Outrage: NYC DA Shakes Down Knife Retailers

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Sidehill Gouger said:
Our friend in Norway fails to mention that, while they might not have handguns, they hunt moose with silencers on their rifles. That would go over really great in this country.
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Hehe. 90 percent of my family are hunters so I'm pretty familiar with the concept. Participated sometimes myself, but got too many other hobbies (like fishing and music) so I just dont have the time.

Anyhow, no one I know have used silencers while hunting for moose. It has become more and more usual across the country though (the argument is to spare the hearing of the dogs, and not having to use hearing protection). Now, I dont know if using silencers is worse than using automatic rifles though.. ;)

CitizenQ said:
"Guns scare me...that's why I don't have them." To which I replied, "People scare me...thats why I have guns."
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See, thats why we arent as afraid of people here. Only a select few active competition shooters have guns. I would probably have a totally different view on things if "everybody" had guns, as then I would feel a need to protect myself and my own people.

Anyhow, I DID say what I initially said to support you regarding KNIVES, so lets keep it that way ;)
 
NY City government has become the Mafia and is charging 'Protection' fees to operate in their town.
 
Noctis3880 said:
What needs to be done is to point out that majority of actual knife attacks are carried out with the knives in your typical kitchen.
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I'm not sure that's the best route to take. We could all end up "cutting" our steaks with plastic butterspatulas. ;)

Seriously, though. I think you're right. I would bet the VAST majority of stabbings/slashings/knife crime incidents involve either a kitchen knife, scissors, or a screwdriver.
 
mhawg said:
NY City government has become the Mafia and is charging 'Protection' fees to operate in their town.
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That's awesome you are a 100% right. Don Bloomberg runs this town!!!

chopchop said:
I'm not sure that's the best route to take. We could all end up "cutting" our steaks with plastic butterspatulas. ;)

Seriously, though. I think you're right. I would bet the VAST majority of stabbings/slashings/knife crime incidents involve either a kitchen knife, scissors, or a screwdriver.
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That is just not true, of all the criminals I see running around slashing and stabbing people all of them are carrying customs, benchmade's and spydies...quality is not expensive it's priceless. I am sure those hardworking criminals buy nothing but the best tools for their trade ;) It only makes sense by the pictures NYC shows us of illegal knives or by the seedy illegal business practices of criminal supply shops like Paragon Sports;)

Paragon sports in case anybody has not heard that name sells everything from skateboards to kayaks, has a very knowledgeable staff and quality merchandise and yes a collection of high end custom knives that reads like a who's who of custom makers and also high end production knives. No five dollar street corner specials to be had there. Yet they were one of the ones listed as underattack by Don Bloomberg's personal hit squad.
 
This sounds like extortion to me! I think the guy just wants to get re-elected and thinks this is a good way to bring attention and votes his way. What's he going to start prosecuting construction sites next, because they have pipe on the property, that can kill people. What is he doing to car manufacturers and people that own vehicles? I think those still kill more people every year than anything else does! But, the main point is, that guns, knives, pipes, vehicles or anything else don't kill people, it's the people that pick those items up and use them to kill people that's the problem! Instead of wasting all this time and the tax payers dollars playing these games, why doesn't this guy do his job which is to fight the crime that happens in the street, and prosecute the people that committ these crimes. I think that would be time and money well spent, instead of harrassing honest businesses and citizens that should and do (according to the Supreme Court) have the right to carry a gun, or pocket knife or anything else they want to carry, as long as they committ no crimes with it! This guy sounds like our era's Joseph McCarthy to me!

There's my two cents worth, and thanks for letting me express it. Thank God we still have the right to say and think what we like! If it is up to this man, we probably won't for very much longer!

JK#36
 
This is extortion, pure and simple. Forcing companies to pay in order to avoid prosecution?!?

These are neither switchblades, balisongs, nor gravity knives!!!! Notice in the video that even the salesman opens each blade just a little before flicking them open.

"Are they dangerous"? "I've almost taken my fingers off with this one". Well, I should hope so. It's a KNIFE, isn't it?!?

"Are they legal"? This is nonsensical!!!!!!! This is where the editing comes into play. You can see where the video was stopped and started. On top of that, knife laws are created to be confusing. Where I live, not only is there state law, but each city imposes their own as well. Anyone behind that knife counter should know the laws where they are selling!!!! Enough said!

I work with a guy who was violently attacked by a knife wielding psycho. Yes, he has some really nasty scars on his face and neck to prove it. He laughed when I pulled out my Spyderco Meerkat (legal everywhere in CA, at least). The guy who attacked him used an 8" chef's knife. That's what these punks don't tell the public. I don't have cold hard facts, but I'd be willing to bet that most knife attacks are with kitchen cutlery. Sure, I own some great, expensive folders, but if I wanted to kill someone I'd use a BIG fixed blade. Yes, I own a couple of machete's and just picked up the ESEE Junglas, but for most people, this would be their Chef knife!

Please join http://www.kniferights.org and donate just a little!! This WILL affect all of us! Knives are tools, not weapons, even if these jerks paint them that way!
 
mhawg said:
NY City government has become the Mafia and is charging 'Protection' fees to operate in their town.
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This is a simple yet powerful statement.

I am loving reading and seeing the mass, fired up about this subject. This is an EXTREMELY serious matter and will make the customs knife grab that was attempted last summer, seem like a piece of cake.

Do not forget to support akti.org and kniferights.org I make nothing for mentioning these support groups. I mention them, because you need to know about them, because they are who will fight, to keep that knife in your pocket.

Now open the other pocket and give them a penny, nickel, dime, quarter, dollar, old gold, your sister, your brother, anything of decent value. LOL Ok keep your sister / brother, but seriously guys / gals Don't forget your wallet is louder, than your mouth or your posts, can ever be.

Yes, I have supported "$$" and spoke with doug ritter personally and he is a great guy and actively addressing this issue.
 
This guy is off his rocker stark raving mad.

And may I just say, inertia is not the same as gravity gosh darnit, maybe they should spend the money they're extorting on some physics books.

Pull out the wallets and donate to kniferights.org! Before the fist mongers and longshortman have to start sharpening their teeth before they come into work.
 
I am beginning to wonder, if Cy Vance is simply trying to get attention "negative or not" because how can a team of lawyers, go after items "knives", they know nothing about? I honestly don't buy this theory, but this is only opinion.

How is it possible that nobody has caught on? A slow process, but many suffer in the meantime.
 
sandbar said:
I am beginning to wonder, if Cy Vance is simply trying to get attention "negative or not" because how can a team of lawyers, go after items "knives", they know nothing about? I honestly don't buy this theory, but this is only opinion.

How is it possible that nobody has caught on? A slow process, but many suffer in the meantime.
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You are assuming that logic and facts have any place at the table set by Vance. They do not. Also, make no mistake about it, many among his ADAs are "true believers." They don't care what the facts are, even if they were aware of them and we're not convinced they are. The ends justify the means. You must understand the enemy to defeat him.

Our goal is to eventually straighten out his twisted lies, but he is adept at making opposing his efforts difficult and expensive. It will not be simple and it will take a lot of time and money.
 
Critter said:
You are assuming that logic and facts have any place at the table set by Vance. They do not. Also, make no mistake about it, many among his ADAs are "true believers." They don't care what the facts are, even if they were aware of them and we're not convinced they are. The ends justify the means. You must understand the enemy to defeat him.

Our goal is to eventually straighten out his twisted lies, but he is adept at making opposing his efforts difficult and expensive. It will not be simple and it will take a lot of time and money.
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I completely agree! This is a nasty story to swallow and or view. Hopefully more people woll see this forum and help us to fight the great fight. I am so very upset by this and the many stories like it. I suppose I needed to vent. Doug, I already know, you are on top of it and I am so very glad to be a helping hand. If there is a possibility for change, you will help make it happen.

I have searched the net and haven't found many stories on this issue as of the past few weeks. It seems this may be in limbo "on the da's part". Maybe vance had no idea, how many wouldn't just sit around and accept the attack.
 
this kind of stuff, just like people trying to do anti-gun shiznick is just a load of crap, and frankly unconstitutional.

on top of kniferights, also support the NRA. They don't just fight for your right to own guns; They fight for your right to own knives, and just about anything outdoors related.
 
stealthchaser13 said:
this kind of stuff, just like people trying to do anti-gun shiznick is just a load of crap, and frankly unconstitutional.

on top of kniferights, also support the NRA. They don't just fight for your right to own guns; They fight for your right to own knives, and just about anything outdoors related.
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I could be wrong, but didn't they step in on the customs grab from last year? I also support the NRA. This is done with money not knowing the name either and mentioning it. Would you agree?

Just for the record, I hope this doesn't start subject matter geared towards guns, but your point is valid. This subject is about the new york knife grab.
 
Sorry I forgot to add, it is very nice to read a post from a New Yorker who is directly affected by this story. Have you heard anything in your local market, concerning other stores being hit up for a money grab?
 
sandbar, in other NY areas, there does not seem to be any change. I have been in several stores in the last two weeks and most still have their long standing normal stock items for sale. I did notice the Kmart in Staten Island had no knives in their sporting goods case as the hooks were empty. Did they sell out or remove them? I am not sure. The bigger issue is the growing list of dealers/wholesellers who may not send any knives to NY out of fear of violateing the long list of knives that may or may not be illegal. That could slow or stop supplies to dealers who sell in areas where the local DA does not view the law as the NYC DA does.
 
tom19176 said:
sandbar, in other NY areas, there does not seem to be any change. I have been in several stores in the last two weeks and most still have their long standing normal stock items for sale. I did notice the Kmart in Staten Island had no knives in their sporting goods case as the hooks were empty. Did they sell out or remove them? I am not sure. The bigger issue is the growing list of dealers/wholesellers who may not send any knives to NY out of fear of violateing the long list of knives that may or may not be illegal. That could slow or stop supplies to dealers who sell in areas where the local DA does not view the law as the NYC DA does.
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Emerson just announced that they won't ship or sell to residents of NY state, and surprisingly enough EBossHoss just did the same.
 
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It's almost unbelievable what is happening in NYC. That Emerson announcement kind of stunned me. However; it's really no surprise and in all likelihood a decision based on sound legal advice. I noticed in the parallel thread running about some dealers no longer shipping to NY that some folks seemed to think the dealers were overreacting. I think for the near-term we should expect that virtually no dealer or manufacturer is going to ship to NY. The situation is that serious. While I'm sure that many knife dealers make a comfortable living, I'm also sure that no knife dealers are going out and buying Bentley's either. Fighting a lengthy legal battle against the DA's office could certainly bankrupt many dealers (and manufacturers)- and that's before you pay any fines if you lose. A larger chain like a Home Depot or a Bass Pro Shops or something might have the resources to actively fight something like this but think about knives and what a tiny, tiny, tiny part of their overall sales knives might be. An executive at a larger company would look at those sales numbers for knives in NY State and look at a legal billing estimate and it would be a pretty easy decision from a financial standpoint. Until there is some clarity as to exactly what is going on here, I would agree with any dealer/manufacturer who stops shipping to NY, it's just not worth it at this juncture.

Who this is really going to hurt is the smaller dealer who doesn't really sell anything but knives as well as of course anyone who wants to buy a knife and happens to live in NY, or at least in NYC. This is a sad, sad time for this industry and our hobby. I think the best thing right now is to take a deep breath, relax...join Kniferights.org (I did a few weeks back). I think they are brainstorming over there and before any action can be taken a solid plan needs to be developed and options need to be explored. Hopefully this can be successfully challenged but a knee-jerk reaction probably isn't going to do it.
 
As a resident of Westchester County who works in NYC, I can say without reservation that unless you are a banker, NY is absolutely, without question, the worst state in which to live for quality of life.

I would leave this state *immediately* if I could find a job in another state that allowed my family to maintain our current standard of living. I have been looking for an equivalent position for a couple of years now without luck. I am basically trapped. If I didn't have a family to support, I would have been long gone.

Don't get me wrong, NYC and Westchester have a lot to offer, but the costs so so outweigh the benefits for a family unless you are making serious bank (>$500k plus a year, IMO).
 
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