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I dunno if you meant to do that, but I don't think I've ever seen a more fitting statement in one of these threads. "Zero Tolerance" indeed,
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I dunno if you meant to do that, but I don't think I've ever seen a more fitting statement in one of these threads. "Zero Tolerance" indeed,
Well Played, Sir, well played.
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Why do that? I know, it's a clone and bad and all, but just throw it in the tackle box or use it for a destruction test or something fun. If you grind off the badging it's still probably at least 440A. I got two or three clone junkers lying around I've debadged and have no qualms about using for the worst jobs imaginable, like scraping dried dog poop off something or various filthy automotive tasks. In this rare case, a knife CAN be a screwdriver! Think of the possibilities here. It should suffer for its insolence, don't let it off so easy.
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Haha yeah I hate these things. I got ripped off on my first big purchase on a knife, a strider that turned out to be a clone. Seller didn't say it was a "reproduction" in his description so eBay sided with me. Almost made me quit knife collecting, as I had just about started collecting. So I take em out when I can haha!
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I Believe this was covered in a recent thread-once your banned there is no way to post(other then opening another account which is against the rules), and no way to contact moderators(unless you have their Email). If in deep Doo Doo, best to say what you have to say for your defense while you can, before the hammer comes down. Too late after.
I will leave this up, but I think I misinterpreted the ?
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How about the guy (mactheknife801) who sold the fake ZT to pazazuzu? He is still good to go?
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That’s an interesting question. While I certainly wouldn’t try to speak for Boru13, I would hope that this seller’s announcement that he would sell a known fake on eBay had something to do with his banning. We don’t yet know whether the first seller knew the knife was a fake, nor how he would have responded had it been brought to his attention.
Did someone connect the dots via and are we absolutely sure it's the same knife changing hands each time?
Typical scam; get fake item cheap, get real item, use real item for packaging, parts, photos etc. and sell fake item by leveraging real items provenance. Then keep real item or sell also via another venue.
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If you take a look at this member's profile, you will notice that his last sign in date was in Sept of 2017. He's been a member for 5+ years but only has 78 posts in total! He just seems to be the type of "off grid" member who appears in here once in a proverbial blue moon to look / to sell, so make up your own conclusions based on these facts which you can independently verify for yourself.
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I have no idea, and hence my question. The thread where pazazuzu bought a/the ZT 0620 does not show the photobucket pictures properly, so I cannot tell if it is the same knife. Can anyone see those pictures or has anyone seen them?
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Thanks for the advice. It would be extremely less likely for me to deal with people like him. Maybe we will never know the answer but did he knowingly sell fakes on this site?
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[UOTE="mactheknife801, post: 17209712, member: 328823"]These 2 up for grabs because they just don't get any use. All prices are net to me via paypal (you add the 3% or gift)
SOLD ZT 0620 S/N017 - this one has been carried only a hand full of times and is in excellent condition excepting a few marks on the clip as shown $OLD shipped priority conus
SOLD ZT 0620 S/N017 - this one has been carried only a hand full of times and is in excellent condition excepting a few marks on the clip as shown $OLD shipped priority conus
That sure doesn't look like the same anything. The hardware is bagged so you can't really see it. The blade is maybe close but the grind has changed. It just says sharpened in the guy's ad, nothing about the blade reground. It could be the photos too but it just seems off.[UOTE="mactheknife801, post: 17209712, member: 328823"]These 2 up for grabs because they just don't get any use. All prices are net to me via paypal (you add the 3% or gift)
SOLD ZT 0620 S/N017 - this one has been carried only a hand full of times and is in excellent condition excepting a few marks on the clip as shown $OLD shipped priority conus
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If you look on this post, it is the same exact knife as this example of a clone, or just one of many clones. Here is the thread:[UOTE="mactheknife801, post: 17209712, member: 328823"]These 2 up for grabs because they just don't get any use. All prices are net to me via paypal (you add the 3% or gift)
SOLD ZT 0620 S/N017 - this one has been carried only a hand full of times and is in excellent condition excepting a few marks on the clip as shown $OLD shipped priority conus
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/zt-0620cf-clone.1277706/
Based on blade length which is almost a 1/4" smaller than the real blade (the clone blades are smaller than the original), lack of milling on lock bar relief, shape of scallop on back of handle, lack of belly on forward tanto edge, inability to center, and also from what an extremely experienced collector on ZT's fan page has said (that ser #'s 1-20 are extremely rare and were made for shows and therefore highly collectable) I find it very hard to believe this is real. Even the lock side looks differently than the elmax 620, CTS 620, and s35vn 630 I have an have had. I had a m390 zt0620 before that I traded towards a grail and all the blades on my 620's and 630's are at least 3.7". When I presented the seller with this info, he said he bought it as real, sold it to me as such, and that was that. I think we can agree that doesn't fly, I offered to work with him provided he was fooled himself, which he shot down. He then suggested I sell it on ebay, if it was a clone or whatnot to recoup. Thats bad stuff and I won't do that ever. Had it been me, and I made an honest mistake I would have returned and refunded, rather than be defensive about it and spit in the face of someone being patient as my PM's show. We all make mistakes, so I tried to be understanding. Then when I showed him the email from Craig at ZT, he stopped being civil at all. Within minutes of filing a claim with PayPal, he settled. His return address was bogus I believe, a strip mall/vacant lot. I tried to work with him, but he was pretty hostile. I'm glad its over with.
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^^^ OP:
@MikeKu825 who had started that thread used to frequent the Carothers Performance Knives subforum on here, quite regularly but has not been seen since Nov 10th which is his last log-in. IIRC, he was quite a ZT aficionado and had posted many photos of his ZT folders / flippers on our subforum over there at the Carothers.
I'm hoping that Mike's all well and that if he happens to see this, he can also come in to chime. Otherwise, I'm glad to read that the issue was resolved to your satisfaction
@MikeKu825 who had started that thread used to frequent the Carothers Performance Knives subforum on here, quite regularly but has not been seen since Nov 10th which is his last log-in. IIRC, he was quite a ZT aficionado and had posted many photos of his ZT folders / flippers on our subforum over there at the Carothers.
I'm hoping that Mike's all well and that if he happens to see this, he can also come in to chime. Otherwise, I'm glad to read that the issue was resolved to your satisfaction
Tbo the way I read it, was he didn't know it was fake and if he sold it on eBay instead of bladeforums their wouldnt be any issues. It could have just been taken out of context or he typed it wrong.
Either way there is more to it than just that sentence... Like the fact he didn't return the sellers money once it was found out it was a fake etc. And who knows if he was telling the truth or not.
But just trying to be the devils advocate. I'm fine with the results.
BTW does anyone research if they got or are selling clones? They just assume? Do we need more resources on the forum to detur this from happening more often?
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Thank you very much! I was satisfied with the outcome, just kinda pissed it resorted to all this, but in the end, it had to come to this thread. Once the seller made it clear he didn't care if it was a clone or not and to pass it on to someone else he had to be exposed. And I appreciate @MikeKu825 's post very much!^^^ OP:
@MikeKu825 who had started that thread used to frequent the Carothers Performance Knives subforum on here, quite regularly but has not been seen since Nov 10th which is his last log-in. IIRC, he was quite a ZT aficionado and had posted many photos of his ZT folders / flippers on our subforum over there at the Carothers.
I'm hoping that Mike's all well and that if he happens to see this, he can also come in to chime. Otherwise, I'm glad to read that the issue was resolved to your satisfaction
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I think more proactive posts about the latest clones coming out of china might help a lot too, that way more people are informed and aware of what's out there to burn them. Like these posts. Thanks for weighing in!
If he was unknowingly selling a clone I would've worked with him, but he was pretty set that either way I was screwed. He even mentioned he had his own suspicions but didn't follow through. So if you're unsure about your item, why sell it until you are sure? And if proven wrong, don't say oh well too bad for you. In our PM's he said if it wasn't satisfactory or authentic I was welcome to sell it on eBay, thats not right.
I think more proactive posts about the latest clones coming out of china might help a lot too, that way more people are informed and aware of what's out there to burn them. Like these posts. Thanks for weighing in!