:

Teresa (Tracy) D. Ross
FOIA/PA Coordinator
Headquarters, U.S. Marine Corps [CMC (ARSF)]
2 Navy Annex
Washington, D.C. 20380-1775
telephone number: (703) 614-4008/3685
fax number: (703) 614-6287
e-mail address: rosstd@hqmc.usmc.mil

Sorry guys for introducing facts to your beatdown...;)
 
As someone who has never purchased a knife because of a celebrity or military endorsement, I don't really care.

The fact that Bark River's knife was chosen by some group is a cool turn of events for the company, and if it was my company I would undoubtedly be excited. I don't see what impact it is supposed to have on me, and have an even harder time seeing why anyone would argue about it.
 
Minjin said:
Perhaps you guys have heard of the Freedom of Information Act? Unless the information falls into one of nine exemptions and three exclusions, they MUST release the information.

Here is the person you want to contact:

Teresa (Tracy) D. Ross
FOIA/PA Coordinator
Headquarters, U.S. Marine Corps [CMC (ARSF)]
2 Navy Annex
Washington, D.C. 20380-1775
telephone number: (703) 614-4008/3685
fax number: (703) 614-6287
e-mail address: rosstd@hqmc.usmc.mil

Sorry guys for introducing facts to your beatdown...;)
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Wow, lets give minjin a gold star :rolleyes:

It was a joke, don't pat yourself on your back quite yet.
 
I've heard the military has a regulation that says servicemen are not allowed to use their position to endorse products....
 
I have been following the development of this knife since Mike first announced it. I have one on order but I don't have it in hand yet. I bought it because I like the manufacturer and the design.

I don't understand all the smack talk about the Marines testing. I would love to know what other knives they tested but to Mikes credit he is not publishing that information. I don't think that the information Mike did pass on is propaganda at all. He is proud of his company and well he should be. I see no problem with sharing that. I couldn't care less as far as all the scientific data about how they tested them. Maybe there is none. Maybe they used them side by side and simply went with what they felt worked best for their needs. I don't think they care if Mike sells a single Bravo 1 to the rest of us. Their motives are to procure what they want in a knife not to market them to the rest of us. So why would they have any great interest in publishing any information about their testing? They used their own personal money for the test knives. So why would anyone require them to publish why they chose the knife they did? I think they have better more important things to do with their time. The only thing that should be required of them is to do their job to the best of their ability and I hope the Bravo 1 helps them get it done!
 
Nobody is endorsing anything here. The Marines got the knife they wanted, end of story. BRKT was NOT involved in the testing, they were just the mfg. of the chosen knife.

It sure looks like a no nonsense good bushcraft knife, what do you think? BRKT will add it to its limited production runs in many handle materials and burl woods and sell it as any other knife in its vast line up.

Buy it if you like the design, there is a lot of thought behind it, you might agree with that group of Marines.


Robert

PS: I agree 100% with you bigox.
 
If suing the government under the Freedom of Information Act doesn't pan out, I'd suggest going to Barnes and Noble and picking up the current issue of Leatherneck Magazine

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The EXACT same promotional nonsense has been used to promote some of the lowest grade knives on the market. Just take a look at OFFICIAL "Navy Seal" (or whatever) knives. There are many that have passed some "tests" and are thus endorsed to some completely meaningless level.

As a sure sign the tests were useless is the fact that the knife didn't need to be sharpened. This shows that the usage was very low and NOT on FIELD GRADE material because such is ALWAYS used and full of grit and dirt as ANYONE who uses knives in such conditions knows.

The most you can say from such a test is that the knife which passed is just as good as the lowest knife to even pass such a trial. The Buck Solution for example was one such knife, I gave that to my brother, who used it IN THE FIELD as a carpenter and it was DESTROYED cutting some PINE in minutes.

The minute you start using some test as proof of quality then YES you have a responsibility to actually provide the data. It is only here where such nonsense is actually accepted. If you were going to buy a car would you accept such vague claims or would you actually ask how and what was actually evaluated?

Plus of course, how would someone like Lynn Thompson be reacted to if he posted similar about one of his knives. Would there be such a wide acceptance. No and this is obviously because this was done (you can check the forums) and everyone questioned exactly what was done and what way the results were measured.

-Cliff
 
asfried2 said:
I have to agree with Cliff. No one is entitled to publish conclusions without also publishing their methods and data. At least no one is entitled to do so and have me take their conclusions seriously. Consumer Reports publishes their data and results -- why not the Marines? Since I am not a Marine (just a worthless ex-squid helicopter pilot), I have absolutely no idea whatsoever if their conclusions make any sense for my personal needs. I am sure the Marines who tested the knives found the right knife for them, but I'm not so sure they came up with the right knife for me.
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THEY didn't publish anything, neither the Marines nor BRKT. And I am sure that the Marines can spend their money bloody well on anything they please. And their are by no means required to justify how they came spend their money in a certain way, at least not to you and neither to me, to suggest such a thing is absurd. Mike shared the happy news with some people he is friends or at least friendly with and shared how the B-1 came to be. Nothing more. Not even on a knife forum, I might add. There is no hype and no claims. Yes, it is a public forum, but there are some out there that do not consider a post on a forum that isn't even a company forum as "published". Many see the forums simply as a means to exchange your thoughts, ideas and opinions and to share good news as well as bad and nothing more. Myself included. It is not that BRKT made anywhere an official anouncement that blade A was better than blade B. I think nonsensical claims like these are exactly the reason why Mike S. was not willing to mention any names.

The only concrete piece of information is of indirect nature: A branch of the marines went looking for the right knife for them and apparantly were able to make their choice of what to test. After selecting what they thought was best, they were willing to put their money where their mouth is. Take that for what it is worth to you.
 
longbeachguy said:
If suing the government under the Freedom of Information Act doesn't pan out, I'd suggest going to Barnes and Noble and picking up the current issue of Leatherneck Magazine
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I checked it out. For a couple of reasons, I don't think the article in Leatherneck is referring to the same testing that selected the BRKT knife.

First, it refers to a different unit, not the Recon Training Unit.

Second, the article talks about a fixed blade combat knife; the Recon unit did NOT want a combat knife, they wanted a heavy duty bushcraft/survival knife.

Third, no BRKT knife is mentioned in the article.

YMMV
 
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