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Public Apology..
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Keith, my knife was "in" well before the others and as such, should have been given priority..ESPECIALLY, since i sent him a knife he turned around and sold..now i see you waffling..that is what is unbelievable about this place..when FACTS (acutal story of the handles) are stated and a person (you, in your previous posts about such) is pointed out to be wrong, the subject is quickly changed to something else to deflect it..which is REALLY SAD....HE WAS FLAT WRONG in his recollection of events and his coming here to post it.. HE IS DOING THE WHINING..but, do i see you mentioning that? OF COURSE NOT!
THIS IS somewhat TRUE..but, he was HELPING HIMSELF OUT AS WELL..by really turning one order into two
hmmmm...well keith, how would you feel ole buddy? if you came public to try and make ammends and someone just butted right in pretty much stated that everything you were saying was a lie and totally off subject? i guess it wouldn't bother you..NOT!
getting back? no, what i said has been true..and i never made issue of it..but, when he comes over here bad mouthing me and twisting the facts a little, i had no alternative but to TRY and set the record straight and many STILL don't get it..instead of taking his side, members should have seen how UNPROFESSIONAL it was for a custom maker to jump in an apology thread and CRY about a paying customer selling a knife that he made...undeserved criticism? that does not NEED to be answered..YOU KNOW THE ANSWER!
wulf, if selling a knife is wrong...THEN I WAS WRONG..feel any better?
but, lying? every time i have challenged a statement made by someone
(maker or member) of what happened and offered my recollection of how it happened, the subject was changed..what does that tell you?
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Not waffling Jerry, just trying to offer a bit of an olive branch. Take it for what you will. I still think you are bitching about nothing, but realize that there is a reason that you did what you did.
You are correct that I would be angry if someone did that to me. Would I have reacted in the way you did? Not likely, but you never know.
*Edited to add the following.*
What you say about Larry getting to deal with two people rather than one so he ended up ahead is wrong. The second person would have most likely ordered another 4" knife from Larry so where does he end up ahead in this? The only people that ended up ahead were the second customer, because he got a knife quicker than would have otherwise been possible, and you, because you ended up being able to get your made to order, special knife. The only way that Larry might have ended up ahead in this is if the second customer told him that if he couldn't get a knife right away he wasn't interested. That is incredibly unlikely.
You are correct that I would be angry if someone did that to me. Would I have reacted in the way you did? Not likely, but you never know.
*Edited to add the following.*
What you say about Larry getting to deal with two people rather than one so he ended up ahead is wrong. The second person would have most likely ordered another 4" knife from Larry so where does he end up ahead in this? The only people that ended up ahead were the second customer, because he got a knife quicker than would have otherwise been possible, and you, because you ended up being able to get your made to order, special knife. The only way that Larry might have ended up ahead in this is if the second customer told him that if he couldn't get a knife right away he wasn't interested. That is incredibly unlikely.
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keith, i think you ought to back up and think a minute..i remember seeing a negative thread about you not so long ago and if i recall, you were quite disgusted and threw around a few words..but, i was ONE of the FIRST to defend you..guess, you don't remmeber..see, that is the problem with everyone around here..they are quick to jump on the band wagon without considering ALL the FACTS or looking in the mirror or in your case, previous posts..ARE YOU SAYING it different because this is a maker and you don't wanna burn bridges? PROBABLY
again, do you only post to see your own words or do you READ any of this stuff..I STATED PLAINLY that THERE WERE NOT GOING TO BE ANY MORE 4 inch SE's..WAS ALSO POSTED BY MAKER..on THESE SAME FORUMS..since you have the e-mails, SURELY you have the one from larry that he wrote to me saying that he WAS NOT making anymore 4 inch SE's...so, again..if this is not a LIE..how could the customer order one?
so..read and digest what you see before post..
wolfmann601
Gone, but not forgotton. RIP Ira.
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Jerry, this has become pure unadulterated horse manure. The crap you are spewing about people jumping on the bandwagon is simply FALSE.
Most of here have read enough to formulate our own opinions. There has been substantial EVIDENCE for me to conclude:
1. On the first deal with timmer, you freaking LIED
2. When called on it you engaged in denials and counter-accusations
3. The majority of us, who are educated enough to make educated decisions, were easily able to see you were caught "red-handed"
4. You still waffled, and until the majority of us, who are in absolute agreement that you blew the deal with Timmer told you so, you first said you were leaving, tried to establish yourself on another forum, and found the same people making the same statements. You lied your ASS OFF in the first deal, and could NOT escape it, so you apologized. But when does it END???????????
5. As far as your dealings with Larry D. The bottom line is that once you have paid the maker, the knife is yours to do with as you choose. You can use it, stick it in your safe, sell it, or stick it up your arse. The final decision is yours. BUT Larry certainly has the absolute right to voice his disgust and displeasure with your extremely quick decision to sell a knife that he obviously put in extra effort to make YOU happy. You claim you "had" to sell it as your financial circumstances changed, I know the feeling. But when a maker busts his butt to make a person a "special" knife, you owe it to that maker to at least let him know you need to sell his knife.
And by the looks of the evidence, Larry clearly worked to meet your very specific requests. If I were the maker I would be pissed also.
But to keep this all in perspective, the good guys of BF work their butts off to be Men of their word in EVERY DEALING. You can no longer say this..............Ira
Most of here have read enough to formulate our own opinions. There has been substantial EVIDENCE for me to conclude:
1. On the first deal with timmer, you freaking LIED
2. When called on it you engaged in denials and counter-accusations
3. The majority of us, who are educated enough to make educated decisions, were easily able to see you were caught "red-handed"
4. You still waffled, and until the majority of us, who are in absolute agreement that you blew the deal with Timmer told you so, you first said you were leaving, tried to establish yourself on another forum, and found the same people making the same statements. You lied your ASS OFF in the first deal, and could NOT escape it, so you apologized. But when does it END???????????
5. As far as your dealings with Larry D. The bottom line is that once you have paid the maker, the knife is yours to do with as you choose. You can use it, stick it in your safe, sell it, or stick it up your arse. The final decision is yours. BUT Larry certainly has the absolute right to voice his disgust and displeasure with your extremely quick decision to sell a knife that he obviously put in extra effort to make YOU happy. You claim you "had" to sell it as your financial circumstances changed, I know the feeling. But when a maker busts his butt to make a person a "special" knife, you owe it to that maker to at least let him know you need to sell his knife.
And by the looks of the evidence, Larry clearly worked to meet your very specific requests. If I were the maker I would be pissed also.
But to keep this all in perspective, the good guys of BF work their butts off to be Men of their word in EVERY DEALING. You can no longer say this..............Ira
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wolfman..what evidence? what specific requests?
others perception? i have requested all the e-mails that he offered to send me..HE HAS NOT? IS HE A LIAR? YES OR NO
i asked for a thicker blade and changed the handles..the SPECIFIC material i asked for, he didn't have..plain and simple and FACTUAL
and i have the absolute right to call his bluff, supply some of those that commented prematurely with additional facts that they may have omitted or chose to ignore...strange thing though, that NONE have come back and said i absolutely lied..when i responded to their remarks or questions..isn't that kinda of strange?
and as a reply to keith's remark about another FORUM moderator and naming names..i have the ACTUAL e-mails where a MODERATOR gave his PERSONAL thoughts on what/who this forum is made of and how he felt it was WRONG..but, he noted he WAS A TEAM PLAYER and had too much to lose going against the crowd.
others perception? i have requested all the e-mails that he offered to send me..HE HAS NOT? IS HE A LIAR? YES OR NO
i asked for a thicker blade and changed the handles..the SPECIFIC material i asked for, he didn't have..plain and simple and FACTUAL
and i have the absolute right to call his bluff, supply some of those that commented prematurely with additional facts that they may have omitted or chose to ignore...strange thing though, that NONE have come back and said i absolutely lied..when i responded to their remarks or questions..isn't that kinda of strange?
and as a reply to keith's remark about another FORUM moderator and naming names..i have the ACTUAL e-mails where a MODERATOR gave his PERSONAL thoughts on what/who this forum is made of and how he felt it was WRONG..but, he noted he WAS A TEAM PLAYER and had too much to lose going against the crowd.
Brian Jones
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Everybody, sing along! (Styx):
"I got...toooo much...time on my hands, I got....tooooo...much time on my hands...!"
C'mon, everybody now!
Underdogizhere,
If you post that picture of your main squeeze here at BFC, then we'll forgive you...with a gal like that at yer side, I don't understand how you can be so upset all the time...
"I got...toooo much...time on my hands, I got....tooooo...much time on my hands...!"
C'mon, everybody now!
Underdogizhere,
If you post that picture of your main squeeze here at BFC, then we'll forgive you...with a gal like that at yer side, I don't understand how you can be so upset all the time...
This argument is beginning to remind me of what ensues when a Pro-Life advocate and a Pro-Choice advocate get together.
Folks, nobody is going to change their minds here. As entertaining as this has become, I think it's time to move on.
Just my $0.02.
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Folks, nobody is going to change their minds here. As entertaining as this has become, I think it's time to move on.
Just my $0.02.
-Al-
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Brian,
you mean my lady...?
you mean my lady...?
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It is not that I did not read that there were going to be no more 4" models made, it is just that it went completely out of my head. My bad. So I guess sending that knife back to Larry was a good thing for both of you.
I have to agree that it looks like no one is going to change their minds about what is addressed here. Being the stubborn SOB that I am, I am going to continue to agree with Jerry that he has the right to do what he pleases with his property and that Larry should not have brought his problems with Jerry to this thread. I am also going to continue to believe that Jerry's complaints against Larry are totally frivolous.
As to Jerry's comments that he came to my defense in a previous thread, that is indeed true, and I appreciate it. This fellow was a troll that ended up being banned under about half a dozen different user names. You are right that I threw around some inflamitory comments about this guy. It was the fact that he was calling down BladeForums, not me, that got me upset. Comparing that situation to this one is like comparing apples to oranges. Just because someone comes to my defense at some time or other does not mean that I will refrain from commenting when I think he is wrong. I would expect that person to do the same when he thinks I am wrong. The fact that Larry is a maker has absolutely nothing to do with my comments here.
I have to agree that it looks like no one is going to change their minds about what is addressed here. Being the stubborn SOB that I am, I am going to continue to agree with Jerry that he has the right to do what he pleases with his property and that Larry should not have brought his problems with Jerry to this thread. I am also going to continue to believe that Jerry's complaints against Larry are totally frivolous.
As to Jerry's comments that he came to my defense in a previous thread, that is indeed true, and I appreciate it. This fellow was a troll that ended up being banned under about half a dozen different user names. You are right that I threw around some inflamitory comments about this guy. It was the fact that he was calling down BladeForums, not me, that got me upset. Comparing that situation to this one is like comparing apples to oranges. Just because someone comes to my defense at some time or other does not mean that I will refrain from commenting when I think he is wrong. I would expect that person to do the same when he thinks I am wrong. The fact that Larry is a maker has absolutely nothing to do with my comments here.
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keith,
your last post was RIGHT ON..i ABSOLUTELY agree with everything you have just stated..again, i don't have a problem with larry being upset at me, as NONE of us can please everyone ALL THE TIME..
i was just a little shocked that he took it so personally..if i had known that he had even an inkling of those feelings, i would have kept the knife or at the least, contacted him and offered it to him first..i have no problem in doing that extra step.
my intention coming here again was to try to correct au unfortunate situation...not to point fingers
keith,
i NEVER had a problem with your constructive comments...it is the assupmtions that people make, which we are all guilty of at times..me included.
your last post was RIGHT ON..i ABSOLUTELY agree with everything you have just stated..again, i don't have a problem with larry being upset at me, as NONE of us can please everyone ALL THE TIME..
i was just a little shocked that he took it so personally..if i had known that he had even an inkling of those feelings, i would have kept the knife or at the least, contacted him and offered it to him first..i have no problem in doing that extra step.
my intention coming here again was to try to correct au unfortunate situation...not to point fingers
keith,
i NEVER had a problem with your constructive comments...it is the assupmtions that people make, which we are all guilty of at times..me included.