Perfect Survival Gun

as a kid I used to have an old 410/.22 over and under, to me that is 'thee' survival gun caliber...

call me simple, but I like 410 and of course .22's lightweight and super accurate 'when you need it'.

ETA: M6 Scout......
 
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the governor looks like a hoot and I want one but about the only serious purpose I think it serves is against snakes and most of the time you don't even need to shoot them. to me the ultimate "survival" gun (survival in this case being lost in the wilderness) would be a single shot long gun with a .22lr barrel and a 12 gauge barrel. maybe not even that. just a .22 would go a long way towards getting food in most areas. like has been said it really depends on where you'll be. where I am I usually carry a .357mag with 180grn hard cast lead rounds for defense but it would certainly bag me a meal if I was lost.
 
Do any of you guys know if there is a maker that produces something that is similar to the m6 scout? I have seen plenty single shots in each caliber but no overunders. it just seems like such a fun gun. Give me one of those and my bk2 and I almost wouldn't mind getting lost in the woods :)
 
Jake Bauer said:
The ultimate survival gun will be the Circuit Judge in .22mag/LR. 9 shot, and with a folding stock of some kind it will pack down to nothing and well weigh less than 5 pounds. I sell the .45colt/410 version at work and its very handy and LIGHT. http://www.rossiusa.com/product-details.cfm?id=223&category=15&toggle=&breadcrumbseries=
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wait, how do you manage .22LR in that?

also, from reading the specs, the circuit judge requires a choke to be "effective" with .410 shot, which much be removed when switching up to other types of ammo. that seems like it could be a pain, esp if you forget.

survival gun. well, how should that be defined? something to help you survive. doesn't have to be pretty, or 100% accurate, but it does have to be rugged, simple, and always work. to survive. not revel in 20 point elks, or take down any land animal, or for that matter, even large game. towards that end, a rugged .22LR or even .22WMR would be just fine, i should think. depending on your survival situation, you might not even NEED a gun. traps, snares, or even nothing but water for 5 days until you get out. longer? well, there's a certain point it's not survival, and then you make other plans (esp if say, everyone turned zombie ;>)

that said, i'd think a pistol of some kind, would be ideal. .22WMR pistol will knock a lot of meat off trees. so will .22LR. those henry survival rifles would be just lovely, i should think; or a pistol you can put a stock on. mmm.

a very small, bolt action .22LR probably would be super ideal. make it stainless or titanium, with a lot of polymer synthetic bits, and now we're talking.

the m6 is pretty dandy, i must say.
 
survival combos :)

http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=5662

via: http://olegvolk.net/gallery/technology/arms/keltec/?g2_page=2
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.22WMR pistol and rifle combo. they will use the same magazines. 30 rounders. it's a guess, but the rifle will probably have a 50-70 rounder that's not much bigger.

the rifle will come threaded for a suppressor or other toys

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and well, it's kinda small - perfect for that bugout bag:

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oh, and the pistol weighs less than 19 ounces fully loaded with 30 rounds of 22WMR. sweet.

there's not much game in north america you couldn't take down with either of those.

yeah, yeah, it would take out a honey badger, but that's okay, they're not in north america ;>
 
Nsvens89 said:
Do any of you guys know if there is a maker that produces something that is similar to the m6 scout? I have seen plenty single shots in each caliber but no overunders. it just seems like such a fun gun. Give me one of those and my bk2 and I almost wouldn't mind getting lost in the woods :)
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Savage model 24 was an over-under. And it seems like some other company makes one that the barrel detaches and slides into the stock, just can't remember the model, thought it was a Savage as well.

This is the best "survival" gun for the woods, or at least a great starting point for Ethan Becker and say, Winchester to collaborate ;) An upgrade to the pipe hawk? Maybe not.
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Savage 24s over-under in 20 gauge/22lr...Took me years to find one and thats the ultimate survival gun in my book... Its also a take-down model and fits in a backpack...

When your small game hunting or deer hunting having a rifle/shotgun is the ticket...And the velocity from a longer barrel is needed to take down deer sized game, especially the big ones we have in PA..You tube has plenty of vids with the 410/45 revolvers and I wasn't very impressed,,not for a survivial weapon anyway...

I will admit,they're pretty neat though..

CD

Forgot to add : I have about seven, 5 round boxes of 20 ga slugs...Several boxes of field loads ranging from heavy turkey loads and #6 game loads...I still need some buck shot and,, I have 22lr out the wazoo....This weapons main job is to get MEAT for the family but will double duty for self-defence if need be..
 
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Someone suggested that in a crunch, ammo should be considered a non-renewable resource. How many shotgun shells can one carry? How many 22 shells? the ratio of 22 shells to 12 gage shells must be 15 or 20 to one.*
I stick with the idea that "better an inferior tool in expert hands" if push comes to shove more is better than less. My *0.02. City or country and accurate 0.22 with 3,000 rnds would get my vote over a .45 anything and 400 rounds.
 
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UZI said:
Someone suggested that in a crunch, ammo should be considered a non-renewable resource. How many shotgun shells can one carry? How many 22 shells? the ratio of 22 shells to 12 gage shells must be 15 or 20 to one.*
I stick with the idea that "better an inferior tool in expert hands" if push comes to shove more is better than less. My *0.02. City or country and accurate 0.22 with 3,000 rnds would get my vote over a .45 anything and 400 rounds.
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around 1000 rounds fits in a solid uncrushable 1 liter nalgene bottle.

:D
 
nguyet16 said:
How about this...Bond Arms derringer,the barrel is interchangable to shoot many types of calibers from .45,410,all the way to 22 :)http://bondarms.com/derringers-101
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yes but I'm told that trigger pull on a derringer is pretty stiff and you wouldn't be able to shot one very precisely anyway.

I have an AR7 explorer take down .22 rifle. it's a nice VERY light little gun and works well and shoots good. my henry variation comes with 2 8-shot mags and both can be stored in the stock. I know they have to make room for all the components inside the stock but I wish there was a way they could thin it down some, I don't care if it floats or not. it also really needs attachment points for a sling. also the gun can't go very long in between cleanings before reliability starts to suffer. I'm going to sell mine.
 
Jake Bauer said:
The ultimate survival gun will be the Circuit Judge in .22mag/LR. 9 shot, and with a folding stock of some kind it will pack down to nothing and well weigh less than 5 pounds. I sell the .45colt/410 version at work and its very handy and LIGHT. http://www.rossiusa.com/product-details.cfm?id=223&category=15&toggle=&breadcrumbseries=
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I definitely love those Rossi rifles and have thought more than once about picking one up. I guess I still live by the philosophy that a handgun is a means to get to a long gun, but if I had to pick one survival type gun, it's be a Rossi Circuit Judge.
 
A Remington 870 12 ga. 20" vent rib barrel with choke tubes, is capable of taking any small game stationary, moving, or on the fly. With a clamp on iron or a red dot sight with a rifled choke tube, it can take big game out to 100 yards reliably. The 870 will also work for protection of personnel and property. Everyone and their brother has twelve gauge ammunition. Any gunsmith worth their salt will have parts on hand and knowledge to repair it if the gun fails.
 
That's a wild 10/22.

I don't think the .410 with shot in a rifled barrel is worth anything, except for snakes. Rifling is the bane of shot patterns.
Slugs, ok, but then why not a .45Colt?

I agree with the earlier post, a Ruger Single-Six or a bolt-action .22LR. Ideally both. :-)
My TacSol buckmark would be a sweet, light packin' pistol, but frankly I prefer non-semi as they're less finicky and easier to clean (yes, I prefer to clean a revolver than an auto).

Though I'd be pretty happy with my .357 blackhawk on my belt... If I could keep it supplied. If you plan to be able to handload, you can make shot shells for it that would be effective enough for snakes without the overhead of the .410.

Hell, I'd be happy with my blackhawk on my belt at any time. In fact it might cheer me up right now! Dang, I need a carry permit!

I have a mod'd 20" CZ 452 .22LR that is stone reliable, light, and accurate to 200yds. That would be my current pick.

-Daizee
 
Love a 357, you can fire 38 special, or 357 through it and it hits like a train, thats why I posted the lever action Rossi carbine that takes 38 and 357.
I think that would be a great oh crap gun, enough punch to take down something large and 38 and 357 both are pretty common ammo and easy to come by.
Carry a revolver on your hip, and this carbine and both can use the same ammo, not a bad set up.

I think as far as the 410 judge or the other, the pistol is cool, but really not a great actual tool.
The carbine I think though in a smooth bore would make a fine ranch/woods gun. 410 is pretty versatile ammo wise and you can probably even find Sabot slugs for smooth bore.
Forget the other ammo you can run through it, a 410 alone can be a great great gun, and its fun to shoot too.
So take away all the gimmick and just look at it as a 6 shot repeating 410 gauge carbine in synthetic stock with fiber sights and its pretty nice.
Just my thoughts on it anyway.
Gotta say though a 30 shot 22 winmag pistol would be a fantastic accompaniment to this, for stuff that a 410 might be overkill on.
 
Survival items are something that you can own and carry so it's there when you need it. So for me it's a bow :D Poor german kid.
 
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