Premium Price for G-10?

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Detroit1980 said:
The newer Ganzo Firebird series are not clones though.
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Not that we have seen yet. They would have gotten a little more latitude if they had stopped producing the copycat models and went strictly with the new designs. Like, it's a step in the right direction but they could have come out and acknowledged their cloning ways and I hat they are moving past.
 
Detroit1980 said:
The bottom line is that almost all innovation comes from taking someone else's idea and trying to make it better which is a nicer way of saying copying.

With that said, I don't agree at all with anybody cloning or counterfeiting. I just think some companies get more of a pass than others. You could also make an arguement that any framelock knife is stealing from Chris Reeve's design.
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No, it is not a nicer way of saying copying. Spyderco innovated with the CBB lock. Ganzo straight up copied the Axis with no innovation of their own. They just copied and pasted. Innovation and copying are antonyms.

The Frame Lock and Walker Liner lock are both open source and allowed to be used by others. Ganzo used the copy and pasted Axis in their knives for a good long while when it was still under patent.
Apples and wheat comparison.
 
Zulus said:
Way too many chinese converts ...
Very sad but very true
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The thing is you can't stereotype Chinese knives because We/Civivi and Kizer have truly unique designs and work with more American designers than Spyderco even does. The quality and materials are also top notch for the price.
 
benchwarmer380 said:
No, it is not a nicer way of saying copying. Spyderco innovated with the CBB lock. Ganzo straight up copied the Axis with no innovation of their own. They just copied and pasted. Innovation and copying are antonyms.

The Frame Lock and Walker Liner lock are both open source and allowed to be used by others. Ganzo used the copy and pasted Axis in their knives for a good long while when it was still under patent.
Apples and wheat comparison.
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Well now the Axis lock is open source. Also if you research a lot of patents and inventions you will find that the companies that have the patents and were credited with the inventions actually stole them from someone else. Some people really need to wake up!
 
Detroit1980 said:
Well now the Axis lock is open source. Also if you research a lot of patents and inventions you will find that the companies that have the patents and were credited with the inventions actually stole them from someone else. Some people really need to wake up!
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Have you researched a lot of patents and inventions?
 
Detroit1980 said:
Well now the Axis lock is open source. Also if you research a lot of patents and inventions you will find that the companies that have the patents and were credited with the inventions actually stole them from someone else. Some people really need to wake up!
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Since others have done something questionable or wrong and got away with it means that it is okay for everyone to do. Is this your point?
 
Detroit1980 said:
The thing is you can't stereotype Chinese knives
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Actually I can and I do.
Max price for chinese knife is $10
Or soon we will be driving chinese bikes and chinese buses.
Exclusively !

BTW - I got chinese knives :^(
Even one I spent $17 !!!! My bad, very sorry.
 
Detroit1980 said:
G-10 should have little to do with pricing but both Benchmade and Spyderco clearly want a premium price for it. That was my initial point and I just think it's ridiculous.
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Your initial point is flawed because you are comparing Chinese made knives to ones made in other countries. We shouldn't have to explain to you why that comparison does not work.
 
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Not going to read through the myriads of replies, but the short answer: Because they can and we will.
 
Detroit1980 said:
The tenacious is absolutely not what I'm asking for. I prefer 3" blades or just under and 8cr steel is pretty bad for a $50 price range. Good try though and that is only 1 single knife out of their many models they have to offer. It's really no big deal. I just won't buy a Benchmade or Spyderco. Simple as that and I don't know why I'm even still going on lol. I'd still way rather buy a Ganzo Firebird despite the "valuable lessons I've learned."
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The Tenacious line as several sizes. Maybe you consider Chinese D2 a large upgrade over properly heat treated 8cr or AUS8 but I don't. Spyderco makes knives in China with G-10 that compete very favorably with Civivi.

Seems like you are just here to tell us all how things are rather than having a discussion and maybe learning something. If your response to all this is to buy stuff from thieves, then please don't let the door hit you on the way out.
 
Detroit1980 said:
Well now the Axis lock is open source. Also if you research a lot of patents and inventions you will find that the companies that have the patents and were credited with the inventions actually stole them from someone else. Some people really need to wake up!
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Ganzo used the Axis lock long before the IP expired. That discussion has been beaten to death here many times. Also, can you actually name a few inventions that were recently stolen from someone and patented under the US system?

Edit: Honestly, maybe we should have a sticky or something on Ganzo and the Axis lock patent.
 
Detroit1980 said:
Does anyone know why companies like Benchmade and Spyderco charge so much extra for G-10? Obviously G-10 is probably the most preferred handle material overall but when you see so many companies making knives with G-10 with decent steel for well under $50 and some even closer to $25, it just doesn't sit well with me. I'm so sick of seeing cheap plastic handles for $100+.
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"G-10", if the handle material really is G-10, is epoxy glass laminate.
If made correctly, it's reasonably expensive material.

But you could call a lot of materials, "G-10". Some are more expensive to process than others, depending on the specific epoxy resin being used. And proper processing is essential for good properties. It's possible to get a poor material, and technically speaking, you could still call it "G-10".

Also a purely flat sheet of G-10 is not that expensive, a 3-dimensional shape is pricey, because it must be machined.

G-10 type materials as initially made are glossy and not grippy. Modifying the surface to provide a grippy surface increases cost.

And if you taking care of your workers, air filters are required during cutting and machining operations because the glass fibers are bad for the lungs. Filtering systems are expensive and add to the manufacturing cost.

So saying that the handles on a knife are "G-10" still leaves a vast amount of room for differences in cost and performance.
 
Maybe we can get off the IP stuff for once and just focus on the initial question.
 
first pocket clip - spyderco
first serrated edge - spyderco
just took my $300 spyderco with a G10 handle and cut a ganzo firebird into 30 pieces and didn't even dull the blade...sigh...ganzo firebird...oh the humanity....why
 
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