Please explain what is and isn't "trolling"

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When I say that there is a weirdly insulting culture here, the fact that multiple people keep hurling W&C insults as if it simply doesn't matter in Tech support is another one of those indicators.

Why are the people who pay so much lip service to the "community" so inimical to its most basic rules?

I don't get it.
 
We all pretty well know what is and isn't trolling. The problem becomes the practical application.

What I do is type up a full response to a post and then hit preview. Then I read my post and sometimes I just hit the back button and back myself all the way out of a thread without leaving any reply at all.

Even when I really wanted to say something or score some points. I just say no. Once you've done it a couple times it gets real easy to do.

When I'm doing that I can relax because I know I'm not trolling.

I have done this myself as well, many times. If I read it and think it's over the top or it sounds like I'm being a royal jerk, I just hit delete and keep going.
 
I'd like to call into question the whole point of this thread, at first it seemed like a query into why one post got infracted and some others that might or might not have been similar didn't, which while not really a good question is still a tech support thread. Now it just seems to be a bait thread so both sides can throw around personal attacks and broad generalizations, which is not what Tech support is meant to handle.

Doesn't seem like a productive thread at all
 
I'd like to call into question the whole point of this thread, at first it seemed like a query into why one post got infracted and some others that might or might not have been similar didn't, which while not really a good question is still a tech support thread. Now it just seems to be a bait thread so both sides can throw around personal attacks and broad generalizations, which is not what Tech support is meant to handle.

Doesn't seem like a productive thread at all

I haven't baited anyone. My broad observation that people get so worked up about the forum behavior that they will act poorly is pretty dead on.


This is in tech support because the forum is constructed in such a way that there is no way for a regular member to have a conversation with mod.



Editorial: I think that Marcinek and Craytabs "troll hunter" behavior has been used in the past to flush out really thin skinned and insulting people who then got themselves banned with their overreactions. I think it is backfiring with me since I don't lose my head. The backfire is going on its second year, so someone may want to think about whether letting a group act as instigators is always a good idea.

I can certainly eventually get banned a couple points at time, but only after it is really obvious that some people get infractions and other people do not. The number of forum members noting this apparent discontinuity is growing. That is not going to make the mods' jobs easier over time.
 
I can certainly eventually get banned a couple points at time, but only after it is really obvious that some people get infractions and other people do not.

Your perception on that is just plain wrong.
The very people you think don't get infractions most certainly have from time to time.
 
Rx just stop trying to always "win". You're almost twice my age and I see what's going on here clearly, how can you not? Relax, read more post less, and stop acting like a victim.

When you're not complaining or discounting others opinions, you're an alright guy. Try and be more pleasant to interact with and just ignore those who you find unpleasant too interact with.
 
When confronted with an established community with pre-existing norms, do you try and change said community or accept the community as it is or find one more to your liking?
 
When confronted with an established community with pre-existing norms, do you try and change said community or accept the community as it is or find one more to your liking?

Good question. First you have to find out what the norms are.
 
The norm is people use the report button. Sometimes long after you posted.
 
We all pretty well know what is and isn't trolling. The problem becomes the practical application.

What I do is type up a full response to a post and then hit preview. Then I read my post and sometimes I just hit the back button and back myself all the way out of a thread without leaving any reply at all.

Even when I really wanted to say something or score some points. I just say no. Once you've done it a couple times it gets real easy to do.

When I'm doing that I can relax because I know I'm not trolling.
Same here.

Over the past few years I have deleted about half of the posts I've typed out, including some long ones.

I've developed a few "philosophies" for posting on forums, and they are as follows-

1. The world doesn't need to read my every opinion.

2. Just because I disagree with someone doesn't mean I have to publicly express my disagreement.

3. Just because someone posts something that is factually incorrect doesn't mean I have to correct them.

4. Don't be a jerk.



In regards to this thread, unless the video posted by RX-79G contained profanity, nudity, or racial or sexist slurs, then I don't see the cause for an infraction (I didn't watch the entire video). I was reading that thread, and a "red card" infraction seems a bit harsh.

I keep seeing people say that there is no way of knowing if someone else is receiving infractions, but the little yellow and red infraction cards appear in the lower left hand corner of the offending posts for all to see. I don't know if it's possible for a mod to issue an infraction privately.

I've received a total of two infractions during my 13+ years here, the last one was in May 2013, and both times little yellow and red cards appeared in the corner of my posts (my last infraction (red card) was issued by a guy who was stripped of his moderator status, and later banned, so take that for whatever it's worth).




The following are universal comments, and not directed at anyone in particular-

I'm 46 years old, and a few times in my life I have been in positions of authority over other men (both in the free world, and while incarcerated). Among other things, I've been responsible for arbitrating disputes and issuing punishment to those who were in the wrong (sometimes harsh punishment). I am currently in a position of authority again, I have a dozen employees working for me. My point is- I know a thing or two about being in a position of authority over others.

I also have a lifetime of witnessing how different people exert their authority over others, including LEO's, prison guards, and various employers and supervisors, etc. And from my own experience, and observations, I've learned the following-

Every person in a position of authority shares at least one common characteristic- we are all mere mortal humans. And as such, we are all imperfect and fallible. We are all capable of having biases and prejudices, we are all capable of showing preferences and favoritism towards those we like, and acting unfairly and harshly towards those we don't like. And we are just as capable as anyone else of acting, sometimes unfairly, out of frustration, irritation, and anger.

I never met anyone who is perfect, and being given a position of authority doesn't make one perfect, or grant them immunity from pettiness and all other manner of human flaws. The fact is- power doesn't erase a mans flaws, in many cases it amplifies them.

I believe that people in positions of authority (including myself), if they truly believe in being fair in the execution of their authority, will continually evaluate their decisions, actions, and the motivations behind them, and make a concentrated effort to overcome those basic human flaws and carry out the duties of their authority in the fairest manner possible.

And speaking for myself, I appreciate it when someone under my authority tells me when they think that I have treated them, or someone else, unfairly. Because being an imperfect human I don't always recognize my own flaws when they are in action. And if no one ever points out my unfairness, I may not notice it, and miss the opportunity to correct it and prevent it in the future.

Of course, some people in positions of authority believe that they are above question, and that they should never be criticized or have their actions evaluated. I consider such attitudes to be quite unreasonable, and I consider those people to be beyond reason.

Something else I've learned is- if a person cannot carry out the duties of their authority fairly, without bias, and without succumbing to anger and frustration, then they should save themselves the irritation and headaches and step down from that position of authority.

As someone in a position of authority, I strive not only to be fair in the execution of my authority, but to also maintain the appearance of fairness. But that's me.

Yeah I know, long post. But hey, no one forced you to read it. ;)
 
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Killgar, I agree with you on a few things, one of which is I as well often need to walk away from a post. I keep a personal tally of topics I really try to stay out of, I'm not as good at it as I should be, but at least its there.

I think the comment about infractions is that if you don't see the post, you can't search for others infractions (as far as I understand)
They happen, so do speeding tickets, just pay the fine and drive careful for a bit. Don't claim the fine is wrong and push the pedal harder.

RX the thing that is getting on a lot of nerves, is that you have to be right. Especially when its a question with no answer. The 1095 thread was a lot of "I think this, but I don't know" responses, and you kept hammering on. Your reading disrespect into others posts took it off the rails. You might have felt that the questions were fair, but others did not. They were trying to have a conversation, and it just didn't work. Not sure if you were also watching the reaction in W&C with your blade shape thread, but I'm kinda glad you let it die a natural death. It got a bit contentious, and to be honest I think there were about three different lines of dialogue happening, some responses didn't quite seem to be meshing along, but it worked itself out. You have been told in threads what people have problems with, be it definitions, or pedantry, or shifting goalposts.

Yes there are some who seem to delight in seeing how close to the edge you can get. Don't take that personally, Its kinda fun seeing how far someone will get before they blow out. The fact that your threads are predictable just mean they get noted.

Consider the people who have chimed in so far. They have two options in this thread, harass you further, or add actual input. Even those who will add to the snark fest in W&C have tried to be helpful. Even those who catch as much heat and insult as you do. Consider that as a sign of the length of the goodwill around here. My advice would be to chuck a bunch of the members who rub you the wrong way on ignore. Do what you do. Then over time you will see how others are responding, and you can always choose to click the view post button. But you will need to consider how you come across. maybe read your posts out loud, or in a funny voice in your head. Dead-pan it, anything to break up how you are thinking, so that your sarcasm isn't getting in your way. Or maybe its time for a break. Everyone needs one from time to time. The only other option is for others to just put you on ignore until it stops being fun at all.
 
I've been handed chiclets for saying things I shouldn't have, you take your lumps and move on. Every time you start these threads you draw attention to YOURSELF more than anyone, which I would wager is to your detriment.

Keep doing it and see what happens. If you can't heed advice you're destined to learn the hard way.

People have been telling you why you're not well liked for some time now (me included) but all that falls on deaf ears.

I can ponder how you'll end up by watching you repeatedly do the same things over. Good luck.
 
The OP is annoying, generally speaking, even when he's "right." He's far from the only one of these characters. There are a couple of mods who seem to overuse their authority, in my opinion. There are a few members who love nothing more than bopping into threads and telling everyone how to behave, or not behave. All of these have one thing in common - in the grand scheme of things they are minor bugs in an otherwise enjoyable place to visit. Life in general is kind of like that. Get over it.
 
I'm going surfing this morning! :D

I'm a super model.

Back on topic: ^ You SOB, Kiah! For at least a year, I'd always thought, that you were, a hot chick. You used to have this avatar picture of this super hot exotic girl...remember, the one with the plumeria flower in her hair??? Yeah- that one!!! :mad:

Just so you know, I really did think, that that you were in fact, this girl. I actually went as far as to type you a PM, asking if you'd send me some swimsuit/lingerie pictures...but I couldn't find the courage to send it...

Then I found out the truth: that you weren't, in fact a chick!

I actually considered reporting you for doing this to me...but decided it was best to man up, & just move on....

BTW- would it be possible, Kiah, for you to pull that picture out of the archives, & use it as your avatar picture again? :D
 
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I've been handed chiclets for saying things I shouldn't have, you take your lumps and move on. Every time you start these threads you draw attention to YOURSELF more than anyone, which I would wager is to your detriment.

Keep doing it and see what happens. If you can't heed advice you're destined to learn the hard way.

People have been telling you why you're not well liked for some time now (me included) but all that falls on deaf ears.

I can ponder how you'll end up by watching you repeatedly do the same things over. Good luck.

I don't care whether I'm liked - especially by your anti-social club. I just want the rules to pertain to everyone in exactly the same way.

If I'm a "troll" who must go, fine. Just treat the rest of the trolls the same way. No one here has earned the right to make their personal dislike BS the main topic in any thread they want.


And the fact that you guys have conferences in W&C about whether a thread someone is in is going well enough is sick. I'm one person in thousands who likes talking about knives. That doesn't require your group monitoring or all the talk about hating people. You're adults - stop with the 4th grade hate nonsense. Try having an individually arrived at opinion, and not posting as a group or egging each other on. Eight mouths spouting the same opinion is not eight opinions.
 
I don't care whether I'm liked - especially by your anti-social club. I just want the rules to pertain to everyone in exactly the same way.

If I'm a "troll" who must go, fine. Just treat the rest of the trolls the same way. No one here has earned the right to make their personal dislike BS the main topic in any thread they want.


And the fact that you guys have conferences in W&C about whether a thread someone is in is going well enough is sick. I'm one person in thousands who likes talking about knives. That doesn't require your group monitoring or all the talk about hating people. You're adults - stop with the 4th grade hate nonsense. Try having an individually arrived at opinion, and not posting as a group or egging each other on. Eight mouths spouting the same opinion is not eight opinions.

Okay.
 
This entire post is incorrect. Good luck on your crusade of telling the mods what the need to do. Thousands of people have zero issue here but apparently none of those people matter, just your self absorbed ego attempting to push your opinion on every one as fact.

Fact is, whether you like it or not the mods do a great job and the only major issue is the one YOU seem to have with how THEY do their job.

If you don't like how things are run here, log out. Pretty simple. Instead you start thread after thread whining about how the mods should do their job.



I don't care whether I'm liked - especially by your anti-social club. I just want the rules to pertain to everyone in exactly the same way.

If I'm a "troll" who must go, fine. Just treat the rest of the trolls the same way. No one here has earned the right to make their personal dislike BS the main topic in any thread they want.


And the fact that you guys have conferences in W&C about whether a thread someone is in is going well enough is sick. I'm one person in thousands who likes talking about knives. That doesn't require your group monitoring or all the talk about hating people. You're adults - stop with the 4th grade hate nonsense. Try having an individually arrived at opinion, and not posting as a group or egging each other on. Eight mouths spouting the same opinion is not eight opinions.
 
This entire post is incorrect. Good luck on your crusade of telling the mods what the need to do. Thousands of people have zero issue here but apparently none of those people matter, just your self absorbed ego attempting to push your opinion on every one as fact.

Fact is, whether you like it or not the mods do a great job and the only major issue is the one YOU seem to have with how THEY do their job.

If you don't like how things are run here, log out. Pretty simple. Instead you start thread after thread whining about how the mods should do their job.

That isn't at all true. Other people, even in this thread, agree that staff should treat everyone the same way.


The mods are smart enough not to fall for your usual "mod sass" nonsense. They don't need you to tell them what to think, and I don't need you to attempt to shut me or anyone else up with scare tactics. There is nothing scary about being banned from a forum or being disliked by semi-pro misanthropes.
 
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