Poor treatment from ON/SCENE TACTICAL

If the coating of a blade can't stand up to a plastic sheath, then the coating is at fault, not PLASTIC.

Good Lord. It's supposed to be a knife for God's sake, not a sculpture. If you want a sculpture, get those plastic things that display the blade and shine lights on it.

If the coating of a blade comes off with plastic, then it's not that tough, is it?

Again, people, plastic can't "scratch" a blade. The particulate in the sheath, between the plastic and steel does that. Same with holsters, same with anything, same with leather. If you don't want the blade to be "worn", don't sheath it, don't use it, just sit and stare at it.

As with guns. First time you shoot it, it's used.

I have to stand with a fellow sheath maker on this one. ;)
 
Hey Guys...

Thanks Robert.. I really appreciate the support, Especially from you.. Your Old School as far as I'm concerned!

007


007 Agent ZZero said:
That being said, the wear is more significant than I would expect for a sheath fitting. it has a tendency to flake the top layer, which is very coarse and granulated, and pretty much sand itself. Go satin :)
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The lighter shade line on the picture below

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Is dust from the plastic not an actually Buff, brush that away, and you will have the actual buff mark.
The opposite side of the tip I suspect is where most of the damage is,,because of the dimple I put in the sheath so it doesn't rattle....



The coating is not "pretty much sand",, it **IS** sand...

It's like having the blade covered with 150 grit sandpaper..

ttyle

Eric
O/ST
 
Eric, it seems you are upset, don't be so defensive. It's only common knowledge that fitting a kydex sheaths is hard on coatings. IMHO it is even impossible to have someone form and heat a part of plastic and apply pressure to it to NOT leave any marks.
Maybe simply stating that this is part of kydex sheath making in your FAQ should answer their question.
A custom fitted kydex sheath means the knife is no longer mint.
How can anyone expect that their knife is handled in a workshop by other people ( how carefull they might be) and fitted with a sheath stay mint?
Mint knives stay in their boxes, in a safe, and even then they will decay, albeit very slowly.

It's hopefully not a trend but it seems more and more prevelant that people start expecting the impossible from other people. I don't know why, because they should understand that if they expect the impossible from other people they should also understand that they should display the same behaviour as well.
It is always possible to find faults in any product, and some people will always be frustrated when they buy someting and it seems to lose it's initial value because they manipulate it.
 
First of all, the knife was never said to be a safe queen. I want to carry it. I did send in a pristine blade. I am the one who should put the wear marks on it, NOT the sheath maker. I have other Busse blades that have been in and out of their sheaths hundreds of time, without anywhere near the wear that this blade shows on BOTH sides. Even the poor sheaths that I make don't wear the blades like this.

I don't want this to turn in to a pi$$ing battle. Eric and I are still emailing and I'm sure we will eventually work thing out. It's just going slow right now.

On the plus side the sheath that Eric made for my Battle Mistress fits GREAT. A true beauty.
 
Out of curiosity, what do you think is the preventable mistake that Eric made resulting in excessive wear?
 
I know Eric personnally and although it's been a bit since i've spoken with him i do KNOW
that something like this would not have been intentional (something like that is not in his character and i know he takes great pride in his workmanship and products).Also making alot of my kydex sheathing in house (never have time to get out with everything that has to be done) and from experience and seeing first hand the effects of kydex or any synthetic material on coated and uncoated blades,it leaves marks whether it's the coating being smoothed out or light scratches on a polished blade,it's an inevitable variable with any type of sheathing made.Concealex (sorry,not sure on the correct spelling for this material) and kydex when formed provide a very tight fit around the blade and inevatably does leave marks or smooths all types of coating,the smoothing of the actual powdercoating should have been an expected variable when you sent the knife out,especially with the sand coloured powdercoat as it is a course or gritty finish.
Take this as an unrelated example with different materials,if you walk over to a brand new car and wipe the finish or paint on it with a clean cotton cloth,take a look at the spot wiped in the sun,very light scatches appear as no finish is impermiable to marks,in relation to the kydex and powdercoating considerably less pressure is applied in the case i used for an example but yet it still causes a blemish in the finish (automotive paints and powdercoating are the same in sense and do wear away in a similar manner,the difference between the 2 is in the manner in which they are applied,paints are chemically applied and powdercoating is baked or melted on,but the end characteristics of the materials are very similar)
I hope all ends well with this and what i've brought up does help out with a resolution
 
Hey Guys..

Chuck....

No,, you didn't say it was a Safe Queen, thats the problem.. Those are My words, Not yours.

The simple fact that you expect Back a virgin blade after it's gone through the Rigors of having been sheathed and "custom fit" is completely unrealistic.

Of these other Busse blades, how many do you have or have you sheathed that have sand powdercoating ?

Those sheaths don't wear the sand off ?

Sorry, thats BS.

I don't care who made the sheaths, the sand WILL be worn off the knife. Taking into account the angle that knife has to come out of the sheath.

also lets keep in mind that the Actual powder coat is not chipped, or scuffed to the bare metal. It's the sand particals that are rubbed off and there is a buff mark.

Chuck I don't want this to turn into a pissing match either, but thats where it's headed, because you aren't being rational and you aren't being reasonable.

I'm telling you from my professional experince that sheathing this knife without some wear to the finish is simply impossible to do..

If you can't understand that Chuck, I don't know what else to tell you Bro...

However, you took this into a public forum and I find the need to defend my name, reputation and company name.

ttyle

Eric E. Noeldechen
On/Scene Tactical
 
Mongo...

Upset,Defensive ?

You Betcha :)

One thread is titled

"Poor Treatment from On/Scene Tactical"

the other

"Poor Sheathmaker"

I shouldn't have to apologize for defending my good name and reputation and I won't..

I'm just as upset that Chuck is upset. Not upset at Chuck, just with the situation.
Say that 10 times Fast! :)

ttyle

Eric
O/ST
 
I just cut and pasted this from Eric's websight,i think it's pretty much straight forward in it's wording and IS NOT HIDDEN,when ordering a custom made item one should always read everything on the site to avoid mis interpretations of any kind
***Please Be Aware, that although I warranty my work against manufacturing defects, I cannot warranty against scratching of any kind. ALL, Concealex©, Kydex, Leather , Nylon, Fluff from a ducklings Ass, Will scratch blades at some point . It is nothing that can be strictly controlled.
 
G19G26 I think you're a little off the mark. Kydex is well known for scratching and Eric mentions it on his site. If you didn't know that, you should have done some research first.

You wanted it kept pristine, yet you want to carry it?

You want it resolved yet your went to GBU before Eric had a chance to address it and work something out with you?

I think the real problem is with your inconsistent desires and unreasonable expectations.
 
I don't want this to turn in to a pi$$ing battle. Eric and I are still emailing and I'm sure we will eventually work thing out. It's just going slow right now.
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Then you never should have posted this issue until it was resolved or clear it would not get resolved to your satisfaction.
The way I see it you failed to do your research and had unrealistic expectations of the sheathe maker then instead of trying to resolve it the right way came on the boards and made two post trying to damage his reputation.
And just to be clear I don't know the sheathe maker and never bought one of his products but as far as I am concerned he posted warnings on his site you failed to read them. The sheathe maker is not at fault.
 
DaveH said:
G19G26 I think you're a little off the mark. Kydex is well known for scratching and Eric mentions it on his site. If you didn't know that, you should have done some research first.

You wanted it kept pristine, yet you want to carry it?

You want it resolved yet your went to GBU before Eric had a chance to address it and work something out with you?

I think the real problem is with your inconsistent desires and unreasonable expectations.
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:thumbup: I agree. Eric does a very god job and has an excellent reputation around here. If he had not custom fitted the knife and it rattled in the sheath but the finish was unscuffed I am sure you would whine about the poor fit of the sheath. Some people are never happy.
 
Eric,

Exactly how many sheaths were made with this knife?

Just Chucks, or did you make a few extra while you had it in your hands?
 
I have never had a knife with a Kydex sheath that didn't eventually end up with some kind of wear marks on the blade. I knew that was going to be the case before I purchased my first knife that came with a Kydex sheath. Kydex is a material that I choose only for knives where marks on the blade aren't going to be a concern.
 
This was moved from the Busse Knife Forum to avoid a redundant thread. This is in response to comments made there.

Concerning Progunner, I'm glad you hadn't made that decision before I nabbed this sheath off of the table at Blade some years ago. This one is made with THICK Kydex and holds the knife in like a BEAR. These Kydex sheath makers have to put a great amount of time in a sheath to get the fit that meets their approval. Bend on you Plastic Pirates! Hhmm...what else rhymes with 'plastic?'
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This 'Coot is happy in Progunner Pants.
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Looks good to me!
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I am sticking up for Eric on this one. I just bought a Anso Tanto Shank from Jens...Waited Two weeks while it was in the mail..Got it...I am thrilled..It has a powder coat blade and a kydex sheath...Guess what after 3 times in and out of the sheath there is a blemish on the blade from the Kydex....THAT IS THE NATURE OF KYDEX SHEATHS...They grip the knife and are inert in thier function unlike leather which eventually in my opinion loosens up around the blade. Either way...Kydex marks are the nature of Kydex not the fault of the sheath maker. If you want a sheath to keep your knife pretty you should use leather or a Bills Custom Case in my opinion.

I would do business with Normark any day any time...

Ren
 
Yeah, I think this is barking up the wrong tree. OST is a Bro. here and a good one at that. This should have been resolved privately.

That reminds me...I need to place a couple of orders with Eric.
 
I try not to jump into these things.

But ...

Haven't enough of us already jumped in -- without improving anything?

Can we not let Chuck and Eric work this out between themselves? Without our interference?

They are both adults, they both have excellent reputations. This is nothing more than a 'hiccup.' They WILL resolve it. :)
 
OP,
I totally agree with your sentiment, BUT if Chuck wanted to work this out with Eric by themselves, why did he post this in two different places on the forums?
 
Perhaps the real problem lies in the finish itself. Perhaps the finish itself is inferior because of some kind of manufacturing flaw. It has a history of scuffing and wear, so maybe the knife in question here has a flaw. Busse should be contacted and made aware of what happened.
 
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