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Pacific Salt saves my dog from being mauled to death...
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Yep steven - that must have been it
Thanks for all the supportive messages too my good knifebuddies - all in all it was a nasty two days and to be able to share and laugh about it with you guys has been a tonic.
I agree...but I also agree with what was done. The owner is the one who should get kicked for being a dumbass. I would do the same to save my dog and I love dogs.
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Ming..,
I glad you did save your dog. He/she is part of your family. I have a small Rat Terrier and we walk everyday the same path and have for over 7yrs. Now within the last 6 mos. is seems that a bunch of people who think it's cool to own viscious dogs have moved into my neighberhood. There is one pit bull in paticular that even tried to come through the window of his apartment to get to my dog and me. SO:
On my walks I carry a 4'piece or rattan with a Cold Steel Bushman attached to the top of it. So far I have kept one pit bull at bay with the blade end until I could get the owner to contain his damn pit bull. Twice we were attacked by a pair of chow chows running loose, the first time they came into my back yard and would not let me get close enough to close my gate so I took a shovel to that one and drove him off. The second time they both came after me and my dog I finally had to unsheath the Bushman and rap one of the dogs accross the top of the nose and drew some blood and drove them off.
When I still had our Rottweiler we used to go for a walk at night after I got home from swing shift and one night a huge pit bull came after me from 5 houses away and my Rott. stepped between the pit bull and me and tore up some dog meat. I am sad to say that our old Rott finally had to be put to sleep because of his hind legs going out and he had to drag his back legs to walk. Some time I still cry over that hero dog when I think of him.
enough is enough,
Ciao
Ron
I glad you did save your dog. He/she is part of your family. I have a small Rat Terrier and we walk everyday the same path and have for over 7yrs. Now within the last 6 mos. is seems that a bunch of people who think it's cool to own viscious dogs have moved into my neighberhood. There is one pit bull in paticular that even tried to come through the window of his apartment to get to my dog and me. SO:
On my walks I carry a 4'piece or rattan with a Cold Steel Bushman attached to the top of it. So far I have kept one pit bull at bay with the blade end until I could get the owner to contain his damn pit bull. Twice we were attacked by a pair of chow chows running loose, the first time they came into my back yard and would not let me get close enough to close my gate so I took a shovel to that one and drove him off. The second time they both came after me and my dog I finally had to unsheath the Bushman and rap one of the dogs accross the top of the nose and drew some blood and drove them off.
When I still had our Rottweiler we used to go for a walk at night after I got home from swing shift and one night a huge pit bull came after me from 5 houses away and my Rott. stepped between the pit bull and me and tore up some dog meat. I am sad to say that our old Rott finally had to be put to sleep because of his hind legs going out and he had to drag his back legs to walk. Some time I still cry over that hero dog when I think of him.
enough is enough,
Ciao
Ron
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Great job, Ming. I'm sure to some degree you were operating on autopilot, still there are a great many people who wouldn't have stepped into the breach in such a courageous manner. And I also understand Jill's sentiment regarding holding the owner responsible. Unfortunately, that's not the world we live in today. And in this particular instance that dog needed to be hurt, and hurt badly. You would have been well justified in inflicting even greater damage.
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Now we are going to get into post about how huge pitbulls attacked me and my such a such a breed jumped in and saved the day. :jerkit:
why the attitude?
muzzleup just posted about an incident that involved vicious dogs that were running amuck.........
if it were me i would have blown its little brain out the back of its little head.
Jill Jackson, et al, is right. The dogs need to be put down. Ming65 was justified in killing the one closest and any of the others who got close enough.
In 1987, while living in Southern California, I was called for jury duty. Due to my profession, they nixed me on every criminal trial, but eventually picked me to serve on a civil case.
A bike rider had to hop off his bike and fend off a dog, in the street, that came out of its yard to attack him. He was using the bicycle pump and when the dog grabbed it, instead of pulling it away, the bike rider shoved as hard as he could, forcing the pump into the dogs mouth and halfway down its throat.
The dogs owner came out and this started a fistfight while the injured dog, choking and sputtering, returned to the yard. The homeowner filed a civil suit against the bike rider. The dog suffered damage to the larynx or whatever is down there. There were vet bills and all kinds of such crap.
We ruled unanimously for the bike rider. It was the owners responsibility to keep the dog in the yard. During deliberation (which didn;t take long) we mused about how we would decide IF the bike rider had killed the dog. Everyone agreed, the bike rider had every right to protect himself, by ALL MEANS AT HIS DISPOSAL. And the fact that he kicked the homeowners ass was an added benefit.
In 1987, while living in Southern California, I was called for jury duty. Due to my profession, they nixed me on every criminal trial, but eventually picked me to serve on a civil case.
A bike rider had to hop off his bike and fend off a dog, in the street, that came out of its yard to attack him. He was using the bicycle pump and when the dog grabbed it, instead of pulling it away, the bike rider shoved as hard as he could, forcing the pump into the dogs mouth and halfway down its throat.
The dogs owner came out and this started a fistfight while the injured dog, choking and sputtering, returned to the yard. The homeowner filed a civil suit against the bike rider. The dog suffered damage to the larynx or whatever is down there. There were vet bills and all kinds of such crap.
We ruled unanimously for the bike rider. It was the owners responsibility to keep the dog in the yard. During deliberation (which didn;t take long) we mused about how we would decide IF the bike rider had killed the dog. Everyone agreed, the bike rider had every right to protect himself, by ALL MEANS AT HIS DISPOSAL. And the fact that he kicked the homeowners ass was an added benefit.
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He didn't say they was pitbulls. Right away people start in on pitbulls and how a huge one attacked and old faithful gentle Lassie jumped in and saved the day. Pitbulls are not bad dogs they are much less inclined to attack a person than most other breeds unless they are trained to be mean. Even then its not easy to make them attack humans as they was not bred to. I just know a bit about dogs and fighting breeds and its not even a purebred pit that is involved in most of these things people tell. But I do know if a huge pitbull attacked and it was a real true pit fighting dog no rottie is going to tear up some dog meat. There's a reason the pitbull is used in illegal pit fights and not rotts. Its called gameness, I'm sorry but I always notice online people use the big bad pitbull as an example of everything that can be bad about dogs. When the real truth is the dogs are not at all evil or bad. They do need to be controlled, like any other large breed of dog. But they was bred to fight and people that talk about their dog whipping up on a huge one probably know little about if it was really a pitbull that attacked. I don't fight dogs or believe in it but believe me where its legal (Japan) there's two breeds that they found will fight in the pits. That's the American Pit Bull and the Japanese Tosa. Both breed to fight. They tried a lot of breeds and those was all that suited the purpose. Sure he should have shot the dogs if they attacked his. I didn't say that I just know how people take off on pitbulls no matter what kind of dog was involved.
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Unbelievable. I didn't realize there were any states left that allow sane people to be jurors.
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So you will know the truth about dogs fighting ability. Here it is from people in Japan. 1. AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER (APBT)--whether you call it the pit bull, pitbull, Pitt bull, pitbull, pit bull dog, pitbull dog, pit bulldog, Pitt bulldog, fighting pit dog, pit fighting dog or any other imaginable spelling the "pit bull" (correct spelling) is the king of all fighting breeds. In fact the pit bull is the only breed EVER consistently used for professionally staged, moneyed pit matches in much of the world. (Exceptions to this would be the Japanese Tosa Inu, which has been partially displaced by the APBT even in Japan and the Owtscharka type fighting breeds of Afghanistan/Pakistan and other middle Asian countries.)
The fact is no other breed has the gameness or ability to consistently stand up to the APBT in an even weight fighting contest. (You may have heard of a pit bull losing an occasional street or backyard fight against this breed or that but we are talking about "professionally conducted" pit matches in this context. Poorly bred, amateurishly handled pit bulls may lose to another breed once in awhile, just as a sorry horse may lose a race to a mule occasionally but we are talking breed generalities here.)
When all the evidence is examined there is simply no breed on earth with the documented, PROVABLE pit history of the APBT, which has been used for at least 150 years in moneyed pit matches from England and Ireland back in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries to today, a time in which the breed has spread literally all over the world.
[ It is difficult, even for one who is familiar with the APBT's fighting history to rate most other breeds in order as they have been used so seldom in actual pit fighting contests. Most encounters are of the amateur "street corner" nature and simply are not very definitive concerning the gameness and ability of the respective breeds. Therefore the rest of the breeds in this list may or may not be rated accurately and actual results would probably vary greatly depending upon the relative gameness and ability of individuals within each breed considered.]
# 2. TOSA INU: My choice for # 2 is the Tosa Inu of Japan. It is really the only breed that has been matched, occasionally successfully, against the pit bull. In the 1960's Japanese dog fighters imported some very good APBTs into Japan. As the pit bull is a much smaller dog than the average Tosa the Japanese dog men were quite impressed with its abilities and gameness. Pit bulls were often able to overcome the Tosa dogs' size and weight advantage and best them at their own game although in the early going some pit bulls were disqualified for making "noise" which was against the Japanese standards. Japanese rules also had a time limit of 1/2 hour and the dogs were judged on a point system all of which was favorable to the big Tosas which could control the match with their size and weight until the time ran out.
Eventually the Japanese pit bull fanciers broke away from the Tosa fanciers and started their own dog fighting league using just APBTs as they considered them much more interesting and exciting to watch. ( FYI, the Japanese do not fight their dogs for money but for "honor" and "prestige" and hold their champion fighting dogs in very high regard treating them almost as royalty.)
# 3. AMERICAN BULLDOG: Now it gets harder. I would have to award # 3 to the American Bulldog for although it has not ever been fought much in moneyed pit contests it is a very large, strong and tenacious breed and definitely has a degree of gameness which has been attained from its use in hog-hunting and large-animal catch work. Can it stay with the APBT in a conditioned fight? Not really. Certainly not at even weights which is the real test of a breed's fighting mettle.
A good friend who had tried his ABS against some of his own APBTs told me the AB will just hold onto a skin hold and think he is fighting while the APBT tears him up. This is fairly typical of "catch dogs" as that is what they are bred and trained to do. You don't want them to tear up a hog or steer or bull just restrain it until you can get some ropes on the animal or get it into a cage or holding pen. Anyway, the AB is a fine animal just not a pit bull.
# 4. ROTTWEILER: I am going to list the Rottweiler simply because so many people seem to think it is a "fighting breed." It is not. It is a big breed some of whose individuals may be able to fight okay. The breed was originally established for protection and guard type work against humans, for the most part. any good, big dog can whip a man badly in short order so that is no qualification as a fighting dog. Have there been instances of rotties whipping a pit bull out on a street corner or at the dog park? Probably. But that proves nothing. Rotties are big, strong, rough dogs and some bite very hard but if you took, at random, a hundred rotties and a hundred pit bulls of similar weights and tried to fight them the pit bull would win well over 90% of the time. Why not 100%? There are poor pit bulls just as there are poor thoroughbred horses, poor retrievers that won't fetch the newspaper much less a bird, poor milk cows that won't give much milk and so on. I mean, there are some pretty tough men our there but most of us couldn't stay long with a professional boxer, right? That is how most other dogs fare against a decent pit bull dog. They just don't have the "tools" or the "want to."
# 5. AMERICAN STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER: I didn't list the Amstaff earlier as it is simply the AKC show counterpart to the pit bull. While other breeds mentioned above (except the APBT) probably couldn't best the Amstaff in a fight every time some certainly could half the time or more. Amstaffs are fine dogs and great pets but after 80 years of being bred for dog shows just don't have the gameness or physical ability of the pit bull anymore.
# 6. STAFFORDSHIRE BULL TERRIER: The smaller, European (British) show counterpart to our Amstaff. Again, great dogs and pets but not a fighting dog anymore. Could one whip a Dachshund or poodle? Sure, but what does that prove? I'm sure most Staffy Bulls could whip a Cocker Spaniel or a Fox Terrier too but so what? Problem is they haven't been tried for many, many generations and where dog fighting ability and gameness are concerned the rule is: USE IT OR LOSE IT!
# 7. OWTSCHARKA: I guess I should list them although, who has ever seen one? They are a big, tall wooly breed of probably 100 pounds or so looking for all the world like huge "mutts" of some kind. I have seen them fight ON VIDEO, by the strange "rules" of their native regions (which I have not figured out yet) and they are willing and fairly capable fighters for 10-15 minutes and then one seems to lose his "want to" and it is declared over. These events draw large crowds and they award huge trophies to their "grand champions" with much cheering and hoopla and some money being literally "thrown around," really! They place currency notes on the forehead of the winning dogs' owners! It is very strange but that is their custom, apparently.
(sorry but I figure its better than a debate about it)
The fact is no other breed has the gameness or ability to consistently stand up to the APBT in an even weight fighting contest. (You may have heard of a pit bull losing an occasional street or backyard fight against this breed or that but we are talking about "professionally conducted" pit matches in this context. Poorly bred, amateurishly handled pit bulls may lose to another breed once in awhile, just as a sorry horse may lose a race to a mule occasionally but we are talking breed generalities here.)
When all the evidence is examined there is simply no breed on earth with the documented, PROVABLE pit history of the APBT, which has been used for at least 150 years in moneyed pit matches from England and Ireland back in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries to today, a time in which the breed has spread literally all over the world.
[ It is difficult, even for one who is familiar with the APBT's fighting history to rate most other breeds in order as they have been used so seldom in actual pit fighting contests. Most encounters are of the amateur "street corner" nature and simply are not very definitive concerning the gameness and ability of the respective breeds. Therefore the rest of the breeds in this list may or may not be rated accurately and actual results would probably vary greatly depending upon the relative gameness and ability of individuals within each breed considered.]
# 2. TOSA INU: My choice for # 2 is the Tosa Inu of Japan. It is really the only breed that has been matched, occasionally successfully, against the pit bull. In the 1960's Japanese dog fighters imported some very good APBTs into Japan. As the pit bull is a much smaller dog than the average Tosa the Japanese dog men were quite impressed with its abilities and gameness. Pit bulls were often able to overcome the Tosa dogs' size and weight advantage and best them at their own game although in the early going some pit bulls were disqualified for making "noise" which was against the Japanese standards. Japanese rules also had a time limit of 1/2 hour and the dogs were judged on a point system all of which was favorable to the big Tosas which could control the match with their size and weight until the time ran out.
Eventually the Japanese pit bull fanciers broke away from the Tosa fanciers and started their own dog fighting league using just APBTs as they considered them much more interesting and exciting to watch. ( FYI, the Japanese do not fight their dogs for money but for "honor" and "prestige" and hold their champion fighting dogs in very high regard treating them almost as royalty.)
# 3. AMERICAN BULLDOG: Now it gets harder. I would have to award # 3 to the American Bulldog for although it has not ever been fought much in moneyed pit contests it is a very large, strong and tenacious breed and definitely has a degree of gameness which has been attained from its use in hog-hunting and large-animal catch work. Can it stay with the APBT in a conditioned fight? Not really. Certainly not at even weights which is the real test of a breed's fighting mettle.
A good friend who had tried his ABS against some of his own APBTs told me the AB will just hold onto a skin hold and think he is fighting while the APBT tears him up. This is fairly typical of "catch dogs" as that is what they are bred and trained to do. You don't want them to tear up a hog or steer or bull just restrain it until you can get some ropes on the animal or get it into a cage or holding pen. Anyway, the AB is a fine animal just not a pit bull.
# 4. ROTTWEILER: I am going to list the Rottweiler simply because so many people seem to think it is a "fighting breed." It is not. It is a big breed some of whose individuals may be able to fight okay. The breed was originally established for protection and guard type work against humans, for the most part. any good, big dog can whip a man badly in short order so that is no qualification as a fighting dog. Have there been instances of rotties whipping a pit bull out on a street corner or at the dog park? Probably. But that proves nothing. Rotties are big, strong, rough dogs and some bite very hard but if you took, at random, a hundred rotties and a hundred pit bulls of similar weights and tried to fight them the pit bull would win well over 90% of the time. Why not 100%? There are poor pit bulls just as there are poor thoroughbred horses, poor retrievers that won't fetch the newspaper much less a bird, poor milk cows that won't give much milk and so on. I mean, there are some pretty tough men our there but most of us couldn't stay long with a professional boxer, right? That is how most other dogs fare against a decent pit bull dog. They just don't have the "tools" or the "want to."
# 5. AMERICAN STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER: I didn't list the Amstaff earlier as it is simply the AKC show counterpart to the pit bull. While other breeds mentioned above (except the APBT) probably couldn't best the Amstaff in a fight every time some certainly could half the time or more. Amstaffs are fine dogs and great pets but after 80 years of being bred for dog shows just don't have the gameness or physical ability of the pit bull anymore.
# 6. STAFFORDSHIRE BULL TERRIER: The smaller, European (British) show counterpart to our Amstaff. Again, great dogs and pets but not a fighting dog anymore. Could one whip a Dachshund or poodle? Sure, but what does that prove? I'm sure most Staffy Bulls could whip a Cocker Spaniel or a Fox Terrier too but so what? Problem is they haven't been tried for many, many generations and where dog fighting ability and gameness are concerned the rule is: USE IT OR LOSE IT!
# 7. OWTSCHARKA: I guess I should list them although, who has ever seen one? They are a big, tall wooly breed of probably 100 pounds or so looking for all the world like huge "mutts" of some kind. I have seen them fight ON VIDEO, by the strange "rules" of their native regions (which I have not figured out yet) and they are willing and fairly capable fighters for 10-15 minutes and then one seems to lose his "want to" and it is declared over. These events draw large crowds and they award huge trophies to their "grand champions" with much cheering and hoopla and some money being literally "thrown around," really! They place currency notes on the forehead of the winning dogs' owners! It is very strange but that is their custom, apparently.
(sorry but I figure its better than a debate about it)
You're absolutely right Jill, and I am one of "those people". When I read Ming65's story, and not knowing what a "pig dog" was, I pictured the dogs as pit bulls. Most everybody does that because of the reputation the American pit bull terrier has. Yes, pit bulls can be raised to be dogs like any other, but the sad fact is alot of them aren't. Some people will get them, not for the purpose of fighting them, but knowing what tremendous tenacity and power they have, they can;t resist seeing them fight another dog. It shouldn;t be this way, but it often is.
Any dog can bite a person for a variety of reasons. The problem with the pitbull is their power and tenacity when they grab ahold. A German Shepherd, just to pick one as an example, can maul a person terribly. But a pitbull is much more dangerous.... nearly ANY animal control officer will attest to this and many of them own pitbulls.
Unbelievable. I didn't realize there were any states left that allow sane people to be jurors.
I am offended by that remark. How dare you infer that I might be sane!!!!!
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Great job!
Not going for its neck was probably a good idea at the time. If it had your dog in it's mouth and was thrashing about like that, i'd be worried about accidentally sticking the dog i was trying to save.
By the way, i carry a fully serrated Spyderco Native and own a mini poodle named Princess.
Not going for its neck was probably a good idea at the time. If it had your dog in it's mouth and was thrashing about like that, i'd be worried about accidentally sticking the dog i was trying to save.
By the way, i carry a fully serrated Spyderco Native and own a mini poodle named Princess.