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- Thread starter HappyDaddy
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I don't buy international save Canada, and anyone else can pound sand if they want extra fees beyond what PayPal is taking.
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I always list my price via PP goods and include all fees and shipping...no guess work needed. I've never really understood why that is sooo difficult for other sellers to do the same 
I will continue to use that approach when selling on BF :thumbup:
I will continue to use that approach when selling on BF :thumbup:
There are new sellers popping up all the time, posting those terms simply because they see them in other people's ads...sometimes when they realize that people view it negatively, they stop; so there IS value in revisiting this discussion periodically.
Unfortunately, that only addresses a small percentage of the sellers; and many of the others know that for every person that is unwilling to pay gift or _%, there are two others that will do so without a second thought.
I do find it amusing, though, when a seller will refuse to accept the offer of his asking price via PayPal "Goods", then (sometimes within an hour) reduces the price to less than he would have received. Back when I had more patience for the games, I used to make a point of offering sellers (with those terms) 8-9% less, while agreeing to cover the 3-3.5%. They'd feel good about beating the fees, and I'd still get a small discount.
Unfortunately, that only addresses a small percentage of the sellers; and many of the others know that for every person that is unwilling to pay gift or _%, there are two others that will do so without a second thought.
I do find it amusing, though, when a seller will refuse to accept the offer of his asking price via PayPal "Goods", then (sometimes within an hour) reduces the price to less than he would have received. Back when I had more patience for the games, I used to make a point of offering sellers (with those terms) 8-9% less, while agreeing to cover the 3-3.5%. They'd feel good about beating the fees, and I'd still get a small discount.
This is definitely true. There have been several times where I've PMed a seller asking for 3.5-5% PayPal fees to politely let them know that the fee is 2.9% + $.30 (wasn't dealing with international sellers). Each and every time the person has responded by stating that they didn't know that, and then they've gone and actually changed their fee request.
Talking about these sort of things is very helpful, especially considering the fact that the mods have made it against the rules to post such things in people's sales threads (which is probably a good rule regardless). Even if talking about it in these threads only has a small effect in making the Knife Exchange better for buyers and sellers, it is worth it.
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I agree, you should not pay more than what PP is getting in fees. What I was saying is you should tell the seller upfront that you will only pay the correct fees, rather then sending less without them agreeing. Just sending less is not correct IMO, but I have never had a problem getting the seller to agree to the correct fees. Many will wave them totally if it is a deal breaker-they aren't that much.
Put another way-if you agree to pay 4% PP fees, you should pay the 4%. Don't agree to pay 4% in the first place.
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F&F is a lousy way to promote honor and decency within a group that leans on it.
Your selling a good, a service...a something. Someone is buying same, same. Trying to stipulate you want payment cause we're "Friends or Family" is simple dishonesty. And folks guess what... The guy that'll lie for ya' will definitely lie to ya'.
Sell threads using/promoting F&F should be deleted...zero tolerance. Again, it's lying.
Somethings are so patently black and white I scratch my head. When you're a go-to site for Blade Sales and related...openly tolerating this practice is short sighted and frankly, stupid.
Your selling a good, a service...a something. Someone is buying same, same. Trying to stipulate you want payment cause we're "Friends or Family" is simple dishonesty. And folks guess what... The guy that'll lie for ya' will definitely lie to ya'.
Sell threads using/promoting F&F should be deleted...zero tolerance. Again, it's lying.
Somethings are so patently black and white I scratch my head. When you're a go-to site for Blade Sales and related...openly tolerating this practice is short sighted and frankly, stupid.
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Kind of new to BF been user for a couple years but don't post much if at all.
Recently I've been looking for a Thorburn and other knives and I just thought selling on BF "that's the way it's done" (seller asking "net to me") I thought it was strange, why don't they just ask for more money,they know how much they want in their pocket.
They want me to figure it out? weird
As I said I've been looking and have noticed almost all are asking "net to me" or some variation of that.
A flat price including shipping, basically the TOTAL $ is how it should be nothing more. KISS
The reasoning some have posted, seller might be hoping buyer sends as gift and voids any PP protection....could be, and I've never thought of that but could be.
Most of us I'm assuming have a PP account right? did you get a notice recently that PP buyers protection rules are changing yep I did and that can't be good IMO usually when a change like that is made it's to PP's advantage not ours.
Hopefully, we'll never need the PP protection but I've had to use it more than once buying on ebay and it's good to have. A rule change usually makes it more difficult to file claim, but that's a different topic.
Recently I've been looking for a Thorburn and other knives and I just thought selling on BF "that's the way it's done" (seller asking "net to me") I thought it was strange, why don't they just ask for more money,they know how much they want in their pocket.
They want me to figure it out? weird
As I said I've been looking and have noticed almost all are asking "net to me" or some variation of that.
A flat price including shipping, basically the TOTAL $ is how it should be nothing more. KISS
The reasoning some have posted, seller might be hoping buyer sends as gift and voids any PP protection....could be, and I've never thought of that but could be.
Most of us I'm assuming have a PP account right? did you get a notice recently that PP buyers protection rules are changing yep I did and that can't be good IMO usually when a change like that is made it's to PP's advantage not ours.
Hopefully, we'll never need the PP protection but I've had to use it more than once buying on ebay and it's good to have. A rule change usually makes it more difficult to file claim, but that's a different topic.
But a $27 transaction at 2.9% +$0.30 is 4%. 
Rather than spelling out all the "net to me or f&f" crap, why not just list two prices.... PayPal $515, USPS Money Order $500. I agree that any sale listing for f&f should be shunned.
Rather than spelling out all the "net to me or f&f" crap, why not just list two prices.... PayPal $515, USPS Money Order $500. I agree that any sale listing for f&f should be shunned.
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John98294 - I read the actual changes and it appeared to be a minor tweak to say that they were excluding from protection items that were "cash equivalents," like gift cards. There was also a change related to the length of time before which a dispute could be escalated to a claim. Have to wait at least seven days.
But a $27 transaction at 2.9% +$0.30 is 4%.
Rather than spelling out all the "net to me or f&f" crap, why not just list two prices.... PayPal $515, USPS Money Order $500. I agree that any sale listing for f&f should be shunned.
Because often they don't want a USPS money order...
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I ignore this and send a letter that I'll give you XXX shipped and Paypal. That will be the total amount of my payment, take it or leave it. I have never been refused because of the amount of the Paypal fee. Don't be afraid to negotiate if you don't think the price is fair.
Just using it as an example, could be any accepted options. I just prefer adds that keep it simple with a landed price. Just an opinion as I have not done many exchange transactions. But if I were a seller, the MO is a great option. You can get cash in hand right at the post office and send product at the same time. But if the buyer, agree the PayPal option gives a layer of protection....which is exactly why it's worth paying for, and avoid the f&f all together.
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Not to derail my own thread but... Be very careful taking any kind of payment other than PP or cash. All of the commonly used instruments can be, and are, counterfeited. I'd take a USPS money order, but only if I cashed it at the post office.