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Pacific Salt saves my dog from being mauled to death...
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Just three weeks ago I was walking my dog with my wife and 4 month old baby and we were attacked by a big mean mastiff (well over 100 lbs). It grabbed my 70lb dog (amstaff) by the neck and trashed him around like a rag doll and as soon as he let go he turned to get me (my wife and son were moving quickly towards home).
I shot the dog one time in the back and his hind legs dropped from under him. The fight was over and my wife and son were safe (my dog is shaken and has a few bad punctures in his neck, but he is doing better).
When the police showed up I immediatly told the police officer what happened. I asked him if he wanted my license and carry permit. He just asked where I lived (just a few houses away) and told me "OK"
about a half hour later the officer and the animal control investigator stopped by and just asked me to fill out a short one page report and send it to animal control. The officer told me I did what I had to do.
Suprisingly, the dog lived! The bullet hit the spine but did not permanently damage the cord. Animal Control gave the dog back to the guy
My wife will not leave the house alone with the baby or walk the dog without me until the dog is out of the neigborhood. The dog owner's landlord is supposed to evict him for several other reason very soon. Until then I not only carry a gun and a knife but a very BIG knife:thumbup:
I'm glad your little guy is OK. Mine is much better now.
You did the right thing. Good job to you!
I shot the dog one time in the back and his hind legs dropped from under him. The fight was over and my wife and son were safe (my dog is shaken and has a few bad punctures in his neck, but he is doing better).
When the police showed up I immediatly told the police officer what happened. I asked him if he wanted my license and carry permit. He just asked where I lived (just a few houses away) and told me "OK"
about a half hour later the officer and the animal control investigator stopped by and just asked me to fill out a short one page report and send it to animal control. The officer told me I did what I had to do.
Suprisingly, the dog lived! The bullet hit the spine but did not permanently damage the cord. Animal Control gave the dog back to the guy
My wife will not leave the house alone with the baby or walk the dog without me until the dog is out of the neigborhood. The dog owner's landlord is supposed to evict him for several other reason very soon. Until then I not only carry a gun and a knife but a very BIG knife:thumbup:
I'm glad your little guy is OK. Mine is much better now.
You did the right thing. Good job to you!
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Yup, folks must control their dogs.
I went into a small engine repair shop once to get a weed eater repaired. I noticed the big Rottie lying on the floor in the office when I dropped off the machine, but he was asleep and so I forgot about him.
When I went in a month later to pick up the weed eater, he was nowhere to be seen.
As I bent over the desk to sign a check in payment for work done, I heard the office door open (ding, ding) and the next thing I know this big dog is on my back attempting to breed me.
In the small office with me was a young fella, about 20-ish, and an old geezer who commenced to laugh about what was happening, but neither made any move to do anything.
I looked at the geezer, still bent over the desk, and said "If you don't get this dog off of me, I will have to hurt him."
I didn't know the dog at all, just that he was very large (at least 130 lbs.) he was wearing a spike collar, and he obviously thought he could dominate me.
At my words, the young fella came (very quickly) out from behind the desk, took the dog by the collar and pulled him back out the door.
The old geezer lost his grin and said to me "If you had tried anything, that dog would have turned you into hamburger! You carrying a gun or something?"
It was none of his business that I WAS carrying a gun... I just let him know that I wouldn't be coming back to their business, and if they knew what was good for them, they wouldn't keep a dog that mounts their customers on the place.
Andy
I went into a small engine repair shop once to get a weed eater repaired. I noticed the big Rottie lying on the floor in the office when I dropped off the machine, but he was asleep and so I forgot about him.
When I went in a month later to pick up the weed eater, he was nowhere to be seen.
As I bent over the desk to sign a check in payment for work done, I heard the office door open (ding, ding) and the next thing I know this big dog is on my back attempting to breed me.
In the small office with me was a young fella, about 20-ish, and an old geezer who commenced to laugh about what was happening, but neither made any move to do anything.
I looked at the geezer, still bent over the desk, and said "If you don't get this dog off of me, I will have to hurt him."
I didn't know the dog at all, just that he was very large (at least 130 lbs.) he was wearing a spike collar, and he obviously thought he could dominate me.
At my words, the young fella came (very quickly) out from behind the desk, took the dog by the collar and pulled him back out the door.
The old geezer lost his grin and said to me "If you had tried anything, that dog would have turned you into hamburger! You carrying a gun or something?"
It was none of his business that I WAS carrying a gun... I just let him know that I wouldn't be coming back to their business, and if they knew what was good for them, they wouldn't keep a dog that mounts their customers on the place.
Andy
wow. that must have been a very traumatic experience.. im a dog lover as well, and cant STAND to see dogs fight.. it just tears me apart. especially when its not fair... theres just something about an unfair fight, between ANY living things, that makes something click inside of me. i wont ever let an unfair fight go on. and if its animals, i wont let ANY fight go on. its really too bad you had to hurt that dog, but i know from personal experience, that thats the ONLY thing that would have made that dog let go. and i would have not only done that, but slit its throat as well... but, of course, i wouldve felt SOOO bad later on.... my dog caught a squirrel in the back yard, and i felt soo bad for the squirrel afterwards..
you did what you had to, point blank. you saved your dogs life, and sometimes, just like war, you have to take one life, to save another. its the natural circle of life. dont worry about it, you did good.
you did what you had to, point blank. you saved your dogs life, and sometimes, just like war, you have to take one life, to save another. its the natural circle of life. dont worry about it, you did good.
Jill,
I'm on your side in this thing, as is everybody else because everybody seems to be on the same page. But quoting Wikipedia is going waaay too far....
Wikipedia, while it is a "source for information", IS DEFINITELY NOT a source for accurate information. When they are accurate, it's usually by accident or because they can't find a reason to slant, bias, and taint the information. Be very careful relying on it. In this instance, all it did was prove its recklessness. It put the pit bull terrier in such a good light it was embarrassing to read. It's like the way the news media coddles certain idealogoues, criminals, and Hollywood movie stars. This is standard fare for Wikipedia. I don;t say it's useless, mind you, but it's rather like watching the news....... do it with varying degrees of skepticism.
That article was true, or seemed to be, about the dogs. Unfortunately, it was completely inadequate and misleading by ommission. That is, it mentioned but glossed over the not so desireable traits of the breed. In other words, it was like describing Ted Bundy as "a nice man, when he wanted to be".
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Hey Mongo - thanks for the concern (and the rest of the supportive messages sent).
I was very impressed with her vetenary care. The lady vet was sympathetic, thorough and professional (and a babe
- but I digress, this isn't whine and cheese) Puff is on twice daily antibiotics and is having the wounds swabbed thrice daily with a mix that the vet gave me) The swabs sting and she isn't happy for a few minutes afterwards but she's been less concerned as the wounds have closed over. Here's a pick the day after - don't scroll down if you think you may find puncture wounds in in the neck of a small dog distressing....... .
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Of course - the fight may have been a different if puff had her best friend daisy along for the walk.
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Jill,
I'm on your side in this thing, as is everybody else because everybody seems to be on the same page. But quoting Wikipedia is going waaay too far....
Wikipedia, while it is a "source for information", IS DEFINITELY NOT a source for accurate information. When they are accurate, it's usually by accident or because they can't find a reason to slant, bias, and taint the information. Be very careful relying on it. In this instance, all it did was prove its recklessness. It put the pit bull terrier in such a good light it was embarrassing to read. It's like the way the news media coddles certain idealogues, criminals, and Hollywood movie stars. This is standard fare for Wikipedia. I don;t say it's useless, mind you, but it's rather like watching the news....... do it with varying degrees of skepticism.
That article was true, or seemed to be, about the dogs. Unfortunately, it was completely inadequate and misleading by omission. That is, it mentioned but glossed over the not so desirable traits of the breed. In other words, it was like describing Ted Bundy as "a nice man, when he wanted to be".
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Not everyone should own one. I agree with that. But they are very loving dogs that is a fact and delight in being with their human and other dog family. Mine is asleep in the basement right now with her buddies a corgi (Trixie) a yellow lab (bigwig) a little hound (newly). Her name is nyla and she loves the entire family, dogs and all. Because all you people see what a dog can do when its not taken care of and loved and want to believe that's the only fact in a matter because its all you read (in a paper or on the news) and won't bother to know that the media is not the only source of information on things shouldn't bother me, but I know the owner makes all the difference in any dog. I can see that you and some others have made your minds up that a breed of dog is all that matters as far as a dog being a danger. That is not so.
I'm on your side in this thing, as is everybody else because everybody seems to be on the same page. But quoting Wikipedia is going waaay too far....
Wikipedia, while it is a "source for information", IS DEFINITELY NOT a source for accurate information. When they are accurate, it's usually by accident or because they can't find a reason to slant, bias, and taint the information. Be very careful relying on it. In this instance, all it did was prove its recklessness. It put the pit bull terrier in such a good light it was embarrassing to read. It's like the way the news media coddles certain idealogues, criminals, and Hollywood movie stars. This is standard fare for Wikipedia. I don;t say it's useless, mind you, but it's rather like watching the news....... do it with varying degrees of skepticism.
That article was true, or seemed to be, about the dogs. Unfortunately, it was completely inadequate and misleading by omission. That is, it mentioned but glossed over the not so desirable traits of the breed. In other words, it was like describing Ted Bundy as "a nice man, when he wanted to be".
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Not everyone should own one. I agree with that. But they are very loving dogs that is a fact and delight in being with their human and other dog family. Mine is asleep in the basement right now with her buddies a corgi (Trixie) a yellow lab (bigwig) a little hound (newly). Her name is nyla and she loves the entire family, dogs and all. Because all you people see what a dog can do when its not taken care of and loved and want to believe that's the only fact in a matter because its all you read (in a paper or on the news) and won't bother to know that the media is not the only source of information on things shouldn't bother me, but I know the owner makes all the difference in any dog. I can see that you and some others have made your minds up that a breed of dog is all that matters as far as a dog being a danger. That is not so.
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OK not from Wikipedia - Description:
Known for their intelligence and loyalty American Pit Bull Terriers make excellent, loving and protective companions despite the unfair press they receive. A common question regarding the APBT is, "How is this breed different from the American Staffordshire Terrier?". In the eyes of the United Kennel Club, they are the same breed, but many disagree. Some AKC-registered American Staffordshire Terriers are dual-registered as American Pit Bull Terriers with the UKC; however, this draws criticism from many who point out that the bloodlines have been separate for too long for these to be considered the same breed. The AKC, on the other hand, does not allow a UKC-registered American Pit Bull Terrier to be registered as an American Staffordshire Terrier. To be dual-registered, the dog must first be an AKC-registered American Staffordshire Terrier and then it can be registered with the UKC as an APBT -- but not vice versa... Choose from a responsible breeder and make sure the puppy is properly socialized and handled. Solid training will produce a tranquil, good, obedient, companion dog.
Height: 18 - 22 inches
Weight: 30 - 60 lbs.
Colors:
Any color
Coat:
Thick, short, shiny hair
Temperament:
Courageous, loyal, full of energy; Should be socialized early on with children and other animals.
Care and Exercise:
Regular brushing with a bristle brush or rubbing down his coat with a chamois will keep the coat shiny and clean. Bath only when necessary. Needs a substantial amount of vigorous exercise which needs to be on-leash. Enjoys running along side a bicycle.
Health Issues:
Mange and heart murmurs. Breeders should be concerned with doing health testing on the sire or dam such as OFA, PENN HIP
History/Origin:
His ancestors were brought to the Unites States in the mid - 1800's by Boston-Irish immigrants. Originally bred from a variety of bulldogs and terriers, American breeders increased his weight and gave him a more powerful head. A forbearer to the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, they were originally bred to be a fighting dog. Bull baiting was banned in England in 1835 and these dogs are no longer been bred to fights. There is some complication in registries of this breed. The AKC considers the American Staffordshire Terrier as separate and distinct from the American Pit Bull Terrier, yet the UKC will register both as American Pit Bull Terriers (APBTs).
In America, the Pit Bull flourished. It was one of the most popular breeds, highly prized by a wide variety of people. The Pit Bull was used to represent the US in WW1 artwork; popular companies like RCA and the Buster Brown Shoe Company used the breed as their mascots. A Pit Bull named Petie starred in the popular children's television series, Our Gang; a Pit Bull mix named Stubby became a decorated WW1 hero. Pit Bulls accompanied pioneer familes on their explorations. Laura Ingalls Wilder of the popular Little House books owned a working Pit Bulldog named Jack. Famous individuals like Theodore Roosevelt and Helen Keller owned the breed. It was during this time that the Pit Bull truly became America?s sweetheart breed, admired, respected and loved.
In 1898 the United Kennel Club was formed with the express intent of providing registration and fighting guidelines for the now officially-named American Pit Bull Terrier. Later, those who wished to distance themselves from the fighting aspect of the breed petitioned the American Kennel Club for recognition of the Pit Bull so that it would be eligible for dog shows and other performance events. The AKC conceded in 1936 but only under the stipulation that the dogs registered with them be called "Staffordshire Terriers", the name of the province in England the breed supposedly originated in. Upon acceptance of the breed, many people dual-registered their dogs with both the AKC and the UKC. Lucenay's Peter (the dog that starred in the Our Gang series) was the first dual-registered Pit Bull/Staffordshire Terrier. The UKC evolved, eventually beginning to register other working-type breeds, and later holding shows similar to those of the AKC. Currently, the UKC is the second largest purebred dog registry in the United States, complete with strict bylaws that ban anyone who is convicted of dog fighting. The American Dog Breeders Association was formed in 1909 because of certain fanciers' opinions that the UKC was not doing it's job protecting and preserving the Pit Bull breed as they felt it should be preserved. The ADBA's goal is the same now is at was then: to register, promote and preserve the original American Pit Bull Terrier fighting-type dog.
The AKC eventually closed it's studbooks to American Pit Bull Terriers. They allowed registration only to those dogs with parents registered as Staffordshire Terriers. For a short period in the 1970's, the AKC reopened its studbooks to American Pit Bull Terriers. In 1973 the AKC added the prefix "American" to the breed's name in an effort to distinguish it from the newly recognized Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Today, only those dogs with AmStaff parents are eligible for registration. Both the UKC and the ADBA allow registration of AmStaffs, but in these organizations the dogs carry the original name, "American Pit Bull Terrier."
Today the Pit Bull has evolved into a marvelous working and companion dog, used for purposes as varied as those it originally performed. Pit Bulls are employed as police/armed services dogs, search and rescuers, therapy animals, and livestock workers. They compete in all manner of organized dog sports, from herding to agility to conformation to obedience and the bite sports like Schutzhund and French Ring. They make loving pets for children and seniors, and everyone in between. The are indeed one of the most versatile breeds on the planet. Much of this is owed to the activities it once performed. The harshness and physical demands of the activities molded a strong, healthy, stable animal, one anyone should be proud to own.
Category: Terrier
Registries: UCA, UKC, ADBA, CKC
Living Environment: Either Indoor or Outdoor
Known for their intelligence and loyalty American Pit Bull Terriers make excellent, loving and protective companions despite the unfair press they receive. A common question regarding the APBT is, "How is this breed different from the American Staffordshire Terrier?". In the eyes of the United Kennel Club, they are the same breed, but many disagree. Some AKC-registered American Staffordshire Terriers are dual-registered as American Pit Bull Terriers with the UKC; however, this draws criticism from many who point out that the bloodlines have been separate for too long for these to be considered the same breed. The AKC, on the other hand, does not allow a UKC-registered American Pit Bull Terrier to be registered as an American Staffordshire Terrier. To be dual-registered, the dog must first be an AKC-registered American Staffordshire Terrier and then it can be registered with the UKC as an APBT -- but not vice versa... Choose from a responsible breeder and make sure the puppy is properly socialized and handled. Solid training will produce a tranquil, good, obedient, companion dog.
Height: 18 - 22 inches
Weight: 30 - 60 lbs.
Colors:
Any color
Coat:
Thick, short, shiny hair
Temperament:
Courageous, loyal, full of energy; Should be socialized early on with children and other animals.
Care and Exercise:
Regular brushing with a bristle brush or rubbing down his coat with a chamois will keep the coat shiny and clean. Bath only when necessary. Needs a substantial amount of vigorous exercise which needs to be on-leash. Enjoys running along side a bicycle.
Health Issues:
Mange and heart murmurs. Breeders should be concerned with doing health testing on the sire or dam such as OFA, PENN HIP
History/Origin:
His ancestors were brought to the Unites States in the mid - 1800's by Boston-Irish immigrants. Originally bred from a variety of bulldogs and terriers, American breeders increased his weight and gave him a more powerful head. A forbearer to the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, they were originally bred to be a fighting dog. Bull baiting was banned in England in 1835 and these dogs are no longer been bred to fights. There is some complication in registries of this breed. The AKC considers the American Staffordshire Terrier as separate and distinct from the American Pit Bull Terrier, yet the UKC will register both as American Pit Bull Terriers (APBTs).
In America, the Pit Bull flourished. It was one of the most popular breeds, highly prized by a wide variety of people. The Pit Bull was used to represent the US in WW1 artwork; popular companies like RCA and the Buster Brown Shoe Company used the breed as their mascots. A Pit Bull named Petie starred in the popular children's television series, Our Gang; a Pit Bull mix named Stubby became a decorated WW1 hero. Pit Bulls accompanied pioneer familes on their explorations. Laura Ingalls Wilder of the popular Little House books owned a working Pit Bulldog named Jack. Famous individuals like Theodore Roosevelt and Helen Keller owned the breed. It was during this time that the Pit Bull truly became America?s sweetheart breed, admired, respected and loved.
In 1898 the United Kennel Club was formed with the express intent of providing registration and fighting guidelines for the now officially-named American Pit Bull Terrier. Later, those who wished to distance themselves from the fighting aspect of the breed petitioned the American Kennel Club for recognition of the Pit Bull so that it would be eligible for dog shows and other performance events. The AKC conceded in 1936 but only under the stipulation that the dogs registered with them be called "Staffordshire Terriers", the name of the province in England the breed supposedly originated in. Upon acceptance of the breed, many people dual-registered their dogs with both the AKC and the UKC. Lucenay's Peter (the dog that starred in the Our Gang series) was the first dual-registered Pit Bull/Staffordshire Terrier. The UKC evolved, eventually beginning to register other working-type breeds, and later holding shows similar to those of the AKC. Currently, the UKC is the second largest purebred dog registry in the United States, complete with strict bylaws that ban anyone who is convicted of dog fighting. The American Dog Breeders Association was formed in 1909 because of certain fanciers' opinions that the UKC was not doing it's job protecting and preserving the Pit Bull breed as they felt it should be preserved. The ADBA's goal is the same now is at was then: to register, promote and preserve the original American Pit Bull Terrier fighting-type dog.
The AKC eventually closed it's studbooks to American Pit Bull Terriers. They allowed registration only to those dogs with parents registered as Staffordshire Terriers. For a short period in the 1970's, the AKC reopened its studbooks to American Pit Bull Terriers. In 1973 the AKC added the prefix "American" to the breed's name in an effort to distinguish it from the newly recognized Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Today, only those dogs with AmStaff parents are eligible for registration. Both the UKC and the ADBA allow registration of AmStaffs, but in these organizations the dogs carry the original name, "American Pit Bull Terrier."
Today the Pit Bull has evolved into a marvelous working and companion dog, used for purposes as varied as those it originally performed. Pit Bulls are employed as police/armed services dogs, search and rescuers, therapy animals, and livestock workers. They compete in all manner of organized dog sports, from herding to agility to conformation to obedience and the bite sports like Schutzhund and French Ring. They make loving pets for children and seniors, and everyone in between. The are indeed one of the most versatile breeds on the planet. Much of this is owed to the activities it once performed. The harshness and physical demands of the activities molded a strong, healthy, stable animal, one anyone should be proud to own.
Category: Terrier
Registries: UCA, UKC, ADBA, CKC
Living Environment: Either Indoor or Outdoor
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Temperament
If there was a manual describing ideal Pit Bull temperament, it would probably read something like this: "The Pit Bull is goofily friendly towards people--family, friends, and strangers alike. Known for its sound character, strong nerve, and great intelligence, the breed makes an ideal companion for households with children, while remaining strong and vigilent enough to protect its loved ones if need be. It is never necessary to embark on guard or attack training with this breed, as they are naturally attuned to their environment and intuitive about real threats. Although never aggressive towards people without real need, the Pit Bull is dog-aggressive, to varying degrees. The properly socialized and trained Pit Bull should not be an instigater, yet neither should he shy away from a challenge. The breed is known for its high prey drive, and so due caution should be exercised when cats, rabbits, domestic fowl, and other such animals are present. Aggression towards other animals should not be viewed as a fault, although excessive, uncontrollable aggression is neither desired nor correct. Aggression towards humans should be viewed as a serious fault.
As our "ideal temperament manual" states above, the Pit Bull is generally a very friendly, stable, safe breed. Although in recent years some individuals have misused the breed and the media have misrepresented it, aggression towards humans never was and still isn't what the Pit Bull is about. Human-aggression is a serious matter, and not something that should be taken lightly. Human aggressive dogs (i.e. dogs that bite/attempt to bite humans) are an aberration. Growling (i.e. over toys, food, when moved off the sofa, bed, etc.) should be considered a warning, and possibly a precursor to biting behavior. It is imperative that owners seek professional help if their dog is exhibiting any of these behaviors.
Because the Pit Bull is generally such a people-friendly breed, they often make poor guards of property. Many specimens of the breed will allow strangers to enter the home or yard without a fuss, whether the owner is present or not. As a guardian of his human, however, the Pit Bull is quite willing and able to intercept an attack. The breed is credited with having exceptional judgement and will react only to real threats. Because of the Pit Bull's generally poor guarding instincts and natural inclination to protect his owner if need be, it is best to stay away from any sort of guard or protection dog training. A good dog can be ruined quite easily, making for a wary, untrusting animal that may become a danger to humans. Do not try to make the Pit Bull into something he is not. If a serious guard or attack dog is what you desire, it is best to look to one of the breeds that have been specifically created for that type of work.
This breed is known to keep its owners laughing. They are silly, almost to the point of being rediculous. Flailing around upside down on their backs, laying with their heads draped off the side of the couch, engaging in rambunctious sprints around the living room (known to Pit Bull folk as "pit fits"), these dogs are always clowning around. They are active and energetic, and too much dog for some to handle, just the right amount for others.
Pit Bulls are generally quite aggressive towards other animals, although the degree of aggression will vary from dog to dog. Pit Bulls are naturally animal aggressive and it is therefore necessary for the Pit Bull owner to take certain precautions in the housing, training, and socialization of the animal. Pit Bulls also have a very strong prey drive. Small animals such as birds, squirrels and cats are often viewed as "hunting" targets. The young Pit Bull should be socialized from early on with many types of animals and other dogs. Basic early obedience training is a must. However, you cannot socialize or train away genetics. Since most Pit Bulls are pre-disposed to animal aggression, socialization and training are simply tools of management. A dog that has been raised properly will be easier to handle and control than a dog that has not been socialized or taught how to behave.
Animal aggression as it relates to the Pit Bull is a tricky thing. Even dogs that have never manifested the trait may, at some point, fire up and engage in a fight with another dog or suddenly begin to take a strong interest in small animals. Also, many specimens of the breed will never start a fight, yet will not back down if challenged.
Because Pit Bulls have a desire or even a compulsive instinct to fight, they are not necessarily looking to show dominance or obtain rank by aggressing. Even fairly submissive individuals cannot be trusted to remain out of trouble at all times. Allowing a Pit Bull to "work out rank" with other dogs is dangerous and may very well result in injuries. Although neutering can definately help in some cases (particularly with young males), do not count on the operation eliminating the aggression completely. Both sexes can be animal aggressive, although males can be more "firey". Same-sex aggression is a problem, and many a bitch-owner has stated that female fights are far worse than male-on-male bouts. Regardless of the sexes involved, it is generally felt that same-sex households are not a good idea, particularly for the novice owner.
Pit Bulls are slow to mature. A dog may not show his true temperament until he is 2 or 3 or even 4 years old. Just because your puppy has reached a year of age without having shown animal aggression does not mean he will never manifest the trait.
Pit Bulls can and do interact peacefully with other dogs and animals. Individual dog temperament, early training and socializing, all play an important role in whether or not a Pit Bull is capable of getting along with other animals. Many people successfully keep multiple Pit Bulls and other pets in the same household. Success is based on careful supervision, proper management and training, and the individual animals involved.
Thing is you say its like watching the news to read what wikipedia had to say yet it seems thats all you have done StretchNM when it comes to facts about this. The dogs that attacked Puff were not even pit bulls. This information is true as far as being a responsible dog owner goes. Why would people want to blame a dog for having an stupid uncaring owner.
If there was a manual describing ideal Pit Bull temperament, it would probably read something like this: "The Pit Bull is goofily friendly towards people--family, friends, and strangers alike. Known for its sound character, strong nerve, and great intelligence, the breed makes an ideal companion for households with children, while remaining strong and vigilent enough to protect its loved ones if need be. It is never necessary to embark on guard or attack training with this breed, as they are naturally attuned to their environment and intuitive about real threats. Although never aggressive towards people without real need, the Pit Bull is dog-aggressive, to varying degrees. The properly socialized and trained Pit Bull should not be an instigater, yet neither should he shy away from a challenge. The breed is known for its high prey drive, and so due caution should be exercised when cats, rabbits, domestic fowl, and other such animals are present. Aggression towards other animals should not be viewed as a fault, although excessive, uncontrollable aggression is neither desired nor correct. Aggression towards humans should be viewed as a serious fault.
As our "ideal temperament manual" states above, the Pit Bull is generally a very friendly, stable, safe breed. Although in recent years some individuals have misused the breed and the media have misrepresented it, aggression towards humans never was and still isn't what the Pit Bull is about. Human-aggression is a serious matter, and not something that should be taken lightly. Human aggressive dogs (i.e. dogs that bite/attempt to bite humans) are an aberration. Growling (i.e. over toys, food, when moved off the sofa, bed, etc.) should be considered a warning, and possibly a precursor to biting behavior. It is imperative that owners seek professional help if their dog is exhibiting any of these behaviors.
Because the Pit Bull is generally such a people-friendly breed, they often make poor guards of property. Many specimens of the breed will allow strangers to enter the home or yard without a fuss, whether the owner is present or not. As a guardian of his human, however, the Pit Bull is quite willing and able to intercept an attack. The breed is credited with having exceptional judgement and will react only to real threats. Because of the Pit Bull's generally poor guarding instincts and natural inclination to protect his owner if need be, it is best to stay away from any sort of guard or protection dog training. A good dog can be ruined quite easily, making for a wary, untrusting animal that may become a danger to humans. Do not try to make the Pit Bull into something he is not. If a serious guard or attack dog is what you desire, it is best to look to one of the breeds that have been specifically created for that type of work.
This breed is known to keep its owners laughing. They are silly, almost to the point of being rediculous. Flailing around upside down on their backs, laying with their heads draped off the side of the couch, engaging in rambunctious sprints around the living room (known to Pit Bull folk as "pit fits"), these dogs are always clowning around. They are active and energetic, and too much dog for some to handle, just the right amount for others.
Pit Bulls are generally quite aggressive towards other animals, although the degree of aggression will vary from dog to dog. Pit Bulls are naturally animal aggressive and it is therefore necessary for the Pit Bull owner to take certain precautions in the housing, training, and socialization of the animal. Pit Bulls also have a very strong prey drive. Small animals such as birds, squirrels and cats are often viewed as "hunting" targets. The young Pit Bull should be socialized from early on with many types of animals and other dogs. Basic early obedience training is a must. However, you cannot socialize or train away genetics. Since most Pit Bulls are pre-disposed to animal aggression, socialization and training are simply tools of management. A dog that has been raised properly will be easier to handle and control than a dog that has not been socialized or taught how to behave.
Animal aggression as it relates to the Pit Bull is a tricky thing. Even dogs that have never manifested the trait may, at some point, fire up and engage in a fight with another dog or suddenly begin to take a strong interest in small animals. Also, many specimens of the breed will never start a fight, yet will not back down if challenged.
Because Pit Bulls have a desire or even a compulsive instinct to fight, they are not necessarily looking to show dominance or obtain rank by aggressing. Even fairly submissive individuals cannot be trusted to remain out of trouble at all times. Allowing a Pit Bull to "work out rank" with other dogs is dangerous and may very well result in injuries. Although neutering can definately help in some cases (particularly with young males), do not count on the operation eliminating the aggression completely. Both sexes can be animal aggressive, although males can be more "firey". Same-sex aggression is a problem, and many a bitch-owner has stated that female fights are far worse than male-on-male bouts. Regardless of the sexes involved, it is generally felt that same-sex households are not a good idea, particularly for the novice owner.
Pit Bulls are slow to mature. A dog may not show his true temperament until he is 2 or 3 or even 4 years old. Just because your puppy has reached a year of age without having shown animal aggression does not mean he will never manifest the trait.
Pit Bulls can and do interact peacefully with other dogs and animals. Individual dog temperament, early training and socializing, all play an important role in whether or not a Pit Bull is capable of getting along with other animals. Many people successfully keep multiple Pit Bulls and other pets in the same household. Success is based on careful supervision, proper management and training, and the individual animals involved.
Thing is you say its like watching the news to read what wikipedia had to say yet it seems thats all you have done StretchNM when it comes to facts about this. The dogs that attacked Puff were not even pit bulls. This information is true as far as being a responsible dog owner goes. Why would people want to blame a dog for having an stupid uncaring owner.
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My take on the whole nature V nurture debate on Dogs falls about 60/40 on the nature side. In our age-old symbiotic relationship with Dogs we have selectively bred them to fill different niches in our co-operative arangement. From hunting, to herding, retrieval, fighting, early warning/security and recent times just plain companionship; each breed has characteristics that allow it to excell in this role- and they are never happier than when they get to act out these instincts.
Dogs with large, well muscled heads, particularly the distinctive 'cleavage' on the top of the head caused by huge biting muscles - have been bred to bite powerfully and hold - essentially fighting.
Good training and management will largely override the deeper instinct in many cases -but no matter how sweet the personality. I'd never leave a dog like this unrestrained in the vicinity of small children. And if one approaches me or Puff on any future walks, when all reasonable avoidance of conflict has been exhausted (I can normally pick stupid dogs and their overcompensating morons of owners and give them a wide berth) - I will take out my weapon of choice and announce loudly to that owner to control his animal or see it killed.
I found out today that the fellows big dog didn't make it - which suprises me because I didn't think I'd hit anything vital. But then he did drive straight home for 3-hours after the fight and had planned to take the dog to the vet the following morning (see above re; morons).
Apparently he's terrified that I'll contact authorities and have the rest of his animals put down - probably best I leave it at that to avoid reprisals. I doubt we'll ever see him around here again.
Dogs with large, well muscled heads, particularly the distinctive 'cleavage' on the top of the head caused by huge biting muscles - have been bred to bite powerfully and hold - essentially fighting.
Good training and management will largely override the deeper instinct in many cases -but no matter how sweet the personality. I'd never leave a dog like this unrestrained in the vicinity of small children. And if one approaches me or Puff on any future walks, when all reasonable avoidance of conflict has been exhausted (I can normally pick stupid dogs and their overcompensating morons of owners and give them a wide berth) - I will take out my weapon of choice and announce loudly to that owner to control his animal or see it killed.
I found out today that the fellows big dog didn't make it - which suprises me because I didn't think I'd hit anything vital. But then he did drive straight home for 3-hours after the fight and had planned to take the dog to the vet the following morning (see above re; morons).
Apparently he's terrified that I'll contact authorities and have the rest of his animals put down - probably best I leave it at that to avoid reprisals. I doubt we'll ever see him around here again.
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That's right idiots own a lot of things they shouldn't. They make it bad on the rest that want to be responsible with their guns, knives or dogs. Then some people see a gun or knife or big dog and automatically think because I own it, I'M AN IDIOT TOO! I'm 19 and carry a legal sized knife with me at all times and I know some people that have seen it think I am sorta wacky. I guess they think I'll go nuts with it and start cutting them. I feel like Joe Dirt in the movie trying to hitchhike with his sign "I WON'T KILL YOU"!
four pound toy poodle was attacked by a big Chow. I eventually managed to kick him off, but a good knife would have been a great help. Or dog lived but the vet cost was very high. He lived for a couple more years but was only a shadow of his former self. By the way, your dog is really pretty. It would be a shame to lose him.
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Kind of a silly analogy, actually. Try as I may I just can't seem to recall a single incident of a legal (or illegal) knife jumping out of a back yard or a back pocket and viciously attacking another dog or a person.
The big problem with Pit Bull's is what kind of damage they can do to an animal or person if they do decide to go on the attack - and I'm not speaking from a position of ignorance. About 25 years ago when I was younger, & quite a bit dumber (in spite of advice from others) I decided it would be cool to have a Pit. The dog was very sweet and loved people but once it got a taste of fighting it would do it's best to try to kill anything with fur. My Pit grew up with my beloved Boxer and I assumed they would be fine together - big mistake. After 2 trips for to the vet which incolved close to 75 stitches for my Boxer I gave him to my uncle who lives way out in the boonies. He was a loving dog but I never regretted giving him away. It's an extremely scary sight to see an incensed Pit Bull in full attack mode on another animal.
Are all Pit Bulls like mine was? No, but my advice to people is to give it a lot of thought before buying one because they can be very unpredictable around other animals. And make no mistake, when a Pit Bulldog attacks they have every intention of killing the attackee.
BTW Jill, you certainly seem to know your fighting dogs. You have all have all the terms down pat and have even admitted to watching pit fighting on tape. As far as I'm concerned watching tapes of dogs fighting is just about as despicable as watching it in person. Of course that's just my two cents...
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So it sounds like even with responsible owners, Pit Bulls can snap and attack other animals and even humans without warning. It doesn't seem like the stupidity of the owner explains everything based on what you posted. I can't imagine why you would take the risk.
our dogs (amstaffs) come from a family of about 15 or so..all of which are still in our family. (our human family)
I see these dogs all the time. they never bit anyone. these dogs were raised around babies.. all their lives.. not a one bite. there are however 2 non pits in the family. a pit/beagle mix named spot, and a chow my girl had as a kid. the only bites in the entire family come from those two dogs, and none of the amstaffs ever. the only time one of the amstaffs raised their lip up in anger, was when someone went to pick up a baby, and reacted too fast... sissy thought maybe that person was going to do something, and got kinda alerted cuz of that persons movements... I cant see how 'years of fighting' make ALL dogs just snap out of nowhere. cuz if thats true, then what about all the 'years of non fighting' alllllll the other breeds have, and they still snap at people all the time. what about all the hearding dogs.. how come you dont see them snap, and revert back to hearding cars or other dogs or us sheep around the house? lol.
Its all in that dogs personality. Just like us. The guys on my team for instance. Were all 'trained killers' but some of us are just plain old guys, that when not doin army shit, are usually wrenchin on cars or reading. Were not out killin things on the side lol. Then, theres some of us, that prefer a good fistfight, to a good book. Its all on the individual. Ive seen marines on ships do the same thing. Ive seen a cook LOVE to fight, and one of their 0311's (light infantry) act like a total pacifist. Its their individual personalities, and not necessarily their training or background. Theyre all different. Just like us.
I see these dogs all the time. they never bit anyone. these dogs were raised around babies.. all their lives.. not a one bite. there are however 2 non pits in the family. a pit/beagle mix named spot, and a chow my girl had as a kid. the only bites in the entire family come from those two dogs, and none of the amstaffs ever. the only time one of the amstaffs raised their lip up in anger, was when someone went to pick up a baby, and reacted too fast... sissy thought maybe that person was going to do something, and got kinda alerted cuz of that persons movements... I cant see how 'years of fighting' make ALL dogs just snap out of nowhere. cuz if thats true, then what about all the 'years of non fighting' alllllll the other breeds have, and they still snap at people all the time. what about all the hearding dogs.. how come you dont see them snap, and revert back to hearding cars or other dogs or us sheep around the house? lol.
Its all in that dogs personality. Just like us. The guys on my team for instance. Were all 'trained killers' but some of us are just plain old guys, that when not doin army shit, are usually wrenchin on cars or reading. Were not out killin things on the side lol. Then, theres some of us, that prefer a good fistfight, to a good book. Its all on the individual. Ive seen marines on ships do the same thing. Ive seen a cook LOVE to fight, and one of their 0311's (light infantry) act like a total pacifist. Its their individual personalities, and not necessarily their training or background. Theyre all different. Just like us.