Deal posted for a BRK Bravo for $150 for two days. I said I would take it. I was sent a paypal address with the agreement to pay as soon as I got off of a flight. Upon paying I received notice from Pokerface that he realized he wanted to charge more so he was pulling out of the deal. A couple of days later I sent a PM stating I was still stinging from his unwarranted withdrawal and asked what amount it would take to complete the deal. I was told an additional $25 would do it. I noted that I would send that amount to complete the deal. I did and Pokerface returned my money saying he did not agree to the deal, again. He can keep his knife at this point. This was plain bullshit.
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Pokerface deal gone bad.
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Yikes, good call on starting a thread to document his behavior. Some of us use the search function to check out buyers/sellers we are unfamiliar with before a deal.
Did he have any excuse for pulling out a second time? (<----Funny)
Did he have any excuse for pulling out a second time? (<----Funny)
Does he know about this thread? He should have his chance to explain though it never looks good when a seller deletes all his posts in a sales thread. That said, you should not have left him negative feedback. There was no deal. The rules are very clear on this.
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I would never pay more than the agreed on price.The one exception would be a typo. I don't expect to get a custom mayo TNT for $200 even if I put I'll take it, and he says it's yours. It is an obvious typo and you should inform the seller so you both can get back on the right page as to price.
Thanks for posting
Doing these deals without a problem is just not that difficult,. I don't know why so many are making it hard.
Describe you item fully through text and photos
State a reasonable price(preferably one price for all)
Once you have made the deal. you have made the deal
Buyer pays quickly
Seller mails quickly, and goods should arrive as promised
If you have personal problems that may delay the sending of the money or mailing of the item, state so upfront
Treat others at least as well as you would wanted to be treated yourself.
I have done 100's of these deals and other then a couple where we were in disagreement on condition(which can happen with used items), they all went off without a hitch(even with being one of the worst photo takers on the internet). Those couple we just worked it out(by return or compensation).
Thanks for posting
Doing these deals without a problem is just not that difficult,. I don't know why so many are making it hard.
Describe you item fully through text and photos
State a reasonable price(preferably one price for all)
Once you have made the deal. you have made the deal
Buyer pays quickly
Seller mails quickly, and goods should arrive as promised
If you have personal problems that may delay the sending of the money or mailing of the item, state so upfront
Treat others at least as well as you would wanted to be treated yourself.
I have done 100's of these deals and other then a couple where we were in disagreement on condition(which can happen with used items), they all went off without a hitch(even with being one of the worst photo takers on the internet). Those couple we just worked it out(by return or compensation).
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^ This! Not cool, Breezie! :thumbdn::thumbdn: READ THE LEARN THE RULES!!!
^ So was your unwarranted negative feedback. All this drama over a knife, when you could've just as easily moved on, & found another knife.
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This isn't what happened here though. Seller had a knife and price listed, buyer agreed to take it and made payment. Seller then said he's backing out of the sale because he should have asked more for it. Buyer agrees to thrown in another $25, as agreed to by the seller. Payment is made again and the sell backs out a second time...
I definitely want to hear the other side of this one.
Oh, wow. I had a feeling you were petty, Breezie. Hate to see that I was right.
To clarify, I didn't outright ask you for more money.
Breezie claimed it on the post and said he would send payment after his plane landed. I should have just sold it off, and that was my mistake. Instead, while I waited for his plane to land, I messaged him back and told him not to send money. The knife is near new and I was taking a huge loss so I was going to KEEP IT.
His reply was something to the effect of "I understand".
So that's it, I thought, there's no deal...I begin to sharpen my knife.
A day or so after, Breezie sends another message saying that he was still "stinging" over the Bravo. He asked what could be done to get the knife.
I wasn't going to reply...after all, I'm already sharpening my knife. However, something told me he wouldn't let it go. I explained to him that the lowest that I would consider on the knife was +$25 on my original asking price BUT even then, I wasn't happy with the deal because I would pocket $160 (after fees and shipping) on a knife that was $230.
I go out to dinner and a movie with the wife and kids and hours later...I open up Bladeforums and I had a few messages from Breezie.
The first says, "I could do that if you agree to it."
The very next message says, "thanks for making it right. I'm sending funds."
The last message, "I've sent money."
I'm looking at my messages and I fail to see where I even replied.
Funny how he doesn't mention that we didn't agree on the sale, I was hesitant about the price, or that I initially told him that I was going to keep it.
I'm not claiming to be 100% right on this, but I'm also not going to have someone push himself into a great deal at my expense.
To clarify, I didn't outright ask you for more money.
Breezie claimed it on the post and said he would send payment after his plane landed. I should have just sold it off, and that was my mistake. Instead, while I waited for his plane to land, I messaged him back and told him not to send money. The knife is near new and I was taking a huge loss so I was going to KEEP IT.
His reply was something to the effect of "I understand".
So that's it, I thought, there's no deal...I begin to sharpen my knife.
A day or so after, Breezie sends another message saying that he was still "stinging" over the Bravo. He asked what could be done to get the knife.
I wasn't going to reply...after all, I'm already sharpening my knife. However, something told me he wouldn't let it go. I explained to him that the lowest that I would consider on the knife was +$25 on my original asking price BUT even then, I wasn't happy with the deal because I would pocket $160 (after fees and shipping) on a knife that was $230.
I go out to dinner and a movie with the wife and kids and hours later...I open up Bladeforums and I had a few messages from Breezie.
The first says, "I could do that if you agree to it."
The very next message says, "thanks for making it right. I'm sending funds."
The last message, "I've sent money."
I'm looking at my messages and I fail to see where I even replied.
Funny how he doesn't mention that we didn't agree on the sale, I was hesitant about the price, or that I initially told him that I was going to keep it.
I'm not claiming to be 100% right on this, but I'm also not going to have someone push himself into a great deal at my expense.
He didn't pay twice. He was up on a plane after he claimed the knife. There was never an exchange of $150 because I told him that I was going to keep the knife.
He messaged me days later...I suggested $175 at the least, there was no agreement. I get back from dinner and I have a handful of messages and $175. I promptly refunded all of his money and I told him that he should have waited for me to tell him that we had a deal.
Seriously? Have you even taken the time to read the rules, concerning BF's feedback policy?
Regardless- with conflicting statements, are you just going to take the OP's typed word's, as fact?! Let's let this play out, & possibly one, or both member's will post some factual proof, in the form of actual communication between the two.
Your entitled to your opinion, John, as am I. I personally, wouldn't have gone to the trouble of starting a thread here, had this happened to me. In my tenure here, I've missed out on literally hundred's of knives (for various reasons)...none of which prompted me to start a negative thread about it...even worse, throw a self-entitled tantrum (as in the case of the OP), & leave NEGATIVE feedback.
So to answer your question: this situation, did not earn the seller, negative feedback. A thread in the GBU maybe, but not negative feedback.
Just my opinion. Take it for what's it worth, or ignore it...I personally do not care.
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^ It boggles my mind, that some long term member's still don't have the ability to comprehend simple rules.
As for Poker Face: I'm not saying he deserves a free pass, but at least give a tenured, reputable member (member since 2011 & 60+ 100% positive feedback rating), the ability to defend himself, & let the facts come out!
^ It boggles my mind, that some long term member's still don't have the ability to comprehend simple rules.
As for Poker Face: I'm not saying he deserves a free pass, but at least give a tenured, reputable member (member since 2011 & 60+ 100% positive feedback), the ability to defend himself, & the facts come out!
Agreed , I also think the title of this thread should be changed as there was no deal per the rules to have gone bad . As spark has said if you aren't out anything move on
Yup. He needed to decide before he listed a sale that he wanted to sell. To list an item at a price on a sales board then to change your mind after a buyer commits is just shady and bad, bad, bad. A man's word should men something, and that something should be exactly what that man's words say.
Trust is like a bank account. You can either deposit or withdraw. In this case in my mind Pokerface's account is currently overdrawn.
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