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Well I've gotta join in and complain too about Eric sheaths...he never told me or mentionned it on his website that they were addictive...
now I've gotta have all my knives sheated by him 'cause I'm hooked on it... Bad Eric, very bad!!!! cheers!!!
now I've gotta have all my knives sheated by him 'cause I'm hooked on it... Bad Eric, very bad!!!! cheers!!!every time i make a sheath for a knife i make the sheath always seems to scratch the blade no matter how careful i am. it just cant be avoided so i just deal with it. from the looks of the knife it seems that this type of powdercoat is just prone to scratching. if chuck wanted to keep the knife "mint", then he shouldnt have sent it off to get a sheath made. instead he should have sent another knife like it or not even had a sheath made in the first place.
Well I've gotta join in and complain too about Eric sheaths...he never told me or mentionned it on his website that they were addictive... now I've gotta have all my knives sheated by him 'cause I'm hooked on it... Bad Eric, very bad!!!! cheers!!!
now I've gotta have all my knives sheated by him 'cause I'm hooked on it... Bad Eric, very bad!!!! cheers!!!
It seems that those that don't know me want to portray me as the bad guy here. If you knew as many fellow Busse employees and brothers do, you would have known that I didn't jump to postin this all that quickly.
I emailed Eric more than once about this. I stated that I was disappointed in the sheath. Eric replied that he didn't claim any responsibilty for the wear to my blade. I had to ask that he check with Jerry Busse about having the blade refinished. He said that he would. The next thing I heard was that I should put my knives in a plexiglass box. Once again, itis not that the blade won't eventually get its battle scars, but that they were put there by a professional doing sheath work. Eric said he took all precautions. Once again, when I make a sheath, I use blue painters tape to protect the blade. None of my sheaths have scarred the blades when I'm making them. The blades do get scarred from use though.
As to what Eric has posted on his site, I didn't look there as this was NOT a sheath that I purchased from the site, but a trade we worked out.
I have tried to work this out ut of the public view, but was wasn't getting anywhere. I don't want my new blades preworn. I want to be the one to put the first scratch, ding, chip in them. I don't think that is asking too much.
Eric told me that he uses handle retention, not blade retention. This alone should drastically lessen or eliminate the wear on the blade. That is why I sent the blades to him.
Next question?
I emailed Eric more than once about this. I stated that I was disappointed in the sheath. Eric replied that he didn't claim any responsibilty for the wear to my blade. I had to ask that he check with Jerry Busse about having the blade refinished. He said that he would. The next thing I heard was that I should put my knives in a plexiglass box. Once again, itis not that the blade won't eventually get its battle scars, but that they were put there by a professional doing sheath work. Eric said he took all precautions. Once again, when I make a sheath, I use blue painters tape to protect the blade. None of my sheaths have scarred the blades when I'm making them. The blades do get scarred from use though.
As to what Eric has posted on his site, I didn't look there as this was NOT a sheath that I purchased from the site, but a trade we worked out.
I have tried to work this out ut of the public view, but was wasn't getting anywhere. I don't want my new blades preworn. I want to be the one to put the first scratch, ding, chip in them. I don't think that is asking too much.
Eric told me that he uses handle retention, not blade retention. This alone should drastically lessen or eliminate the wear on the blade. That is why I sent the blades to him.
Next question?
Hey Guys...
Chuck....
First off,, lets get one thing straight..
You Aren't the bad guy here, and I don't think Anyone has said anything of the sort... I sure don't see you that way at all...
I just see you a little misinformed is all.
The last email I sent you at 9:38 PM last night. The last words that I said was, "I will talk with Jerry about it"..
Which I will do...
At 10:30 PM I found the thread on GB&U.
As far as responsibility for the buffing on your knife. Yes, it surely happened while I was sheathing the knife..However I cannot claim responsibility for buffing because it is Expected,, Especially Expected on this particular knife.
I've stated as well as several other people including one very reputable sheath maker that it Simply isn't possible to sheath that particular knife without having some type of mark on the knife...
Whether or not you wanted to put the first scratches on the knife or not, you should have Expressed to me that this knife is Expected back Mint. I would have Immediately ended the transaction on the Spot.
Because Again,, like I've said numerous times before,, that it would be Impossible to sheath this knife without marring the finish to some degree.
This is the thing that you simply aren't getting.
>talk with Jerry Busse about having the blade refinished. He said that he >would. The next thing I heard was that I should put my knives in a plexiglass >box.
Actually I made the comment about the Lexan box before I said I would talk with Jerry...
If you knew I was going to talk with Jerry about it why would you put up a post on GB&U ?? less than an hour later.
This was being handled internally before you thrust it into a public forum.
>Once again, itis not that the blade won't eventually get its battle scars, but >that they were put there by a professional doing sheath work.
Yes,, just like Any other professional or sheathmaker who tinkers you would have sent it to...
>Eric said he took all precautions. Once again, when I make a sheath, I use >blue painters tape to protect the blade.
I actually used about 6-8 layers of masking tape to help eliminate any scratching as I do on All of my sheaths... Use any more tape and the outline of the knife becomes even more washed out, and before you know it, you have a Blob of Kuk.
I ask you,, and Anyone that knows what they are talking about when it comes with sheaths, to look at the closeup of the sheath. Anyone who knows anything about sheaths can Clearly see that the blade is Taped Heavy..Notice how the lines are washed out along the edges and aren't as crisp as they should be ? The Talon hole isn't visable at all.
This washing out, and lack of Talon hole is caused by tape on the blade.. Heavy tape...
I could have put 100 layers on both sides of that knife and it would still buff the blade.. Again,, Impossible to avoid.
>None of my sheaths have scarred the blades when I'm making them. The >blades do get scarred from use though.
It's like asking a mechanic to fix your car Without letting him test drive it...The Mechanic would tell you to go somewhere else.
I ask you and have asked you before,,I would like an answer!
How many knives have you sheathed with the Tan Sand PC ?
Have you Experienced any buffing from the Sheath on the surface of the knife ?
Please answer that for me, however I already know the answer to the last question...
I also wanted to ask....
Did you notice any buffing marks on the Fatty FBM that I sheathed for you ?
No !
And do you know why that is ?
Please answer !
>As to what Eric has posted on his site, I didn't look there as this was NOT a >sheath that I purchased from the site, but a trade we worked out.
This is all beside the point. I would have liked that you Expressed the fact of what you were expecting Before I started the job. They would have been sent back Unopened.
As I said before I was making a sheathing system for a User....Not a Safe Queen Collector.
>I have tried to work this out ut of the public view, but was wasn't getting >anywhere. I don't want my new blades preworn. I want to be the one to >put the first scratch, ding, chip in them. I don't think that is asking too >much.
Well Chuck,, no really you haven't because my last email I sent at 9:38, I said I would be talking to Jerry about it. An hour later I get 6 people giving me a HeadZups about the thread. Imagine my surprise!
>Eric told me that he uses handle retention, not blade retention. This alone >should drastically lessen or eliminate the wear on the blade. That is why I >sent the blades to him.
I do use handle retention on the knife, theres what ,less then 2" of handle and 5" of blade. As soon as the handle leaves the sheath, the knife bumps and scraps its way all the way out. There is a Buffer zone of 6-8 layers of tape...
Even if I'd put 1/2" of Air around the knife, the knife is going to make contact somewhere on it's journey out of the sheath..
Would you have been happy with a sheath that the knife rattled around in... ?
I'm in a Lose Lose situation here All the way Around.
Is that Fair ?
You however have a Beautifully looking and Made sheath...
I can tell by just what you are saying that you know nothing about sheathing knives....
A simply anaology is that it's like playing the board game Operation. You touch the sides with the Tweezers and the buzzer goes off. In this case you touch the side of the sheath with the knife and a Buff occurs...
Chuck, I understand that you are upset about this, however look at it from a rational point of view, look at it from my point of view. This deal was destined for Disaster before I even started the job.
If it Can't be done,, it Can't be done, no matter how much you want it to be done,, it simply isn't going to happen.
Now to finish this off, because I'm Completely sick of this,, If you want to have the knife re-finished, please let me know, I'll set it up with Jerry and you can send him the knife for Recoating on my dime..
I will pay the expense of having your knife re-coated, then you can do what you wish with the knife and sheath.
However I caution you that, if the knife goes into that sheath or Any other sheath, you will have the same results...
Thanks
Eric
O/ST
Chuck....
First off,, lets get one thing straight..
You Aren't the bad guy here, and I don't think Anyone has said anything of the sort... I sure don't see you that way at all...
I just see you a little misinformed is all.
The last email I sent you at 9:38 PM last night. The last words that I said was, "I will talk with Jerry about it"..
Which I will do...
At 10:30 PM I found the thread on GB&U.
As far as responsibility for the buffing on your knife. Yes, it surely happened while I was sheathing the knife..However I cannot claim responsibility for buffing because it is Expected,, Especially Expected on this particular knife.
I've stated as well as several other people including one very reputable sheath maker that it Simply isn't possible to sheath that particular knife without having some type of mark on the knife...
Whether or not you wanted to put the first scratches on the knife or not, you should have Expressed to me that this knife is Expected back Mint. I would have Immediately ended the transaction on the Spot.
Because Again,, like I've said numerous times before,, that it would be Impossible to sheath this knife without marring the finish to some degree.
This is the thing that you simply aren't getting.
>talk with Jerry Busse about having the blade refinished. He said that he >would. The next thing I heard was that I should put my knives in a plexiglass >box.
Actually I made the comment about the Lexan box before I said I would talk with Jerry...
If you knew I was going to talk with Jerry about it why would you put up a post on GB&U ?? less than an hour later.
This was being handled internally before you thrust it into a public forum.
>Once again, itis not that the blade won't eventually get its battle scars, but >that they were put there by a professional doing sheath work.
Yes,, just like Any other professional or sheathmaker who tinkers you would have sent it to...
>Eric said he took all precautions. Once again, when I make a sheath, I use >blue painters tape to protect the blade.
I actually used about 6-8 layers of masking tape to help eliminate any scratching as I do on All of my sheaths... Use any more tape and the outline of the knife becomes even more washed out, and before you know it, you have a Blob of Kuk.
I ask you,, and Anyone that knows what they are talking about when it comes with sheaths, to look at the closeup of the sheath. Anyone who knows anything about sheaths can Clearly see that the blade is Taped Heavy..Notice how the lines are washed out along the edges and aren't as crisp as they should be ? The Talon hole isn't visable at all.
This washing out, and lack of Talon hole is caused by tape on the blade.. Heavy tape...
I could have put 100 layers on both sides of that knife and it would still buff the blade.. Again,, Impossible to avoid.
>None of my sheaths have scarred the blades when I'm making them. The >blades do get scarred from use though.
It's like asking a mechanic to fix your car Without letting him test drive it...The Mechanic would tell you to go somewhere else.
I ask you and have asked you before,,I would like an answer!
How many knives have you sheathed with the Tan Sand PC ?
Have you Experienced any buffing from the Sheath on the surface of the knife ?
Please answer that for me, however I already know the answer to the last question...
I also wanted to ask....
Did you notice any buffing marks on the Fatty FBM that I sheathed for you ?
No !
And do you know why that is ?
Please answer !
>As to what Eric has posted on his site, I didn't look there as this was NOT a >sheath that I purchased from the site, but a trade we worked out.
This is all beside the point. I would have liked that you Expressed the fact of what you were expecting Before I started the job. They would have been sent back Unopened.
As I said before I was making a sheathing system for a User....Not a Safe Queen Collector.
>I have tried to work this out ut of the public view, but was wasn't getting >anywhere. I don't want my new blades preworn. I want to be the one to >put the first scratch, ding, chip in them. I don't think that is asking too >much.
Well Chuck,, no really you haven't because my last email I sent at 9:38, I said I would be talking to Jerry about it. An hour later I get 6 people giving me a HeadZups about the thread. Imagine my surprise!
>Eric told me that he uses handle retention, not blade retention. This alone >should drastically lessen or eliminate the wear on the blade. That is why I >sent the blades to him.
I do use handle retention on the knife, theres what ,less then 2" of handle and 5" of blade. As soon as the handle leaves the sheath, the knife bumps and scraps its way all the way out. There is a Buffer zone of 6-8 layers of tape...
Even if I'd put 1/2" of Air around the knife, the knife is going to make contact somewhere on it's journey out of the sheath..
Would you have been happy with a sheath that the knife rattled around in... ?
I'm in a Lose Lose situation here All the way Around.
Is that Fair ?
You however have a Beautifully looking and Made sheath...
I can tell by just what you are saying that you know nothing about sheathing knives....
A simply anaology is that it's like playing the board game Operation. You touch the sides with the Tweezers and the buzzer goes off. In this case you touch the side of the sheath with the knife and a Buff occurs...
Chuck, I understand that you are upset about this, however look at it from a rational point of view, look at it from my point of view. This deal was destined for Disaster before I even started the job.
If it Can't be done,, it Can't be done, no matter how much you want it to be done,, it simply isn't going to happen.
Now to finish this off, because I'm Completely sick of this,, If you want to have the knife re-finished, please let me know, I'll set it up with Jerry and you can send him the knife for Recoating on my dime..
I will pay the expense of having your knife re-coated, then you can do what you wish with the knife and sheath.
However I caution you that, if the knife goes into that sheath or Any other sheath, you will have the same results...
Thanks
Eric
O/ST
What a worthless thread...this should have been done in PM's or emails.
Although I love Busse's, the War Boar is a useless knife to begin with.
The handle to blade angles are way to sharp.
I've tried to imagine this knife coming out of a sheath, not going to happen!
I'll take a Strider Karambit over this thing any day, and did for a year in Iraq.
This is also why I hate kydex, it will eat the finish off of your knife.
So many "Benders" use friction to hold the knife in, friction destroys the finish.
That is another reason I only use Okuden for Kydex, his sheaths don't eat my knifes.
Chuck, if it's a user, use it.
Why waste the money on a refinish if you are going to turn around and use the damn knife?
I'll send you a new knife you can scuff up if it will get you to move on.
Scuff it up and send it back, but please stop whinning.
It's a Busse, tear something up and shove it in that kydex sheath and move on.
It's like everyone says, use it one time and you'll scuff it up any way.
After reading BOTH of these threads I'm going to go cry myself to sleep....not because of the scuffs, but because of the wasted time it took to read this crap...
Although I love Busse's, the War Boar is a useless knife to begin with.
The handle to blade angles are way to sharp.
I've tried to imagine this knife coming out of a sheath, not going to happen!
I'll take a Strider Karambit over this thing any day, and did for a year in Iraq.
This is also why I hate kydex, it will eat the finish off of your knife.
So many "Benders" use friction to hold the knife in, friction destroys the finish.
That is another reason I only use Okuden for Kydex, his sheaths don't eat my knifes.
Chuck, if it's a user, use it.
Why waste the money on a refinish if you are going to turn around and use the damn knife?
I'll send you a new knife you can scuff up if it will get you to move on.
Scuff it up and send it back, but please stop whinning.
It's a Busse, tear something up and shove it in that kydex sheath and move on.
It's like everyone says, use it one time and you'll scuff it up any way.
After reading BOTH of these threads I'm going to go cry myself to sleep....not because of the scuffs, but because of the wasted time it took to read this crap...
Hey Guys..
Chuck...
Email sent to Jerry...
As soon as I hear back from him I will let you know the minute it comes in...
I'm really sorry this happened Chuck...
In No way did I ever think or want it to turn out like this...
Best Wishes and will be in touch..
Eric
O/ST
Chuck...
Email sent to Jerry...
As soon as I hear back from him I will let you know the minute it comes in...
I'm really sorry this happened Chuck...
In No way did I ever think or want it to turn out like this...
Best Wishes and will be in touch..
Eric
O/ST
Chuck..
No problem dude...
Is there another sheath I can offer you to make up for this pain in the ass ?
Check my list , pick one and it's Yours...
Please don't pick one for a knife that has Sand PC,, because you know what wil F-ing happen..
Email me which one you want...
ttyle
Eric
O/ST
No problem dude...
Is there another sheath I can offer you to make up for this pain in the ass ?
Check my list , pick one and it's Yours...
Please don't pick one for a knife that has Sand PC,, because you know what wil F-ing happen..
Email me which one you want...
ttyle
Eric
O/ST
glockman99
RIP Dann, you were a good guy.
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So, why is it that you didn't make the sheath in question for your Busse yourself?...Is it because you had a feeling, or knew, that the sheath would mar the coating on the knife, and didn't want to have to blame yourself for it?
I have owned a few of Eric's "plastic" knife sheaths, and I'd sure trust him to make me another one, with no reservations.
I'm sorry that the finish on your Busse now shows some "life", but at-least you do have a Busse (or two)...(I'm not blessed with being able to afford a Busse myself.).
Hey Guys...
Chuck...
I don't have a problem with that at all..Let me see what I have...
May even have a Tan Ratmandu, or a black if you like..If I do it's yours..
A sheath over you being 110% satisfied if worth it to me...
Dann...
With all due respect,, lets let this dog die...
You know your like the brother I never really Wanted.. LOL
Thanks Dann..
Eric
O/ST
Chuck...
I don't have a problem with that at all..Let me see what I have...
May even have a Tan Ratmandu, or a black if you like..If I do it's yours..
A sheath over you being 110% satisfied if worth it to me...
Dann...
With all due respect,, lets let this dog die...
You know your like the brother I never really Wanted..
LOLThanks Dann..
Eric
O/ST
wolfmann601
Gone, but not forgotton. RIP Ira.
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GB&U is when all else fails............
Talk about jumping the gun.............
Talk about jumping the gun.............