Possible Problem with a Trade

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medusaoblongata said:
Here is the last email I sent him:
and the response he just sent:
Not sure, after reading the bladeforums post, they all talk about using insurance and you didn't either.. Plus, I'm an eBay seller and I'm not responsible for lost or damaged items
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IMO, the above excuse is about as weak as they come. Falling back on ebay's rules outside of ebay is absurd at best. Even on ebay, most honest sellers would make it right or at least find some kind of middle ground compromise. But that's a moot point anyways since this transaction took place through BF, a relatively small close knit community with its own (very simple) rules, and not on the world's largest virtual auction house/garage sale.

Unless he's making it right, it's time to tell who he is.
 
Yep, it's time to make them publicly accountable for this mess, before someone else gets burned.

Any name you know they sell under on this and other forums, and their Ebay seller name.
 
even on E-bay, if the buyer does NOT recieve the item from the seller the buyer does NOT eat it.

Send in your house payment and for some reason it does not get where it should and then tell the finance company; "I sent it so tough shit" and see how long it takes to smack your credit and see how long you can mutter it until the man with the padlocks arrive.

No matter what it is, the sender needs to do what he can to insure arrival, period.
 
Keith Montgomery said:
As far as I'm concerned the other guy is responsible for replacing the lost knife. Sending a knife in an envelope that could tear open is unacceptable, in my opinion.

Did you ask that the package not be insured, or did the other person make that deteermination on his own?

The shipment should have been properly packaged and insured.
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1000% correct
 
I sell and ship hundreds of knives and I will not depend on the buying party to chose to pay for insurance on a knife I spent at least 8 hours to finish. I charge enough to pay for insurance as part of my normal shipping fee and I still have a 4.9 out of a possible 5 for cost of shipping. I agree 100% that the person shipping the item is 100% responsible for the loss as they chose to not insure it.
 
I believe there is an overwhelming majority here in favor of the OP and by not exposing the offending members name here he/she is being protected and can continue this trading behavoir?
 
I just sent him another email stating that I believe he is still in a position to make this right and get this trade settled. We should still be able to get this resolved in an amicable manner. The ball is in his court now.
 
medusaoblongata said:
I just sent him another email stating that I believe he is still in a position to make this right and get this trade settled. We should still be able to get this resolved in an amicable manner. The ball is in his court now.
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but given that this has gone the way it has you really need to out this guy so nobody else has to deal with him or at the very least they will know that he needs to be dealt with carefully.
You have been way more patient than i know i would have been:)
best of luck
ivan
 
One thing that should be mentioned is that the insurance issue may well have not been of much importance in this particular case. The USPS may well have made the determination that the knife was improperly packaged and refused compensation. Though the shipment should have been insured, the major point of contention is that the knives were improperly packaged, and that is the fault of the person that did the packaging.

Seller, whoever you are, it's up to you to make this make this deal right. Come to an agreement with medusaoblongata on how to take care of this. Do it, because it is the right thing to do.
 
the knife was improperly packaged
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That's the issue- because of the improper packaging the knife never arrived. The Seller is responsible for the Improperly Packed Knife and as such is resposible for the knife Not Arriving.

Insurance is a mute point since the knife was improperly packed.


Mitch
 
I feel like I've done everything I can to try to get this resolved, and he seems to have stopped responding to my emails entirely. While I was hoping to get this settled privately, it's looking now like that is just not going to happen. I had started this thread here on BFC because I know how ethical and established the Exchange forum is here, and I felt this would be the best place for me to get some perspective and advice, which I thank you all for giving. The person with whom this trade was conducted is not a BFC member. His info is as follows:

Nikko Ferrara
located in Methuen MA
nikkogi (at)aol (dot) com
(non-BFC) forum handle: Leatherman123
EDCF profile: http://edcforums.com/index.php?action=profile;u=8422
MT.O profile: http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=profile;u=685
 
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medusaoblongata said:
The person with whom this trade was conducted is not a BFC member. His info is as follows:

Nikko Ferrara
located in Methuen MA
nikkogi (at)aol (dot) com
(non-BFC) forum handle: Leatherman123
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OK, I'm a bit confused now. In reading your OP, I thought the trade was arranged here (BFC). If not, I'd suggest taking this issue to the forum it started in.

If it was done here, what's his BFC name?

And my opinion is he is responsible for replacing the knife due to his shabby packaging skills (could this be because of his hEllbay status?).
 
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medusaoblongata said:
I agreed to do a trade with another forumite,
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This line made everyone assume you meant a BFC member--not a member of another forum.

Still his responsibility to make it right. People should watch out for dealings with Mr. Ferrara in the future. I know I will.

Edit: So he IS a BFC member? :confused:

medusaoblongata said:
The person with whom this trade was conducted is not a BFC member.
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So Leatherman123, if you're reading this one, you need to make good.

It stinks that the blade was lost, but using the other guy's shortcomings (no insurance) or your status as an eBay seller as excuses for your own failure just doesn't cut it.

As has been said so many times, the deal is not done until both parties are happy. And the responsibility for getting a package to its destination safely rests largely on the sender. Use a box. Pad that box. Tape that box up well.

I've probably spent $100 or more in the last few years just because of all the extra tape weight I've put on boxes. But it helps me sleep easier at night. It also presents the receiver with a fun opening challenge. By the time he reaches his knife, he feels like he's earned it. :p
 
Guyon said:
So Leatherman123, if you're reading this one, you need to make good.

It stinks that the blade was lost, but using the other guy's shortcomings (no insurance) or your status as an eBay seller as excuses for your own failure just doesn't cut it.

As has been said so many times, the deal is not done until both parties are happy. And the responsibility for getting a package to its destination safely rests largely on the sender. Use a box. Pad that box. Tape that box up well.

I've probably spent $100 or more in the last few years just because of all the extra tape weight I've put on boxes. But it helps me sleep easier at night. It also presents the receiver with a fun opening challenge. By the time he reaches his knife, he feels like he's earned it. :p
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I do the same thing with all my boxes and for the same reasons too. Not to mention zip lock bagging and super sealing the items to ensure a positive moisture barrier.. :D I know I am a little sick but I do it cause its the right thing to do.
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So come on leatherman123, its still not to late to do the right thing and save your REPUTATION.

Send the knife replacement or the money TODAY. And then chime in here tomorrow letting all of us know you made good on your TRADE promise!?!.
 
Here's a link to the thread on MT.O in which he did respond: http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,11504.0.html Seems like many of the folks there have a slightly different idea of how things should go than they do here, though that could be because they know him well there and I haven't posted there much at all. He's still refusing to do anything about it. Another member of that forum offered to send me a replacement for the lost tool, which would be great for me, since Leatherman123 has refused to do so.

Lessons learned:
Always insure unless you're prepared to pay for the loss out of pocket.
Package well, better than you think you may need to.
Clear communication, don't assume that the general rules of forum trades are agreed upon in advance by all.
 
I posted over there but this really stuck out to me...


First of all, we both agreed on shipping via Priority with DC. WE SAID NOTHING ABOUT INSURANCE. I don't understand why it's my problem that the items didn't reach you. That's how I feel about this situation. But, thanks to John's generosity, this problem has been resolved..
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I would never be happy that a situation that was my responsibility got resolved by someone else. This (IMHO) shows a complete lack of character by leatherman123. It never ceases to amaze me how quickly someone can shirk their responsibility. This is a sad situation but I am glad that someone was man enough to make it right for you.
 
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