Pistol/dagger project

CDH said:
Bruce, mind if I share some of our pictures with guys on another forum? You'll get full credit and I'll link them back to this thread for details. This is just too cool of a project!!!
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Yes by all means. Where is the forum? I like to cruise around related forums too.
 
...looking sweet Bruce :thumbup:
I see the package was delivered yesterday will that last you a while :D

you know,, I do that because, then I know that I have a little bit to do with those great pieces of work you do ;) :D
 
Dan Gray said:
...looking sweet Bruce :thumbup:
I see the package was delivered yesterday will that last you a while :D

you know,, I do that because, then I know that I have a little bit to do with those great pieces of work you do ;) :D
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Got the package. Thats enough 1095 for 3 or 4 more. Thanks Dan!!
 
Bruce Bump said:
Got the package. That's enough 1095 for 3 or 4 more. Thanks Dan!!
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you're welcome, Bruce
3 or 4 more ? you have some humongous springs there :D or

Are you using it for more than springs ? if so and I knew I would have sent you more.. :)
 
Egad, Bruce, your pistol/knife projects always make me weak in the knees.....thanks for sharing the process with us!
 
bruce.....it looks great.....one question.....remember i am not a gun fanatic.....what do you have to do in terms of design to accomidate all of the little doo-dads for the gun mechanism.....granted i don't know what goes into making a working revolver but i would assume u need alot of the same parts to make the intenal mechanism.....do you sketch your design out on paper......or do you have to do a drawing that is much more detailed on a computer with some type of software.......i find t interesting because your designs always seem to flow so well and look great in their shapes overall.....but you do have to consider the fact you have to fit all those doo-dads in there......thanks for any explanation....ryan
 
ryan9977 said:
bruce.....it looks great.....one question.....remember i am not a gun fanatic.....what do you have to do in terms of design to accomidate all of the little doo-dads for the gun mechanism.....granted i don't know what goes into making a working revolver but i would assume u need alot of the same parts to make the intenal mechanism.....do you sketch your design out on paper......or do you have to do a drawing that is much more detailed on a computer with some type of software.......i find t interesting because your designs always seem to flow so well and look great in their shapes overall.....but you do have to consider the fact you have to fit all those doo-dads in there......thanks for any explanation....ryan
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Good question Ryan,
These mechanisms so far have been simple and almost like the originals in design. Basically I draw pictures of what they will look like and erase several times. I wish I could use the software to make the drawings but it is aggrevating to me because its so hard to learn CAD. My designs look like they will work on paper so I make a few copies and cut the hammer and trigger out and white glue them to steel. Drill the holes first and cut out the parts on a metal cutting band saw. Leave them slightly oversize so they can be filed to actual size. Pin the trigger and hammer to a steel plate and see if they work. Ive made several of the same part until they do fit and work together. The frame is pretty much the same procedure. One piece at a time and before ya know it, its done. I couldnt do it with out a milling machine.
 
Bruce, amazing project!

Bruce Bump said:
Basically I draw pictures of what they will look like and erase several times. I wish I could use the software to make the drawings but it is aggrevating to me because its so hard to learn CAD..
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Have you ever tried playing with Sketchup?
features

It's very easy to use and learn.
http://sketchup.google.com/training/videos.html

Back before Google bought it, Sketchup was described as the 3D equivalent of sketching on a paper napkin.
Best of all, there is a free version. :D
 
amazing bruce......thanks for the info.....could you share a sketch of your pics you drew......do you have the handle material all planned out.....ryan
 
Bruce, we all want to come live with you - too bad we're not a bunch of leggy redheads, eh? :D

Question about the mechanism. Will the hammer rest against the nipple when it's not cocked? Then just cock and fire? Does it use a primer of some kind? You can see I'm utterly ignorant how this works.

Did you leave more material in the hammer than the trigger to provide extra inertia to fire the gun? Or is it because the additional mass in the hammer visually balances with the barrel?

I'm sure my questions aren't very clear, for which I apologize.

Thank you for sharing this fantastic project. I'm sure I'm not the only one living in awe of someone who can make stuff like this. You cannot imagine the inspiration you give me every day.
 
ryan9977 said:
amazing bruce......thanks for the info.....could you share a sketch of your pics you drew......do you have the handle material all planned out.....ryan
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I have 3 scetches somewhere around here but this one doesnt match any of them except in handle design.

On this mechanism I used .010" thick fiber spacer material and cut the hammer and trigger out several times until they work together. Using the fiber will give me a pattern for another gun someday unlike paper that just gets tossed in the trash. I want to save the fiber patterns and adapt them to other configurations of frames or another gun one like this.

A friend wants to take my finished pistol and put the design on a working blue print. That way a good operator with a milling machine with a DRO (digital read out) can actually make one of these. The plan will include a "take down" front section so the blade will come off and can be made of a different material such as high carbon steel or damascus.

This one has a one piece forged frame and blade of high carbon steel and because of that was somewhat of a problem machining. If the frame could be separate from the blade and made from low carbon steel it could be machined easier, also engraved easier, not to mention heat treating will be a snap.
 
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ddavelarsen said:
Bruce, we all want to come live with you - too bad we're not a bunch of leggy redheads, eh? :D

Question about the mechanism. Will the hammer rest against the nipple when it's not cocked? Then just cock and fire? Does it use a primer of some kind? You can see I'm utterly ignorant how this works.

Did you leave more material in the hammer than the trigger to provide extra inertia to fire the gun? Or is it because the additional mass in the hammer visually balances with the barrel?

I'm sure my questions aren't very clear, for which I apologize.

Thank you for sharing this fantastic project. I'm sure I'm not the only one living in awe of someone who can make stuff like this. You cannot imagine the inspiration you give me every day.
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I do like a leggy red head. I married one but now shes a blonde.:D

The hammer needs to strike a primer to fire and does rest on the nipple until cocked. It has no safety half-cock position. This gun is a "cap and ball" and uses a standard #11 cap available from any sporting goods store.

Its a .25 calibur smooth bore barrel and because its smooth will require a patch of cloth wrapped around the ball. Patches come in different thicknesses to make the ball fit tight enough to allow the black powder more time to build pressure for better recoil and muzzle speed. This barrel bore measures .260" and the bullet is .250" leaving room for a .005" thick patch.

Yes the hammer is made big enough to hit the cap hard enough to pop it. The spring may need adjustment to give it more pressure if it doesnt pop every time. Time will tell. It will get shot plenty of times.

Thanks for the compliments and the questions.
 
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Photobucket is working for me again. I wonder if they will only allow so many in a time period. Oh well here is more progress.

I set my Grizzley mill to an angle and drilled the butt to accept the ram rod.
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I can sure see why Kaye married me, I am handsome!
 
Thanks for sharing BB.:thumbup: But going forward could you please spare us by not posting any pic's of you in this thread.:jerkit: My eyes were just getting better after looking a Ray's pic in Blade. :eek::eek:HEHEHEHEHEHE!!!
 
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Here I have the hole drilled and tapped for 5/16 coarse threads and counterbored to accept the ram rod.
Here is the ram rod in its early stages on the metal lathe.
 
indian george said:
Thanks for sharing BB.:thumbup: But going forward could you please spare us by not posting any pic's of you in this thread.:jerkit: My eyes were just getting better after looking a Ray's pic in Blade. :eek::eek:HEHEHEHEHEHE!!!
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I see youre still jealous of my good looks :D
 
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