Pokerface deal gone bad.

SavageSmurf · May 1, 2016

KELAMA said:
Seriously? Have you even taken the time to read the rules, concerning BF's feedback policy?

Regardless- with conflicting statements, are you just going to take the OP's typed word's, as fact?! Let's let this play out, & possibly one, or both member's will post some factual proof, in the form of actual communication between the two.

Your entitled to your opinion, John, as am I. I personally, wouldn't have gone to the trouble of starting a thread here, had this happened to me. In my tenure here, I've missed out on literally hundred's of knives (for various reasons)...none of which prompted me to start a negative thread about it...even worse, throw a self-entitled tantrum (as in the case of the OP), & leave NEGATIVE feedback.

So to answer your question: this situation, did not earn the seller, negative feedback. A thread in the GBU maybe, but not negative feedback.

Just my opinion. Take it for what's it worth, or ignore it...I personally do not care.

"Testing the waters" or "ebay style auctioning," by offering an item for one price, and then changing it afterward, is prohibited by forum policy. Furthermore, the only thing the rules state about retaliatory feedback is that it shouldn't be left if no deal "happened." If everything the OP's saying is accurate, then a deal did happen, and feedback can, AND SHOULD be left, to inform future buyers of Poker's poor business practices. And just so there isn't any confusion, here's the definition of deal: an agreement entered into by two or more parties for their mutual benefit. The fact that the seller changed his mind afterward is irrelevant (and in bad taste IMO); once they agreed, the deal "happened." In accordance with BF policy, feedback can then be left.

It's possible the OP could be distorting the truth, but if what he's saying is accurate, he isn't in violation of the feedback policy... unless you're debating the dictionary's definition of the word deal, because that was a straight copy+paste.

cigarrodog · May 1, 2016

Am I missing something here? OP should not have left negative feedback. Period. Is it too much to ask that people read the rules? What ever righteousness you may have felt in posting here, is negated by your even more egregious behavior.

Spartan00 · May 1, 2016

From the rules...

Retaliatory negative feedback ratings can earn you an infraction. Getting pissed off because a deal didn't go though is no reason to try and ruin someones rep. You are expected to conduct yourself in a mature and responsible manner, failure to do so will result in warnings or infractions as necessary.
If a deal did not happen, there is no iTrader Feedback to leave. Sorry if you were inconvenienced, but life is full of disappointments. As long as you are not out any items or money, move along. Consider improving the terms of your sales threads / read the sellers terms carefully in order to avoid this before buying.

KELAMA · May 1, 2016

SavageSmurf said:
"Testing the waters" or "ebay style auctioning," by offering an item for one price, and then changing it afterward, is prohibited by forum policy. Furthermore, the only thing the rules state about retaliatory feedback is that it shouldn't be left if no deal "happened." If everything the OP's saying is accurate, then a deal did happen, and feedback can, AND SHOULD be left, to inform future buyers of Poker's poor business practices. And just so there isn't any confusion, here's the definition of deal: an agreement entered into by two or more parties for their mutual benefit. The fact that the seller changed his mind afterward is irrelevant (and in bad taste IMO); once they agreed, the deal "happened." In accordance with BF policy, feedback can then be left.

It's possible the OP could be distorting the truth, but if what he's saying is accurate, he isn't in violation of the feedback policy... unless you're debating the dictionary's definition of the word deal, because that was a straight copy+paste.

You may have read my comment...my question to you is: did you comprehend it?

"Regardless- with conflicting statements, are you just going to take the OP's typed word's, as fact?! Let's let this play out, & possibly one, or both member's will post some factual proof, in the form of actual communication between the two."

Would you like me to go & copy & paste BladeForums feedback rules, & highlight it for you also? I'm be more than happy to do this for you; just please let me know!

cigarrodog said:
Am I missing something here? OP should not have left negative feedback. Period. Is it too much to ask that people read the rules? What ever righteousness you may have felt in posting here, is negated by your even more egregious behavior.

^ X 1000! :thumbup: :thumbup:

WTF- did some people OD on stupid pills or something, last night?

KELAMA · May 1, 2016

Spartan00 said:
From the rules:

Retaliatory negative feedback ratings can earn you an infraction. Getting pissed off because a deal didn't go though is no reason to try and ruin someones rep. You are expected to conduct yourself in a mature and responsible manner, failure to do so will result in warnings or infractions as necessary.
If a deal did not happen, there is no iTrader Feedback to leave. Sorry if you were inconvenienced, but life is full of disappointments. As long as you are not out any items or money, move along. Consider improving the terms of your sales threads / read the sellers terms carefully in order to avoid this before buying.

^ Thank you! :thumbup: "Key word: "mature."

SavageSmurf · May 1, 2016

KELAMA said:
You may have read my comment...my question to you is: did you comprehend it?

"Regardless- with conflicting statements, are you just going to take the OP's typed word's, as fact?! Let's let this play out, & possibly one, or both member's will post some factual proof, in the form of actual communication between the two."

Would you like me to go & copy & paste BladeForums feedback rules, & highlight it for you also? I'm be more than happy to do this for you; just please let me know!

^ X 1000! :thumbup: :thumbup:

WTF- did some people OD on stupid pills or something, last night?

I read the rules too. If the OP's statement is accurate, the deal went through the moment they agreed to exchange the knife for a set price. I even defined the word "deal" for you, because you and a few other members commenting on this thread don't seem to understand it. No worries, ust reread my post a little more carefully, and you'll see it. The deal went through. OP left feedback. He didn't violate BF policy as it's written, and you're incorrect. The fact that the seller returned the money after the deal went through doesn't matter, and there's nothing in BF's policy that would indicate it does. Read more carefully.

SavageSmurf · May 1, 2016

KELAMA said:
^ Thank you! :thumbup:

A deal is simply entereing into a mutually beneficial agreement, which according to the OP, they did. Learn the definition of words, before you use them.

Spartan00 · May 1, 2016

SavageSmurf said:
A deal is simply entereing into a mutually beneficial agreement, which according to the OP, they did. Learn the definition of words, before you use them.

Websters definition of a deal doesn't matter . Sparks does

craytab · May 1, 2016

SavageSmurf said:
I read the rules too. If the OP's statement is accurate, the deal went through the moment they agreed to exchange the knife for a set price. I even defined the word "deal" for you, because you and a few other members commenting on this thread don't seem to understand it. No worries, ust reread my post a little more carefully, and you'll see it. The deal went through. OP left feedback. He didn't violate BF policy as it's written, and you're incorrect. The fact that the seller returned the money after the deal went through doesn't matter, and there's nothing in BF's policy that would indicate it does. Read more carefully.

SavageSmurf said:
A deal is simply entereing into a mutually beneficial agreement, which according to the OP, they did. Learn the definition of words, before you use them.

Sorry but that is not what the rules say. This one is so simple to understand. If the deal isn't done (IE not out any money or items) then there is no feedback. Simple as simple can be.

KELAMA · May 1, 2016

SavageSmurf said:
I read the rules too. If the OP's statement is accurate, the deal went through the moment they agreed to exchange the knife for a set price. I even defined the word "deal" for you, because you and a few other members commenting on this thread don't seem to understand it. No worries, ust reread my post a little more carefully, and you'll see it. The deal went through. OP left feedback. He didn't violate BF policy as it's written, and you're incorrect. The fact that the seller returned the money after the deal went through doesn't matter, and there's nothing in BF's policy that would indicate it does. Read more carefully.

^ We're talking about: "BLADEFORUM RULES," not what YOUR definition of a "deal" is.

Spartan00 said:
Websters definition of a deal doesn't matter . Sparks does

^

:thumbup:

craytab said:
Sorry but that is not what the rules say. This one is so simple to understand. If the deal isn't done (IE not out any money or items) then there is no feedback. Simple as simple can be.

^ Evidently, this specific rule isn't!

To all member's on this forum, whom think the OP's actions are justified (retaliatory negative feedback): PLEASE, do not ever attempt to conduct business with me; because I certainly do not want to do business with you!

Thank you!

Spartan00 · May 1, 2016

KELAMA said:
^ We're talking about: "BLADEFORUM RULES," not what YOUR definition of a "deal" is.

I'm done here...I guess that you just can't fix certain things.

It's Instances like this, that make me realize: DNA & chromosome inheritance, doesn't always put everyone on a level playing field.

^ :thumbup:

To all member's on this forum, whom think the OP's actions are justified (retaliatory negative feedback): PLEASE, do not ever attempt to conduct business with me; because I certainly do not want to do business with you!

Thank you!

I will say the seller should of been sure of his price before he ever posted anything . Like you said he shouldnt get a free pass. IMO he shouldn't be in the same category as the scammers or people that run off with money.

Peter Hartwig · May 1, 2016

SavageSmurf said:
I read the rules too. If the OP's statement is accurate, the deal went through the moment they agreed to exchange the knife for a set price. I even defined the word "deal" for you, because you and a few other members commenting on this thread don't seem to understand it. No worries, ust reread my post a little more carefully, and you'll see it. The deal went through. OP left feedback. He didn't violate BF policy as it's written, and you're incorrect. The fact that the seller returned the money after the deal went through doesn't matter, and there's nothing in BF's policy that would indicate it does. Read more carefully.

No deal went through or he would have a knife. An agreement was made and that fell though. By rules no I traded feedback on this one, but GBU is warranted. That is just the way it is done. There is definitely a positive bias to ITrader. GBU is a better place to look to find the problem child.

As for the seller-poorly handled sale, by popping in and out of it. Either sell it or don't.

SavageSmurf · May 1, 2016

craytab said:
Sorry but that is not what the rules say. This one is so simple to understand. If the deal isn't done (IE not out any money or items) then there is no feedback. Simple as simple can be.

"Not out money or items," is not a criteria listed in the forum policy. You're just making things up now. You're right, it is simple to understand. The only requisite to leave feedback is that a deal "goes through" or "happens." Since a deal is (and you can google the definition if you don't believe me) a mutually beneficial agreement between two parties, when they agreed, the deal went through+happened. Now OP can leave feedback. Those are the rules, and if you're going to offer an opposing arguement, use facts--don't make things up:thumbdn:.

SavageSmurf · May 1, 2016

Spartan00 said:
Websters definition of a deal doesn't matter . Sparks does

I would definitely agree that any definition offered in the Rules section would be more stringent, but no alternate definition was provided.

KELAMA · May 1, 2016

Spartan00 said:
I will say the seller should of been sure of his price before he ever posted anything . Like you said he shouldnt get a free pass. IMO he shouldn't be in the same category as the scammers or people that run off with money.

^ We're 100% on the same page! :thumbup:

For crying out loud, I haven't really even taken sides; just merely stated that the OP was wrong (which it clearly is), for leaving negative feedback. Also, that people should wait, until factual communication between these two parties, is presented...

Wolfnagel. I still have egg all over my own face, from that one.

stonesell · May 1, 2016

Sellers should be certain that they are willing to sell the knife, at their posted price. If they change their mind, they can withdraw, before it is purchased. Nobody really cares how much much money you are losing. The exchange is not for you to share your financial loss with others, and create a lot of drama.

Sullie · May 1, 2016

SECTION 4 - Rules for Feedback -
1.All feedback on sales or trades must be kept to the Feedback Forum and/or iTrader. Do not clutter up a sales thread with it.
2.It is not mandatory to leave feedback, but it is highly recommended. It serves an important purpose sharing your good and bad experiences with the community. If you need help ask us, we can help. There is only so much we can do, we are not able to help with deals that occurred on Facebook, Instagram, eBay or other places.
3.We will not edit feedback for you unless it's an obvious error (ie negative rating). You can report it using the black triangle button on the iTrader page and be patient.
4.Retaliatory negative feedback ratings can earn you an infraction. Getting pissed off because a deal didn't go though is no reason to try and ruin someones rep. You are expected to conduct yourself in a mature and responsible manner, failure to do so will result in warnings or infractions as necessary.
5.If a deal did not happen, there is no iTrader Feedback to leave. Sorry if you were inconvenienced, but life is full of disappointments. As long as you are not out any items or money, move along. Consider improving the terms of your sales threads / read the sellers terms carefully in order to avoid this before buying.
6.Threads started in the Feedback: G, B, & U section should contain facts that support your reason for starting a thread. Remember there is a difference between opinion and fact. Keep your topic civil or hold off posting until you've composed yourself. Complaining about a person that has exercised their rights as a seller or buyer does no good, and it may backfire on you.
7.You need to be able to communicate in a clear, accurate, and organized manner. Insults, vulgarity, racist comments will not be tolerated whatsoever.
8.Dog-piling for the sake of putting your 2 cents in is not going to be tolerated. If you have something useful to contribute, share it with confidence. If you are only going to contribute some silly comment, save it and move along. This has been a growing problem and we are going to be more proactive to lessen it.

Dude, you are spending a lot of time arguing something clearly written in the rules.
The OP is not out any money or items so according to the rules he should not have left itrader feedback.

SavageSmurf · May 1, 2016

KELAMA said:
^ We're 100% on the same page! :thumbup:

For crying out loud, I haven't really even taken sides; just merely stated that the OP was wrong (which it clearly is), for leaving negative feedback. Also, that people should wait, until factual communication between these two parties, is presented...

Wolfnagel. I still have egg all over my own face, from that one.

Not taking sides either, just pointing out that if the OP is telling the truth about what transpired, he was not "wrong" for leaving feedback. In accordance with forum policy, he's authorized to, and as a potential buyer, I would definitely want to know if a seller is going to refund my payment, after our deal went through. Hope it all works out for you OP.

Breezie · May 1, 2016

I have requested that the negative feedback be removed in order to ensure full compliance with forum rules.

KELAMA · May 1, 2016

stonesell said:
Sellers should be certain that they are willing to sell the knife, at their posted price. If they change their mind, they can withdraw, before it is purchased. Nobody really cares how much much money you are losing. The exchange is not for you to share your financial loss with others, and create a lot of drama.

^ I completely agree with this also. :thumbup:

Sullie said:
SECTION 4 - Rules for Feedback -
1.All feedback on sales or trades must be kept to the Feedback Forum and/or iTrader. Do not clutter up a sales thread with it.
2.It is not mandatory to leave feedback, but it is highly recommended. It serves an important purpose sharing your good and bad experiences with the community. If you need help ask us, we can help. There is only so much we can do, we are not able to help with deals that occurred on Facebook, Instagram, eBay or other places.
3.We will not edit feedback for you unless it's an obvious error (ie negative rating). You can report it using the black triangle button on the iTrader page and be patient.
4.Retaliatory negative feedback ratings can earn you an infraction. Getting pissed off because a deal didn't go though is no reason to try and ruin someones rep. You are expected to conduct yourself in a mature and responsible manner, failure to do so will result in warnings or infractions as necessary.
5.If a deal did not happen, there is no iTrader Feedback to leave. Sorry if you were inconvenienced, but life is full of disappointments. As long as you are not out any items or money, move along. Consider improving the terms of your sales threads / read the sellers terms carefully in order to avoid this before buying.
6.Threads started in the Feedback: G, B, & U section should contain facts that support your reason for starting a thread. Remember there is a difference between opinion and fact. Keep your topic civil or hold off posting until you've composed yourself. Complaining about a person that has exercised their rights as a seller or buyer does no good, and it may backfire on you.
7.You need to be able to communicate in a clear, accurate, and organized manner. Insults, vulgarity, racist comments will not be tolerated whatsoever.
8.Dog-piling for the sake of putting your 2 cents in is not going to be tolerated. If you have something useful to contribute, share it with confidence. If you are only going to contribute some silly comment, save it and move along. This has been a growing problem and we are going to be more proactive to lessen it.

Dude, you are spending a lot of time arguing something clearly written in the rules.
The OP is not out any money or items so according to the rules he should not have left itrader feedback.

^ You can highlight Rule #5, use differ ink color, supersize it...whatever...unfortunately for some people here, they still won't get it...

Edit:

SavageSmurf said:
Not taking sides either, just pointing out that if the OP is telling the truth about what transpired, he was not "wrong" for leaving feedback. In accordance with forum policy, he's authorized to, and as a potential buyer, I would definitely want to know if a seller is going to refund my payment, after our deal went through. Hope it all works out for you OP.

Key word: "if."

Have you stopped to consider: that possibly the OP, conveniently left certain details out, or??? The seller too! He hasn't actually taken the time to provide any further time offering up any factual proof either!

None of this however, excuses the negative feedback that was given, by the OP.