Phill Hartsfield KWAIKEN - AIKUICHI - KOZUKA (VIDEO) New VIDEO Page 17

[Matteo Escobar]

Not sure what that means? Is it a double ground blade(beveled on the side we can's see) ?

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

Yep, not a chisel grind.

 

[Matthew Gregory]

Many take it to almost a zero and put a small appleseed secondary grind. RJ Martin did this.

Phill would take the zero grind and then finish the edge with a buffer on both sides.

Adam, RJ's are full zero and buffed. Obscenely sharp!

 

[AVigil]

Adam, RJ's are full zero and buffed. Obscenely sharp!

This is what I remember reading

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/92879-Phill-Hartsfield-s-knives/page2


"Cliff: I have a way of sharpening that seems to create an almost microscopic "appleseed" edge on the ground side only. If you don't work on the bevel itself, you'll have a secondary edge almost immediately. You really need to work the main bevel itself."

RJ Martin

 

[Lycosa]

Both sides need to be buffed, correct?

 

[AVigil]

Both sides need to be buffed, correct?

Yep,

And we all know what happens to an edge when a rotary wheel hits it and polishes it

 

[JParanee]

Cliff Stamp

Now that's a blast from the past

 

[Doug C]

Adam, RJ's are full zero and buffed. Obscenely sharp!

So is mine, Matt.

Funny RJ story, collector/part time knife moderator we all know had 4 for sale when I went on the search.
Sends me the pics, immediately spotted the one I wanted most.

Oh No, sez' he.
Not THAT one !

This went on with the next two knives as well.
Guess folks like to hang on to their RJs.

Sorry for the OT.

Doug

 

[Matthew Gregory]

Adam, that statement is 100% accurate on all of RJ's knives, EXCEPT his chisel ground kwaiken. Those are full flat, zero ground edges and buffed. I watched him do it.


...and, I texted him to make sure I had my facts straight before I posted. heheh

Let's not bring Cliff back into ANY discussion, please.

 

[AVigil]

Adam, that statement is 100% accurate on all of RJ's knives, EXCEPT his chisel ground kwaiken. Those are full flat, zero ground edges and buffed. I watched him do it.


...and, I texted him to make sure I had my facts straight before I posted. heheh

Let's not bring Cliff back into ANY discussion, please.

Oh that discussion was about chisel ground blades comparing RJ to Phills.

Sure but the mere fact a round surface was used to polish the edge will "microscopically" round the edge. For all intents and purposes you can call it Zero but you do not use round wheels to keep things flat

You use flat surfaces to keep things flat.

 

[JParanee]

Good stuff

I've been using jewel Stiks and buffing wheels with some rouge for years to sharpen knives ....... Works okay

 

[AVigil]

Yes it does, my point exactly

 

[JParanee]

There are lots of ways to skin a cat

RJ and Phill sure new how to do it

Really excited to see all of your work guys

 

[AVigil]

There are lots of ways to skin a cat

RJ and Phill sure new how to do it

Really excited to see all of your work guys

Absolutely

To maintain a true "Zero" grind there has to be zero angle to the sharpening. The entire bevel must be laid flat and metal removed to maintain a true zero grind any deviation from "Zero" induces and angle which is more then zero at the cutting edge.

It is just geometry. Personally I like an apple seed cutting edge on my chisel grinds. I find them razor sharp and easy to maintain by the user with sharpening sticks, strops and buffers.

But unless people are laying their entire blade flat on a stone or platen, they are not going to be able to maintain a true zero edge.

That is just the facts folks now back to regular programming

 

[Matthew Gregory]

Never mind - not worth contining this and diverting this awesome thread.

 

[JParanee]

I can remember bringing my Hartsfield Katana in to my Dojo to cut with

My Sensei would com,net that it was the sharpest sword he had ever seen

He was a highly ranked martial artist from Japan and had starred in the original documentary BUDO

Point is he had seen a lot of swords

We cut a lot of matts with that sword and dried shitty bamboo

He would comment that he was curious what it would do on armor

He used to,say cutting matts with it was cheating

A much younger me

 

[JParanee]

Adam

He is the swordsman featured that is shown 20 seconds into the clip and is featured through out the rest

[video=youtube_share;KvRIJBT6mLU]http://youtu.be/KvRIJBT6mLU[/video]

A much older version of him when I was being trained by him

I'm young as hell here and rather pumped up....... This was my first tournament in NY City decades ago



People ask where I learned to handle blades like I do

9 hrs a week for many years with this guy kicking your ass teaches you

He could take a Wak sized Boken an kick 3 guys ass with full size Shinai

He is and was awesome

He went back to Japan and I owe him a lot

 

[AVigil]

Joe that was very cool

And Matt you are right we should "zero" in on the topic of this thread and not deviate from zero

 

[BenR.T.]

Cool video Joe. :thumbup:

 

[JParanee]

Thanks Adam and Ben

 

[Mecha]

This thread is just too fun to miss out, so here's my Phill Hartsfield-like object. Some of those little angles are hard to hit just right, and at some point I just had to stop and not make it worse! Ya'll aren't kidding, the design looks striking and cuts like . The blade is ground from a hammer-forged beta ti billet, with very simple copper ornaments under a deerskin wrap. As outstanding as a metal sheath sounds, I can't take the glory away from my Øye my leatherwork droid, and a matching sheath is under construction; I'll post some photos of the whole setup when it's complete. Thanks for the great thread, JParanee.