Phill Hartsfield's knives?

Cliff,

The 1/16" stock Hartsfield blades I'm referring to have been 3 to 3.5" I don't pry with them; they don't seem to flex at all with the usage I give them. I don't really know how tough or bendable they are, but on the other hand, never had one chip and never had a deformed edge. They seem like a perfect compromise for the intended use. Yes, the 1/16" blade cuts like crazy. It'll cut a soup can open like it's nothing!
 
I've been collecting Hartsfields for a few years and the people in my martial arts group are big fans of his. My everyday carry knife is a double edge, 1/16" thick kozuka keychain and I love it. I got it a few months ago and retired another kozuka that I had been carrying for almost 3 years. It had never been resharpened and was still razor sharp. I've spoken to people who have used his knives hard and they all say, "nothing cuts like a Hartsfield." I've heard him speak about the spirit of the blade. It's an old oriental concept. I'm not sure if I fully believe it, but there are a lot of strange things in this world, and I don't disbelieve it either. I was at the East Coast Custom Knife Show on Friday and had the pleasure to see him again. Despite the controversey generated here, almost all his blades were gone 15 minutes after the doors opened. I've never met a blademaker nicer to deal with or more sincere. I enjoy owning and using his knives.
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by yitz:
...they all say, "nothing cuts like a Hartsfield." I've heard him speak about the spirit of the blade. It's an old oriental concept. I'm not sure if I fully believe it, but there are a lot of strange things in this world, and I don't disbelieve it either. </font>

I am blessed/cursed with a bias towards the left side of my brain, being an engineer by training and profession. Engineers don't last long if they are fanciful at the expense of practical.

Knife making fascinates me because the good makers can exercise both sides of their brains... they can impress me with ergonomics (left) and style (right), practicality of blade and handle shape for a given purpose (left), and cleverness of sheath/carry systems (left & right) along with the technical stuff like heat treat and grind for performance (left). I get great satisfaction from finding, owning, carrying, and using knives that speak to me on all of these fronts. I still own about 1/2 of the knives I've ever purchased, those that left doing so as a result of the learning process.

If the "spirit of the blade" refers to a very refined heat treatment for a particular type of steel for a particular purpose, then I understand. If "spirit of the blade" refers to some mysticism or incantation or even meditation or prayer-over-finished-product, or other similar "eye of newt, toe of frog" approach, well, I can't pay any of my personal money as a premium for such things, as they are lost on me so I get no return ... I'll take the cutting or chopping tests as indication of heat treat and "spirit".

And for my own personal money, Hartsfield looks like a master niche marketer and a decent (but not great) maker with a product that would appear to be 50% to 100% overpriced. Simply having Hartsfield's name on a simple chisel ground A2 blade with a good heat treat isn't worth that premium to me. Your (generically, not aimed at Yitz) opinions and expenditure tendencies may vary.

If all you want is a cost effective, no nonsense cutting/utility knife, I suggest Bob Dozier's work, as his heat treat of D2 is great, his designs spartan and utilitarian, his sheaths very functional if you like kydex, and his prices very reasonable for fixed blades (most all between $120 and $180).

I own one RJ Martin's knives, the Trek. It is a tremendous knife that reflects, to my eye, tremendous refinement in it's final design, in it's niche. I have four more of RJ's knives in mind for the next year+. They speak to me on the aforementioned fronts (having handled them at a show).


[This message has been edited by rdangerer (edited 02-03-2001).]
 
I think RJ's knives are as nice as anyone is going to find in the Traditional Japanese style or just about any style for that matter.. Maybe if he waved dead chickens over them or something he might get that "Mystique" thing going for him!!:-)
On the serious side, RJ is about the most knowledgeable guy I have ever asked a question.. And when people talk about "Understanding the Chisel Grind" nobody understands it better than him.. RJ is a great guy and an even better knife maker, you wont go wrong buying any of that guys knives..

Take Care
Trace Rinaldi
 
I once thought that I had reached a closure in the whole RJ JSP and artsfield chaos in my mind.. up until I discovered this old thread today.. now I am in chaos again..

I enjoyed reading this thread thanks for posting it MrG - and I don't think I can contrinute anythig that has been said already - primarily with he JSP fiaasco with hartsfield and how JSP is incanely protective of his wares.

I think I will do soothing wave and meditate now...
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Not to dispell any myths, but "time in the saddle" is not the best way to judge a makers product. I have been in this business full time for 20 years, buying, selling, trading and making literally thousands of knives.
There are currently many young (in the business for less than five years) makers who are blowing away the "old men". Why?, because they have a foudation to grow from,and growth is the key word.
I met Bob Dozier back in the mid 80's. Believe me when it comes to knives and knife making, he is a no nonsence man. Bob gave me a piece of advise that took my ego out of the picture. I had been grinding about 5 years and thought I was pretty hot. Bob said, "Frizzell, you can make the same old mess the same old way the rest of your life, or you can learn to make a better knife in a better way". Bob is a perfectionist and is never through looking for ways to improve his craft.
So, basically I'm saying, take a look at what a maker has done over time, has his skills improved, has his product improved.
Personally, if you are not a collector, or into the aftermarket sales, forget who made the knife. Judge the knife on its own merit, not the length of time the maker has been in business.

Ted Frizzell
Mineral Mountain Hatchet Works


 
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