Primate attacks.

I asked immediatelly if they had any practical experience from service with that and the policeman said that the pepper sprays worked perfectly on anything breathing, including drugged felons who are normaly hard to pacify.

What you were told was mostly true, but not absolutely true. My brother is a federal law enforcement officer. Two years ago he and two fellow officers emptied their pepper spray on a man who later tested positive for both drugs and alcohol. They completely emptied their mace/capsaicin combo with direct hits to the face. The guy shrugged it off like nothing. They all three reported it had NO apparent effect. It took a TASER to put him down, and even then it was only after multiple rides on the electron train--the guy just kept getting up.

My father-in-law who works for a sheriff's department reported the same thing. He has personally witnessed people unfazed by pepper spray. This "all" or "every" people like to cite is wishful thinking. "Most" is more accurate. Throw in weather like wind, rain, or cold enough that not much skin is exposed, and the odds of pepper spray working diminish.

I've also heard reports of bear spray not always working on bears or on dogs. Don't know why that would be, but it makes sense given that spray is not 100% effective on humans either.

My opinion: spray is for deterrance, firearms are for life-and-death, or grevous-bodily injury situations. Each as a last resort after every effort has been made to evade. But I'm sure glad I have it as an option and can legally defend myself and my family.

Not sure what to make of the "illegal" comment above. I'm licensed to carry in nearly all states. It's not an issue and I'm not sure why someone would intimate that it might be. I avoid the other states.
 
I was at my neighbors house today, who happens to be a Stamford P.O.(Stamford is where the attack took place) He was not on duty, but gave me all the details of what happend. With out getting into too many details, a 200lb chimp is a tuff SOB! The P.O. that shot the animal put 4 shots with a .45 cal at close range into it's chest. The Chimp did not go down, but ran into its pen to die. Keep in mind that this is after the chimp was stabbed by its owner.

The woman who was attacked is missing her face and hands.

Four rounds of .45 acp center of mass,and it was still mobile. :eek: . You have to wonder exactly what it would take. My vote is for several good hits from 12 ga buckshot. Either that or a head shot.
 
Four rounds of .45 acp center of mass,and it was still mobile. :eek: . You have to wonder exactly what it would take. My vote is for several good hits from 12 ga buckshot. Either that or a head shot.
Mozambique wins.
 
Four rounds of .45 acp center of mass,and it was still mobile. :eek: . You have to wonder exactly what it would take. My vote is for several good hits from 12 ga buckshot. Either that or a head shot.

The bad news is that you will most likely have no shotgun at hand, unlike the pistol. But I think that the 4 shots were enough to stop the chimp and make him run away, and the good news are that you will most likely have more than 4 rounds in your gun. :)



RobbW:
TY for the info, this is very interesting indeed. Did they use fog or foam variant?
 
The bad news is that you will most likely have no shotgun at hand, unlike the pistol. But I think that the 4 shots were enough to stop the chimp and make him run away, and the good news are that you will most likely have more than 4 rounds in your gun. :)



RobbW:
TY for the info, this is very interesting indeed. Did they use fog or foam variant?

I carry a Ruger Sp101 with .38+P ,I feel iffy about the odds. I wish I could afford a Glock 30.
 
I carry a Ruger Sp101 with .38+P ,I feel iffy about the odds. I wish I could afford a Glock 30.

SP101 is nice, do you have the .38 only version or .357/.38? Hunters I know said that a .357 (from 6" though) is quite capable to finish even large animals like wild boars. They use it as a backup when looking for badly shot game. I was shooting SP101 only once when a friend let me have a go but the gun was really pleasant even with strong loads. But the missing 3" might make a lot of difference in penetration which is vital.
Funny thing, one guy was selling his G21 recently so he could buy a SP101.:)
 
Mine is in .357 DAO only,I switched down to .38 ,as I was more accurate with them. When I get out where large animals (wild hog and alligator) are possibly around I switch to some heavy .357 hand loads( 190 gr cl, 14.5 grs H110 in a .357 case). Have Glock 21SF for house gun. Really,makes you think what would've happened had the chimp not had a loss of morale.
 
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I have always hated monkeys, I don't know why. Their habits disgust me, especially the flinging... When we go to the zoo, I won't go to the primate part, too many other great animals to watch anyway!

As another poster noted, a man in Florida was attacked a few years ago by chimps. The first thing they did was bite off his thumbs, then rip off his genitals, then gouged out his eyes. Very purposeful and methodical. I don't remember if he survived. Did I mention I hate primates?

These things are all muscle and incredibly strong. The guiness book used to mention that an average 120 lb chimp can easily life something like 300 lbs above it's head, and they recorded an enraged one lifting over 700. Don't ask me how they got that information. God only knows what a Gorilla could do.

I'm not much for banning and regulations, but I have to wonder if people should be allowed to own animals such as these. 12 gauges, .45's, .357's all sound good to me, and hope they bleed out quick!
 
Four rounds of .45 acp center of mass,and it was still mobile. :eek: . You have to wonder exactly what it would take. My vote is for several good hits from 12 ga buckshot. Either that or a head shot.

Wonder why he stopped shooting after only 4 rounds? :confused:
 
As another poster noted, a man in Florida was attacked a few years ago by chimps. The first thing they did was bite off his thumbs, then rip off his genitals, then gouged out his eyes. Very purposeful and methodical. I don't remember if he survived. Did I mention I hate primates?

These things are all muscle and incredibly strong. The guiness book used to mention that an average 120 lb chimp can easily life something like 300 lbs above it's head, and they recorded an enraged one lifting over 700. Don't ask me how they got that information. God only knows what a Gorilla could do.

For a post-attack picture of the man: http://216.26.177.84/forums/showpost.php?p=6530431&postcount=76

I myself saw a relatively out-of-condition 600 lb. gorilla in a small cage in a zoo chin himself, clear of the floor, with one arm.

Here's what chimps look like under the hair. (No, I'm not the one dumb enough to shave them.)
http://www.weirdcoolphotos.com/2008/07/shaved-chimp.html
 
Police are trained to shoot until a threat ceases,in this case he should've emptied the gun into it's back.

Hard to tell until it's known what really happened, it's not easy to hit something moving fast when you are under stress and there are bystanders. I can imagine keep shooting as long as the chimp chews at his victim but then when he's obviously fleeing my attention would most likely turn to the wounded victim. Not the best choice from the tactical point of view, but I think it's quite natural.

TWBryan In that case I believe you got yourself about the best cc handgun you could. :) Taurus makes 7 rnd .357 snubnose, but SP101 has longer barrel and is heavier which is maybe not that good for carrying but better for shooting, and the quality of Ruger is way better. The .357 is a proven stoper, I think better than .45ACP. And the snubby size is good for pocket carry which means it's very easily available. Really a great choice.
I'm currently experimenting with a snubbie pocket carry, I use a plinking rimfire snubnose I recently purchased and it beats anything else, simply because you don't have to reach under your jacket. And you can travel trough a "red alert" zone with your hands in your pockets without drawing attention, which means you are ready to pull the gun almost instantly. I reserve my right jacket pocket for the gun only, and everything is perfect. I'm seriously considering a .357 snubbie. :) Not that .22LR is too weak for a close up face shot (or a leg shot and subsequent run) but .357 is better.
 
Esav-Couldn't see the pic of the injured guy(not sure I want to). The bald chimps were gross,like goblins or something.

alberich-Only thing with the snubby is there is only 5 rounds ,then up to my manual dexterity under stress with a speedloader. Sp101 is very good,if you take the time to smooth the revolver after you get it. Dao revolvers require practice to get the most out of them. I like the .357 because of the versatility of the caliber,especially if you reload.
 
I just read through this whole thread and was about to shut it down. There has been some good discussion but this thread skated on thin ice when it started to stray into the political arena. It really started to get old when Esav had to ask you guys to politely keep it focused twice. The next to the final straw was the retort to Esav's comment but luckily he was a gentleman and let it go.

I'll repeat what others have said here, shoot until the threat is no longer a threat. You have an obligation to end a fight if you entered it, willingly or unwillingly. I feel for those involved but at the same time understand why the chimp snapped. You can't argue or change thousands of years of instinct and think it subsides because you've "trained" it to wear a diaper. Personally, I would have found a place to hide, call the police if I wasn't armed and would have tried to make distance my best friend. When adrenaline kicks in, all plans get thrown out and training should kick in. Then again, how do you train for this freak act?
 
Police are trained to shoot until a threat ceases,in this case he should've emptied the gun into it's back.

Amen Brother - the chimp took off after the four shots and it's whereabouts were unknown thereafter

Seems to me the job is to neutralize the threat - period

The EMT's were afraid the chimp would come back and the police formed a perimeter - until they later found out he went home and died

People should not be allowed to have wild animals as pets - period

I see 100lb women walking 150 lb Rots and wonder how long it will be? Not picking on Rots or women, but all animals know their limits and place in the heiarchy of domain. If an owner is not strong enough to control the animal they have - I choose to steer clear of both

And then there are also rumors of giving Zanex to the chimp - hmmmmmmmm.
 
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I got curious about that bald chimp and found out she was named Cinder. She died unexpectedly at the St. Louis Zoo on the 15th this month.
 
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