Opinions on Scandi for SHTF?

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This whole SHTF situation is just delusion. Pure delusion.

It's akin to orienting your life around preparing to be struck by lightning. Ludicrous.

If I were you, I would spend all of the energy you're wasting debating blade grinds for the end of the world and refocus it on something productive. Shoot, I'd wager that if everyone preparing for the end of the world redirected their time and energy towards bettering it, just maybe it wouldn't need to end in the first place.

In a SHTF scenario, you'll just end up being like the hopeless little noob waddling out into level one of a video game, untrained and unprepared, moments away from a humbling respawn. No matter what "training" you've undergone. Only in this game you only have one life.

Sheesh.

As an American, I think we in America are pretty tuned into the fact that the crap does in fact hit the fan regularly and we're pretty cool with that so long as we're standing on the upwind side of it and the crap hits other countries.

I see the whole prepper/SHTF/zombie thing as America's social awareness grappling with the reality that our infrastructure (political, physical, economic) is fragile, could collapse and that the cosmic fan we've been feeding could swing around and hit home. We regularly watch refugees struggle for life like we watch sci-fi movies - with a sense of reality disconnect. Only now, that disconnect is starting to break down.

That said, I completely agree with your conclusion. We should work together to make a better world.

... and keep a few Mora's tucked away.
 
This whole SHTF situation is just delusion. Pure delusion.

It's akin to orienting your life around preparing to be struck by lightning. Ludicrous.

If I were you, I would spend all of the energy you're wasting debating blade grinds for the end of the world and refocus it on something productive. Shoot, I'd wager that if everyone preparing for the end of the world redirected their time and energy towards bettering it, just maybe it wouldn't need to end in the first place.

In a SHTF scenario, you'll just end up being like the hopeless little noob waddling out into level one of a video game, untrained and unprepared, moments away from a humbling respawn. No matter what "training" you've undergone. Only in this game you only have one life.

Sheesh.

It's way too bad that I can't like a post more than once. I'd give this one a dozen.

The fact is, in a real emergency, a knife is way down the list of importance. And the whole prepper thing about taking to the hills and living like a mountain man is pure adolescent fantasy. Study history and you'll find even the mountain men depended on the spring rendezvous for re-supply and companionship. During trapping season they often banded together into 'companies' for mutual support and protection.

Our niece, who was serving in the U.S. Navy was part of the relief teams sent into Fukushima, Japan in the immediate aftermath of the big earthquake and following tsunami. As a communications specialist, she worked on helping get local communications going. This meant being out in the devastated zone stringing commo line and tracking down breaks in the existing damaged lines. What she saw first hand was interesting to say the least.

The single most important items she saw were the short D handle shovels the Japanese disaster workers carried. They were used as pry bars, shovels, axes with one edge file sharpened, and as a third leg scrambling among the rubble. Allie said she never thought a short shovel had so many uses.

The other biggie was plastic tarps. With no shelter, there was a dire need for getting people out of rain, cold and wind. Cheap plastic disposable painters tarps made a good weather proof shelter that cold be heated with a candle.

But lighters and matches were high on the list. Knives were far down, and Allie saw lots of Japanese people in makeshift shelters made from shower curtains and such, cutting cord from wreckage of venetian blinds and shades to use for cordage in making shelters in what was once their city. Apparently small SAK's are popular among the Japanese people as EDC items.

What was once made, will be made again. That's history. Let some big catastrophic event trash civilization, and people will just remake it. It may take a while, but a knife will be far down the list of needed items. Villages, towns, cities, all will be rebuilt with the survivors living among the rubble as it gets all put up again. They did it after the Goths burnt Rome, they did it after the big fire in London, the rebuilt Chicago after the fire and rebuilt San Fransisco after the big earthquake. They'll always rebuild. That's what people do.

Any disaster will be a short term thing. The idea of society falling apart and individuals taking to the woods to survive is all fantasy. Prepare sure. A good supply of canned goods in rotation, a nice set of hand tools like saws, axes, hammer, crow bar, and nails, candles, spare Bic lighters, and some Mora's are good. Mora's are cheap to buy and stockpile, and will make great trade goods, as will the more basic SAK's like the recruit. A scandi puuko will do just fine as a personal knife. Or just do what the old mountain men did; carry a plain old butcher knife for cutting and a tomahawk for chopping and you have all the bases covered. :thumbsup:
 
Not a bad idea to learn survival skills for fun and possible use in far less dramatic but equally important situations. I wouldn't waste much energy planning for a full blown disaster situation-too many possibilities and low likelihood that what you plan will be the actual situation, if one ever happens in your lifespan. If you have a good skill set maybe you will fair better. Your brain is still your best tool IMO.
 
....The fact is, in a real emergency, a knife is way down the list of importance. And the whole prepper thing about taking to the hills and living like a mountain man is pure adolescent fantasy. Study history and you'll find even the mountain men depended on the spring rendezvous for re-supply and companionship. During trapping season they often banded together into 'companies' for mutual support and protection.

Our niece, who was serving in the U.S. Navy was part of the relief teams sent into Fukushima, Japan in the immediate aftermath of the big earthquake and following tsunami. As a communications specialist, she worked on helping get local communications going. This meant being out in the devastated zone stringing commo line and tracking down breaks in the existing damaged lines. What she saw first hand was interesting to say the least.

The single most important items she saw were the short D handle shovels the Japanese disaster workers carried. They were used as pry bars, shovels, axes with one edge file sharpened, and as a third leg scrambling among the rubble. Allie said she never thought a short shovel had so many uses.

The other biggie was plastic tarps. With no shelter, there was a dire need for getting people out of rain, cold and wind. Cheap plastic disposable painters tarps made a good weather proof shelter that cold be heated with a candle.

But lighters and matches were high on the list. Knives were far down, and Allie saw lots of Japanese people in makeshift shelters made from shower curtains and such, cutting cord from wreckage of venetian blinds and shades to use for cordage in making shelters in what was once their city. Apparently small SAK's are popular among the Japanese people as EDC items.

What was once made, will be made again. That's history. Let some big catastrophic event trash civilization, and people will just remake it. It may take a while, but a knife will be far down the list of needed items. Villages, towns, cities, all will be rebuilt with the survivors living among the rubble as it gets all put up again. They did it after the Goths burnt Rome, they did it after the big fire in London, the rebuilt Chicago after the fire and rebuilt San Fransisco after the big earthquake. They'll always rebuild. That's what people do.

Any disaster will be a short term thing. The idea of society falling apart and individuals taking to the woods to survive is all fantasy. Prepare sure. A good supply of canned goods in rotation, a nice set of hand tools like saws, axes, hammer, crow bar, and nails, candles, spare Bic lighters, and some Mora's are good. Mora's are cheap to buy and stockpile, and will make great trade goods, as will the more basic SAK's like the recruit. A scandi puuko will do just fine as a personal knife. Or just do what the old mountain men did; carry a plain old butcher knife for cutting and a tomahawk for chopping and you have all the bases covered. :thumbsup:
Great post Jackknife. I found your comment about D-handled shovels and basic plastic tarps (the blue ones) to be interesting. Everyone needs to keep one of those shovels in their vehicle; flat one for the winter and spade for the warmer months.

All of the disaster scenarios are not totally fantasy. You speak of regional disasters, but the continent wide ones are the ones to worry about in terms of long term survival if it is possible. You can fix the regional ones over a period of years. Hopefully, the continent wide ones can be averted short of a meteor impact or super volcano. We may develop sufficient technology and understanding of these two scenarios to be able to take advance action to avert them. I'm hoping personally.

Yeah, I want a couple knives and guns but really don't think in terms of "trade goods". I'm not all worried about the grind, or even which knives for that matter. I just want to be able to cut a stick, rope, and food if I need to.
 
This whole thread was started by a guy who sharpens his knives with whatever rock he happens to step on. That's all I need to know.
 
All of the disaster scenarios are not totally fantasy. You speak of regional disasters, but the continent wide ones are the ones to worry about in terms of long term survival if it is possible. You can fix the regional ones over a period of years. Hopefully, the continent wide ones can be averted short of a meteor impact or super volcano. We may develop sufficient technology and understanding of these two scenarios to be able to take advance action to avert them. I'm hoping personally.

meteor impact? Super volcano?

If any of that happens, theres one hell of a lot to worry about more than what grind your knife is. Odds are, we're not even going to live through it, so all I want is a bottle of good bourbon to reflect on things with.

Yeah, the whole SHTF is fantasy stuff. I'll stick with the 'here and now' and deal with the other stuff with what I already have on me.
 
All of the disaster scenarios are not totally fantasy. You speak of regional disasters, but the continent wide ones are the ones to worry about in terms of long term survival if it is possible. You can fix the regional ones over a period of years. Hopefully, the continent wide ones can be averted short of a meteor impact or super volcano. We may develop sufficient technology and understanding of these two scenarios to be able to take advance action to avert them. I'm hoping personally.

I think there is a limit to the number of regional disasters a continental wide government/society can absorb. There are costs to rebuilding infrastructure and the problem of human displacement. The DoD places climate change as a top strategic threat to the US national security for this reason.

The one continental scoped disaster I think about the most is a cyber-attack on the national power grid. It's technically very feasible and estimates I've read on bringing the national grid back up are between 18 and 36 months. The major ripple effect would be gas/heating oil shortages, as those infrastructures assume a functioning power grid. The death tolls in cities would mount quickly as buildings taller than 5 stories (like hospitals) become non-functional.
 
The reality of it is that everyone should have a months supply of food and water for every family member and enough general supplies for the same amount of time. If the situation is bad enough that a months supply isnt sufficient to weather the storm to a degree in which better alternatives have presented themselves, you're probably dead or on your way there.

I wonder how many doomsday preppers have taken physical conditioning into account? Or psychological conditioning? Or emotional conditioning? Actual factors in survival far higher on the hierarchy of importance than blade grinds.

I'm m sorry but outside of a months food/water/imperatives I'm not willing to orient my life around prolonged survival, or in other words, a drawn out death. I'd urge others to consider the same.

A reasonable movement would be to inform and educate others to the extent that they are compelled to reasonably prepare. Like the aforementioned months supply protocol. If you think about it, that'd make the entire SHTF scenario a lot more manageable for everyone. A whole month of buffer and group think to work our way out of a disaster as a community. No desperate scrambling or lone wolfing.

Just a thought.
 
A 30 day food supply can be a significant amount depending on the number of people involved. But I think individuals are better equipped to plan ahead for something like this than a government or churches. It is the food rotation that is the problem from my point of view.

I think the US is probably in a better position to absorb such things, but it would result in many deaths nationwide quickly. Tis why the "government" needs to invest in protective measures whether it be for multiple EMP blasts or a cyber attack to the electric grid. I say "government" because it's probably too much for individual power companies to handle. But I feel sure some measures are already being taken.
 
I do know, for a fact, that a high altitude EMP could take out all non hardened electronics in the entire hemisphere.....

I also have first hand knowledge that scandi grind knives are impervious to the effects of an EMP....


Let that sink in...........








Anyone know where I can get a scandi grind knife?? All mine are either convex or v grind.... flat primary grind, or convex primary, or saber....or hollow....or hollow with convex....


I dont have any SCANDI.....and I am pretty sure I am screwed.....
 
Mora,and victorinox sak would go a long way,sak is even more usefull,has tools along with blades that are easy to sharpen and can be sharpened on almost anything.Butcher knives are way more usefull than many pple think and were used as camp ,bush,defense or any task available by people that relied on knife in old west and Alaskan wilderness,and all over the world.These knives were usually made of softer steel easy to sharpen.I used simple f.dick boning knife for camping hundreds of times and never had problem,same as my father and grandfathers that used various German butcher knives ,along with occasional solingen hunting or bowie made of 420 stainless or c70 carbon steel.All worked fine without any problems,especially old style German butcher knives in both rostfrei and carbon steel.
 
I do know, for a fact, that a high altitude EMP could take out all non hardened electronics in the entire hemisphere.....

I also have first hand knowledge that scandi grind knives are impervious to the effects of an EMP....
You better get that Scandi grind knife quick or you'll be out of luck. I need to re-read One Second After again, but I dislike reading books twice when I know the ending.
 
The idea of society falling apart and individuals taking to the woods to survive is all fantasy.
Especially in any decent sized city; 15,000+ people all headed for the same places with little or no supplies chasing the same poor last deer or rabbit. Meanwhile, the scavenger/marauders are hunting them for supplies and perhaps as food. :( Store a reasonable amount (you decide how much, for me/us 8-10 months) of all you think you might need (don't forget medicines, medical supplies) and STAY HOME with those supplies! :cool: After that (and before) PRAY! :thumbsup:
 
It developed in Scandinavia - and has presumably been used for quite some time before the introduction of “modern” conveniences. If SHTF is likely to be less technologically advanced than 1870 in Karelia, then I suppose a scandi grind might be a bad choice.
 
SHTF supply checklist:

-Scandi knife
-Sharpening stone
-10 lbs of beef jerky
-3 gallons of whiskey
-Fishin' pole
-Matches
 
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