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[Jack Black]

Picked up this Saynor, appears to be made recently like last 30 or 40 years but I can't find any info on recently made knives using the Saynor name, also marked Sheffield England.


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Very nice Any chance of a photo of the tang stamp?

 

[Augie]

Very nice Any chance of a photo of the tang stamp?

Thanks Jack, best I can do right now is a blow up of the original picture, will try getting a better shot later today. Knife is interesting as it is constructed as the old ones were with hammered pins and such but does not look old.

 

[Jack Black]

Thanks Jack, best I can do right now is a blow up of the original picture, will try getting a better shot later today. Knife is interesting as it is constructed as the old ones were with hammered pins and such but does not look old.


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Thanks for that, I'm just out and about at the moment, but I'll have a look when I get back home. It's worth noting that knives are still constructed with hammered pins in Sheffield even today. There were several 'Saynor' firms, and with a name that prestigious, I'm sure the name(s) and marks would have been acquired by another firm after W. Saynor closed. It looks a decent knife, and certainly not recent

 

[screened porch]

I received this marvel from my friend @herder a few weeks ago From the time when Sheffield cutlers were innovative. A wonderful piece

Wow.

Found this IXL on the big auction site...... she's a hand full!!
Don't see to many 2 blade pruners......
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Dave

A grafting blade, maybe? I'm pretty sure I've never seen a hawksbill with a secondary.

 

[Jack Black]

The story of the Saynors is both an interesting, and protracted one, and I would refer those who want to examine it in full to our old friend Prof. Geoffrey Tweedale, to whom all traditional cutlery lovers owe a debt of gratitude.

Setting aside Thomas Saynor, who died in 1856, and whose 'RAINBOW' mark was later used by Saynor, Cooke, & Ridal, there is this firm, and W. Saynor (Sheffield) Ltd to consider. Both firms specialised in horticultural knives, and are often confused. The former company, whose marks were 'BRET', 'OBTAIN', 'RAINBOW' a picture of a penny-farthing, and 'SAYNOR', ran from 1738 to 1938 (though this includes various prior partnerships). However, the name appeared again, after WW2, at the same address as Needham, Veall & Tyzack (Taylor's Eye Witness), the company having acquired it in 1948.

W.Saynor apparently dated to 1841, becoming a limited company by 1910, and being liquidated in 1952. However, five years later, the firm's assets, along with the marks 'DEPEND', 'PIONEER', 'SAYNOR', and 'DREADNOUGHT' were acquired, again, by Needham, Veall, and Tyzack. Clearly they thought the Saynor name was of value.

Needham, Veall, and Tyzack took over many other Sheffield cutlery companies and/or acquired their assets, including Southern & Richardson, Wheatley Brothers, Parkin & Marshall, Hawcroft, and Abram Brooksbank, before eventually being absorbed in turn by Harrison Fisher, with that company being renamed Taylor's Eye Witness, (which Needham, Veall, & Tyzack had begun using ten years previously). All, or at least most, of these names were used on knives produced by the latter two companies, and advertised as if they were independent companies (a common practice in Sheffield for many years). The mark on Augie 's knife does not match earlier Saynor marks, and is a very simple, similar in style to what many Sheffield firms used after WW2. I think your knife was almost certainly made by TEW Augie

 

[Augie]

The story of the Saynors is both an interesting, and protracted one, and I would refer those who want to examine it in full to our old friend Prof. Geoffrey Tweedale, to whom all traditional cutlery lovers owe a debt of gratitude.

Setting aside Thomas Saynor, who died in 1856, and whose 'RAINBOW' mark was later used by Saynor, Cooke, & Ridal, there is this firm, and W. Saynor (Sheffield) Ltd to consider. Both firms specialised in horticultural knives, and are often confused. The former company, whose marks were 'BRET', 'OBTAIN', 'RAINBOW' a picture of a penny-farthing, and 'SAYNOR', ran from 1738 to 1938 (though this includes various prior partnerships). However, the name appeared again, after WW2, at the same address as Needham, Veall & Tyzack (Taylor's Eye Witness), the company having acquired it in 1948.

W.Saynor apparently dated to 1841, becoming a limited company by 1910, and being liquidated in 1952. However, five years later, the firm's assets, along with the marks 'DEPEND', 'PIONEER', 'SAYNOR', and 'DREADNOUGHT' were acquired, again, by Needham, Veall, and Tyzack. Clearly they thought the Saynor name was of value.

Needham, Veall, and Tyzack took over many other Sheffield cutlery companies and/or acquired their assets, including Southern & Richardson, Wheatley Brothers, Parkin & Marshall, Hawcroft, and Abram Brooksbank, before eventually being absorbed in turn by Harrison Fisher, with that company being renamed Taylor's Eye Witness, (which Needham, Veall, & Tyzack had begun using ten years previously). All, or at least most, of these names were used on knives produced by the latter two companies, and advertised as if they were independent companies (a common practice in Sheffield for many years). The mark on Augie 's knife does not match earlier Saynor marks, and is a very simple, similar in style to what many Sheffield firms used after WW2. I think your knife was almost certainly made by TEW Augie

Jack, thank you so much for taking the time to respond with such detail on the knife, history like this is much appreciated by many of us on the forum.

 

[Jack Black]

Jack, thank you so much for taking the time to respond with such detail on the knife, history like this is much appreciated by many of us on the forum.

You're welcome my friend

 

[waynorth]

Here is a Pruner posted by an accumulator!!


And here's one posted by Jack B!!Do you think they are related??

 

[Jack Black]

Here is a Pruner posted by an accumulator!!
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And here's one posted by Jack B!!View attachment 1317108Do you think they are related??

Just to make it clear, that isn't my knife, just the results of a few minutes Google research More info posted here

 

[waynorth]

I have to learn how to do an "image" search!!
Nice find, Jack!!

 

[Jack Black]

I have to learn how to do an "image" search!!
Nice find, Jack!!

Just do a Google search Charlie, then click on the images option at the top of the page

 

[Campbellclanman]

one post and asking a question like that? Really?

 

[mr chace c price]

Picked up this Saynor, appears to be made recently like last 30 or 40 years but I can't find any info on recently made knives using the Saynor name, also marked Sheffield England.


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Would u be interested in parting with it sorry if I can't ask I'm a newbie and I collect saynors

 

[Peregrin]

Would u be interested in parting with it sorry if I can't ask I'm a newbie and I collect saynors

This is taken from the forum guidelines,

We don't want to see the forum become an extension of the "Exchange". In line with this, please do not make public offers or inquire as to the availability of another member's knife which has been posted within our threads.

You'll find the Guidelines here, Guidelines For The "Traditional Folders & Fixed Blades" Sub-Forum. Please take the time to read them. Thanks.

 

[mr chace c price]

This is taken from the forum guidelines,

You'll find the Guidelines here, Guidelines For The "Traditional Folders & Fixed Blades" Sub-Forum. Please take the time to read them. Thanks.

OK sorry won't happen again

 

[Mike Robuck]

Nice write up on Saynor, Jack Black! I posted this in the NYK Co. thread but figured I might as well add it here. Early pick bone jigging.

 

[waynorth]

"QUOTE="Jack Black, post: The story of the Saynors is both an interesting, and protracted one, and I would refer those who want to examine it in full to our old friend Prof. Geoffrey Tweedale, to whom all traditional cutlery lovers owe a debt of gratitude.

Setting aside Thomas Saynor, who died in 1856, and whose 'RAINBOW' mark was later used by Saynor, Cooke, & Ridal, there is this firm, and W. Saynor (Sheffield) Ltd to consider. Both firms specialised in horticultural knives, and are often confused. The former company, whose marks were 'BRET', 'OBTAIN', 'RAINBOW' a picture of a penny-farthing, and 'SAYNOR', ran from 1738 to 1938 (though this includes various prior partnerships). However, the name appeared again, after WW2, at the same address as Needham, Veall & Tyzack (Taylor's Eye Witness), the company having acquired it in 1948.

W.Saynor apparently dated to 1841, becoming a limited company by 1910, and being liquidated in 1952. However, five years later, the firm's assets, along with the marks 'DEPEND', 'PIONEER', 'SAYNOR', and 'DREADNOUGHT' were acquired, again, by Needham, Veall, and Tyzack. Clearly they thought the Saynor name was of value.

Needham, Veall, and Tyzack took over many other Sheffield cutlery companies and/or acquired their assets, including Southern & Richardson, Wheatley Brothers, Parkin & Marshall, Hawcroft, and Abram Brooksbank, before eventually being absorbed in turn by Harrison Fisher, with that company being renamed Taylor's Eye Witness, (which Needham, Veall, & Tyzack had begun using ten years previously). All, or at least most, of these names were used on knives produced by the latter two companies, and advertised as if they were independent companies (a common practice in Sheffield for many years).
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Thanks for that very informative blurb, Jack!!

"QUOTE="Mike Robuck, post: Nice write up on Saynor, Jack Black! I posted this in the NYK Co. thread but figured I might as well add it here. Early pick bone jigging.

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Beyond Beautiful, Mike!!

 

[Mike Robuck]

Thanks Charlie!

 

[Jack Black]

Nice write up on Saynor, Jack Black! I posted this in the NYK Co. thread but figured I might as well add it here. Early pick bone jigging.

"QUOTE="Jack Black, post: The story of the Saynors is both an interesting, and protracted one, and I would refer those who want to examine it in full to our old friend Prof. Geoffrey Tweedale, to whom all traditional cutlery lovers owe a debt of gratitude.

Setting aside Thomas Saynor, who died in 1856, and whose 'RAINBOW' mark was later used by Saynor, Cooke, & Ridal, there is this firm, and W. Saynor (Sheffield) Ltd to consider. Both firms specialised in horticultural knives, and are often confused. The former company, whose marks were 'BRET', 'OBTAIN', 'RAINBOW' a picture of a penny-farthing, and 'SAYNOR', ran from 1738 to 1938 (though this includes various prior partnerships). However, the name appeared again, after WW2, at the same address as Needham, Veall & Tyzack (Taylor's Eye Witness), the company having acquired it in 1948.

W.Saynor apparently dated to 1841, becoming a limited company by 1910, and being liquidated in 1952. However, five years later, the firm's assets, along with the marks 'DEPEND', 'PIONEER', 'SAYNOR', and 'DREADNOUGHT' were acquired, again, by Needham, Veall, and Tyzack. Clearly they thought the Saynor name was of value.

Needham, Veall, and Tyzack took over many other Sheffield cutlery companies and/or acquired their assets, including Southern & Richardson, Wheatley Brothers, Parkin & Marshall, Hawcroft, and Abram Brooksbank, before eventually being absorbed in turn by Harrison Fisher, with that company being renamed Taylor's Eye Witness, (which Needham, Veall, & Tyzack had begun using ten years previously). All, or at least most, of these names were used on knives produced by the latter two companies, and advertised as if they were independent companies (a common practice in Sheffield for many years).
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Thanks for that very informative blurb, Jack!!

"QUOTE="Mike Robuck, post: Nice write up on Saynor, Jack Black! I posted this in the NYK Co. thread but figured I might as well add it here. Early pick bone jigging.

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Beyond Beautiful, Mike!!

Thanks a lot guys Stunning knife Mike

 

[Augie]

Nice write up on Saynor, Jack Black! I posted this in the NYK Co. thread but figured I might as well add it here. Early pick bone jigging.

Wow Mike! That is one stunning Hawk Bill.