Outrage: NYC DA Shakes Down Knife Retailers

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swamp said:
I am sorry, but you don't feel with me if your for small arms control. Period.
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I know a lot of you feel strongly for that point. Here in Norway we got a very strict legislation, and even if I personally am responsible enough and would LOVE to have a few small arms for shooting targets I do understand why we have these laws (just a handful shootings each year). We're so far apart in terms of upbringing and culture on this issue that its really a waste of time to discuss it .

I merely was saying "well, guns I CAN understand (as every little punk with a bad attitude becomes master of the universe with a gun) but knives is going too far". Mkay?
 
ChrisIhao said:
I know a lot of you feel strongly for that point. Here in Norway we got a very strict legislation, and even if I personally am responsible enough and would LOVE to have a few small arms for shooting targets I do understand why we have these laws (just a handful shootings each year). We're so far apart in terms of upbringing and culture on this issue that its really a waste of time to discuss it .

I merely was saying "well, guns I CAN understand (as every little punk with a bad attitude becomes master of the universe with a gun) but knives is going too far". Mkay?
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No but no offense. You're welcome to your opinion and I've got no clue what Norway is like. In my mind, it's still full of big guys, interesting beards and battle axes. :D

Here in the USA though, our Constitution explicitly forbids tyrants in our government from infringing our right to keep and bear arms. Even if it didn't, outlawing arms (firearms or otherwise) is silly in that it disarms victims but not the criminals. It's ludicrous to expect someone willing to ignore laws against murder and theft to suddenly obey anti-weapon laws.
 
To me it's a basic logic issue: if someone denies me the means to defend myself (guns, knives, etc) they are basically taking sides with my enemy, i.e. the common criminal thugs.

Also, I suspect those in power need crime and criminals to exist, because the criminal industry provides a lot of jobs, a lot more power for them, a lot more taxes to collect. In other words, if our govt could get rid of all crime tomorrow, they would not want to do it.
 
tom19176 said:
The path he took to solve the issue is what has all of us the most upset. He has included legal knives as illegal, and he sort funds from large ( and small) companies not as fines for a guilty plea, but as a payment to avoid charges! That does not seem fair or even legal.
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That sounds like official misconduct, bribery and extortion all wrapped up in one convenient package. Saying "pay me several thousand dollars or face criminal charges" is a prosecutable offense if any other law enforcement officer did it, so why not the DA? The fact that he is apparently doing this publicly to further a political agenda should not shield him from prosecution. However, since Vance IS the prosecution in NYC this matter will probably need to be handled by the Feds . . . and I doubt they'll even want to bother with it.

QUESTION: The funds he receives from these shakedowns -- how are they distributed?
 
GingivitisKahn said:
Here in the USA though, our Constitution explicitly forbids tyrants in our government from infringing our right to keep and bear arms. Even if it didn't, outlawing arms (firearms or otherwise) is silly in that it disarms victims but not the criminals. It's ludicrous to expect someone willing to ignore laws against murder and theft to suddenly obey anti-weapon laws.
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The critical concept to understand is that our rights are endowed by our creator; God, and are inalienable--they cannot be removed by man. This is why basic religious values are so important to a civil society. An individual's rights and freedoms are given to him, and everyone else, by God and cannot be taken away by the government. Therefore, one of the first targets of totalitarian regimes is always religion.

Criminals do not want their victims to fight back--they are counting on not having any consequences to their actions. Corrupt governments also do not want the public to be able to resist their actions or impose consequences, either.
 
Our friend in Norway fails to mention that, while they might not have handguns, they hunt moose with silencers on their rifles. That would go over really great in this country.
 
Has anyone heard of other retail stores affected by this story? Anyone get arrested or know of a friend etc, who has been arrested, in the past few weeks? I am interested in reading about the topic of this thread, instead of what happens in norway.
 
joe-bob said:
The critical concept to understand is that our rights are endowed by our creator; God, and are inalienable--they cannot be removed by man. This is why basic religious values are so important to a civil society. An individual's rights and freedoms are given to him, and everyone else, by God and cannot be taken away by the government. Therefore, one of the first targets of totalitarian regimes is always religion.

Criminals do not want their victims to fight back--they are counting on not having any consequences to their actions. Corrupt governments also do not want the public to be able to resist their actions or impose consequences, either.
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Absolutely correct in every respect. Well spoken!
 
I live just north of NYC in Westchester. I think it's pretty obvious that Vance is merely trying to make it look like he's "doing something" about crime - even though crime in most areas of the city is fairly low. He knows his actions won't have any real effect on crime. He just wants to make a show of it for his own political gain. There isn't enough of a knife culture in NYC to create a backlash. What a shame.

Jordan
 
jnich67 said:
There isn't enough of a knife culture in NYC to create a backlash. What a shame.

Jordan
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Those stores must have been keeping the doors open by selling to someone. Don't pass ideas lacking in hope. Take action and voice your opinion. You don't have to be in the city to voice your outrage at this story. You will be surprised at the difference it can make. DO NOT BECOME ONE OF THE SHEEPLE!

The next step is for vance to attack outside of the city and go statewide via other DA's. He states this during one of the press releases.

It can happen, which is absolutely scary! Please don't give up so easily.
 
sandbar said:
Those stores must have been keeping the doors open by selling to someone. Don't pass ideas lacking in hope. Take action and voice your opinion. You don't have to be in the city to voice your outrage at this story. You will be surprised at the difference it can make. DO NOT BECOME ONE OF THE SHEEPLE!

The next step is for vance to attack outside of the city and go statewide via other DA's. He states this during one of the press releases.

It can happen, which is absolutely scary! Please don't give up so easily.
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Oh, I haven't thrown in the towel. I'll continue to donate to the cause and will write letters when the time comes. I was just shocked that more wasn't made of what happened in the media here.

Jordan
 
jnich67 said:
Oh, I haven't thrown in the towel. I'll continue to donate to the cause and will write letters when the time comes. I was just shocked that more wasn't made of what happened in the media here.

Jordan
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I totally agree with you. I am glad to hear you will stand with us, when the time is right.
 
I drive into NYC quite often.I've been remembering lately to unclip & pocket my folder.

I don't know if I could keep my cool if they confiscated/stole(same thing IMO) my 400-500$ custom.I would ask for a receipt & I would most likely be arrested for asking for that receipt.What BS.How could me asking for a receipt get me arrested?
That's almost the same as being found automatically guilty of a DWI for refusing a breathalyzer.Sure you have the right to refuse,but if you choose to exercise that right,we're going to make you wish you didn't.:jerkit:
BTW,I don't drink but when I used to,I never drank & drove.
 
jnich67 said:
I live just north of NYC in Westchester. I think it's pretty obvious that Vance is merely trying to make it look like he's "doing something" about crime - even though crime in most areas of the city is fairly low. He knows his actions won't have any real effect on crime. He just wants to make a show of it for his own political gain. There isn't enough of a knife culture in NYC to create a backlash. What a shame.

Jordan
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More than that - he's participating in the crime. Extortion isn't ok.
 
joe-bob said:
The critical concept to understand is that our rights are endowed by our creator; God, and are inalienable--they cannot be removed by man. This is why basic religious values are so important to a civil society. An individual's rights and freedoms are given to him, and everyone else, by God and cannot be taken away by the government. Therefore, one of the first targets of totalitarian regimes is always religion.

Criminals do not want their victims to fight back--they are counting on not having any consequences to their actions. Corrupt governments also do not want the public to be able to resist their actions or impose consequences, either.
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I would advise you against making such blanket anti-atheist statements like that unless you're willing to provide research to back up those claims.

The key thing to remember is, outlawing folding knives sounds like a good idea on paper and is all the more impressive to the ignorant public. What needs to be done is to point out that majority of actual knife attacks are carried out with the knives in your typical kitchen.
 
elkins45 said:
...In NY the people who recognize the legitimacy of the 2nd Amendment are a tiny minority...
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Right...I guess you canvassed NY State and took a count? What sources can you cite to legitimize this pronouncement? The majority of the New Yorkers I meet support gun rights. Except for one Manhattan lawyer I met at a wake who said..."Guns scare me...that's why I don't have them." To which I replied, "People scare me...thats why I have guns."
 
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