Putin's knife?

Unsub said:
I think Putins knife is a Brusletto from the pin and handle as well as the sheath.

Hyperborean Yugoslavia was a great example of how Communism should work. They had a great standard of living and peace between Serb ,muslim and Croat. Yugoslavia was where the soviets and other communist went on vacation. The idea that the Serbs were innocent victims of the war is so laughable it is hard to belive you are actually serious.

If Bush had a knife it would probably be an american design that is made in china by slave labour.

I don't know why so many people here are so anti communist ther than left over cold war propaganda. I have been to Cuba and am going back this winter on another vacation and compared to Haiti or even a poor neighbourhood in the US it is a great place to live.
They have 100% literacy and free health care for everyone.

People in the rest of the world like Castro like americans like Reagan and the rest of the world likes Reagan like americans like Castro.
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Yugoslavia was perfect example of degenerate masonic idea which went wrong just like every similar multi-"..." new world order project is destined to fail. Built on serbian blood in both cases (WW1 and WW2) and in the latter serbs were denied their historical rights by commies and serbian territory partioned into several republics. Yugoslavia was apparently presented as commie paradise in the West, in reality it was dependant on western money, kept well functioning until money was given to Broz from the west (USA mainly). Funily though, while Christian religion(s) were oppresed muslims were supported, to multiply so to speak. And btw I don't believe anything, I know.
 
JFC! The original poster just asked about a knife a world leader was using during fishing. There is a whole subforum for the discussion of politics, go there or forever hold your peace.

I do enjoy reading other nationalities discussing their views of history and politics however it is difficult to discern if they really think that way in a certain country or if it is just a random goof ball who hates this country or that country. My own countrymen, it is easy to tell if they are a goof ball or not. You other guys, not so easy.

Anyway stick to knives in this forum or the turtle will come...
 
zenheretic said:
JFC! The original poster just asked about a knife a world leader was using during fishing. There is a whole subforum for the discussion of politics, go there or forever hold your peace.

I do enjoy reading other nationalities discussing their views of history and politics however it is difficult to discern if they really think that way in a certain country or if it is just a random goof ball who hates this country or that country. My own countrymen, it is easy to tell if they are a goof ball or not. You other guys, not so easy.

Anyway stick to knives in this forum or the turtle will come...
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goof·ball (gūf'bôl') pronunciation Slang.
n.

1. A foolish, incompetent, or stupid person.
2. A barbiturate or tranquilizer pill, especially when taken for nonmedical purposes.

LMAO.
 
...I'm not into politics, and quite new to the forum, but this thread was quite entertaining for me. I think it's much more intelligently discussed, than similar themes on some other forums. so from my side - while it became quite offtopic- bravo.
...a Hungarian.;)
 
This thread demonstrates common view on modern Russia from Westerner who just can not catch speed of development there.

West was surprised with collapse of Soviet Union (because Russian finally get rid of Communists) and start getting used to this idea, start thinking that they won Cold War, start thinking that it was because of them and they are who cause this to happen. They announce Russia as a non significant any more etc...

...But another surprise - Russia is back in superpower business again! Sorry, but what do you expect? High education (free), Rich nature resources, Developed industries - (in general high-tech military but other picking up also) and NO COMMUNIST ANY MORE to waste all of this for nothing. In result you have modern democratic Russia with some legacy problems which just going away almost on daily basis now.

What poor western observers to do? They have to change story again! I guess it is just too much! Lets just take old books, wipe dust off and pretend that nothing happen - like it is same old Soviet Union and Commies, same authoritarian regime, etc... Whatever they learn in University as an major in Soviet Politics.

What do you expect - Learn new stuff? Do you expect some journalist actually try to understand what is going on there? No way, they just continue with old good "Commy-Pinco's" business - dissidents, human right violation - old good SU agenda, soviet military thread, bla, bla, bla...

And again Russia are blamed for what SU ruled by Communist did! Let me tell you that Russia lost about 60 000 000 lives because of Communists! How big is Finland population? Russians are most affected by Communists.

Real danger here is to fall back into confrontation - then it will be much different opponent then Soviet Union ruled by marasmus 90 years old Brezhnev. It is not too hard to extrapolate what will happen. Just imagine that Soviet Union is back - so what difference will be here and there all around the World where every US enemy and opponent will be actively backed up by Soviets as it was 30-50 years ago?

I guess it worse it to see what is really going on before throwing all this "Commies", "Scumbags", etc...

Thanks, Vassili.
 
Blah, blah, blah. Take it to political. Alot of us spend our time AVOIDING the political forum, because it's just alot of roundy-round, never resolving anything except who is the bigest blowhard.

So please, I implore you, stick to blade discussion in the blade discussion forum.
 
never.to.sharp said:
Blah, blah, blah. Take it to political. Alot of us spend our time AVOIDING the political forum, because it's just alot of roundy-round, never resolving anything except who is the bigest blowhard.

So please, I implore you, stick to blade discussion in the blade discussion forum.
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Nobody is forcing you to read this thread.

Good post Vassilij. Some just can't mind their own f backyard business.
 
never.to.sharp said:
Blah, blah, blah. Take it to political. Alot of us spend our time AVOIDING the political forum, because it's just alot of roundy-round, never resolving anything except who is the bigest blowhard.

So please, I implore you, stick to blade discussion in the blade discussion forum.
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Sorry, it take one Dude to throw stupid and offensive comment and we have all this 4 pages...

But you why did you read all 4? First is how it suppose to be and you may stop on second if you do not like politics (as well as I do and I am also not going to that forum for same reason).

Thanks, Vassili.
 
nozh2002 said:
This thread demonstrates common view on modern Russia from Westerner who just can not catch speed of development there.

West was surprised with collapse of Soviet Union (because Russian finally get rid of Communists) and start getting used to this idea, start thinking that they won Cold War, start thinking that it was because of them and they are who cause this to happen. They announce Russia as a non significant any more etc...

...But another surprise - Russia is back in superpower business again! Sorry, but what do you expect? High education (free), Rich nature resources, Developed industries - (in general high-tech military but other picking up also) and NO COMMUNIST ANY MORE to waste all of this for nothing. In result you have modern democratic Russia with some legacy problems which just going away almost on daily basis now.

What poor western observers to do? They have to change story again! I guess it is just too much! Lets just take old books, wipe dust off and pretend that nothing happen - like it is same old Soviet Union and Commies, same authoritarian regime, etc... Whatever they learn in University as an major in Soviet Politics.

What do you expect - Learn new stuff? Do you expect some journalist actually try to understand what is going on there? No way, they just continue with old good "Commy-Pinco's" business - dissidents, human right violation - old good SU agenda, soviet military thread, bla, bla, bla...

And again Russia are blamed for what SU ruled by Communist did! Let me tell you that Russia lost about 60 000 000 lives because of Communists! How big is Finland population? Russians are most affected by Communists.

Real danger here is to fall back into confrontation - then it will be much different opponent then Soviet Union ruled by marasmus 90 years old Brezhnev. It is not too hard to extrapolate what will happen. Just imagine that Soviet Union is back - so what difference will be here and there all around the World where every US enemy and opponent will be actively backed up by Soviets as it was 30-50 years ago?

I guess it worse it to see what is really going on before throwing all this "Commies", "Scumbags", etc...

Thanks, Vassili.
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I'm not sure I see your point.

Fact is, the West certainly won the Cold War. Or, at the very least, the Soviet Union did not win it. And that, my friend Vassili, is good for everyone in this whole wide world, be they Russians or Finnish or American Indians. It's particularly good for Russians, who, like you have stated, were the first to suffer because of communism.

This will sound offensive, but it is also the truth, and nothing but the truth: communism is not something the rest of the world imposed upon Russians, quite to the contrary, it is something Russians imposed upon Russians. Yes, Russians suffered from communism. But that is not the fault of anyone else except for Russians themselves.

Yet, while communism still held Russia, communist Russians made many other people and nations suffer, and completely without justification or even a half-way valid excuse. Finland, for example, was one such nation, that did nothing to deserve to be attacked by the Soviet Union.

You seem to think, like many others who have lived in major superpowers and large countries, that small countries such as Finland are somehow insignificant; if the people in these small countries suffer, it is somehow not comparable to any sufferings those in larger countries have faced. I can understand that point of view, it is natural for humans. But consider this: today, there are roughly five million Finns living in Finland. If something killed us all, every single one of us, just five million lives would have been lost - and an entire peole destroyed utterly. On the other hand, if ten million Russians died, Russia would still be an immensely large country with an immensely large population. Which of these two events would be worse? The death of an entire people, or a great loss of life in a country that has an enormous population that would easily survive such a loss of life? Personally, I cannot judge which would be worse, except by one rule: I would rather have a world that has both Russians and Finns living in it, than have a world that has neither or only one of the two.

As for Russians being blamed for the acts of Soviet Union, I find that to be very much justified. They should be blamed - it was Russians who built the Soviet Union. Similarly, Germans are blamed for the acts of Hitler's regime, and Finns for fighting alongside Germans against the Soviets. They should be blamed, because that was the truth of what Germans and Finns did. Americans are blamed for destroying Hiroshima, and should be, because it was Americans who did it. Japanese are blamed for what they did in China and for their attack upon Pearl Harbor, and they should be, because they in fact did those things. We should carry responsibility for the things our fathers have done, to a reasonable extent. We should know their history so as to avoid repeating their mistakes, and to avoid forgetting their virtues. The day we forget what our fathers did, we're certainly going to go back to the old confrontations not in words, but in deeds. Those that forget or deny history are forced to repeat it.

I have lived within a day's distance of Russia all my life. I know many Russians, and many Russians know me. We can get along just fine. Nations can get along just fine, as well, but only if they and their peoples admit their past errors and avoid repeating them. It is not difficult. All it takes is to swallow one's pride. Perhaps that is easier for us in smaller countries, for our pride is typically less - we know we are small, and never pretended to be great, only human and independent.

If there is to be another large confrontation between the West and Russia, I will be sad because of it. But if such a thing happens, it is not because of the West alone. Russians should understand that it is quite natural for the West to be wary of Russia, since Russia has demonstrated time and again that it will attack its neighbours without justification under certain circumstances. On the other hand, Canada doesn't have to fear the USA invading. If Russians do not want confrontation, they can easily avoid it - just do not interfere in the affairs of other independent nations. Do not make threats, and you will not be considered such a threat. This is not difficult at all.

So as to avoid this becoming a post that appears to blame Russia for all the world's troubles, allow me to explain this is not my intention. Germany, for example, had more blame in the world war than Russia ever did, and it was German armies who attacked Russian soil without any justification at all. What's done is done, and today, Russians, and Finns, and Germans, can coexist just fine without shooting each other. I like that. I like that, because I also like Russians, and Germans, and do not like getting shot at.

As for what you said about journalists, I somewhat understand your point there. Yes, to a Russian, it must seem that western journalists make a big mess out of nothing - after all, Russia is doing better than ever before. However, understand also our point of view: we want Russia to be a democracy that we can coexist and trade with, and that we do not have to be wary of the intents of Russia. Russia is new to democracy, most western countries are not. Because of this, we have some experience about making democracy work, that Russia does not have yet, and couldn't. It is absolutely a fact that Russia has some issues to work out, and I have been to Russia and seen some of these things with my two eyes. The violent treatment of conscripts, for example, is inexcusable. Limiting the freedom of the press is unacceptable in a true democracy. If someone says these things, it is not to spite Russia or to act prideful or malicious: it is to point out a real problem that deserves attention, and would deserve just as much attention in any other country as well.

I understand that the commie, pinko and such labels are hurtful and annoying. I don't particularly like them either. We don't all know everything, and old ideas stick in deep. History isn't everyone's strong point. It's not my strong point, either. So, how about we all try to be polite to each other, and learn from history what it can teach us, eh? :) Russians have suffered, Finns have suffered, and indeed most everyone has. How about we just try to avoid suffering more, and try to be friendly instead of prideful?
 
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I have been to the Klinoc show in Moscow and I have to tell you that they have a wonderful tradition of great hand-made knives. I saw more high art knives in Moscow than at any show I've been to in America. Putin is a knife collector. I have a book that has some pictures of a few of his and they are beautiful. The same book has pictures of the knife Putin commissioned as a state gift for George Bush and it is incredible. I would bet tat the knife in question is a handmade custom and probably quite nice.
 
Well, if he is a knife collector, then I guess I can overlook the KGB thug aspect of Putin's personality. Heck, nobody's perfect... not even us libertarians.
 
Gollnick said:
I have been to the Klinoc show in Moscow and I have to tell you that they have a wonderful tradition of great hand-made knives. I saw more high art knives in Moscow than at any show I've been to in America. Putin is a knife collector. I have a book that has some pictures of a few of his and they are beautiful. The same book has pictures of the knife Putin commissioned as a state gift for George Bush and it is incredible. I would bet tat the knife in question is a handmade custom and probably quite nice.
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Wouldn't surprise me. Russians have a long tradition of very fine craftsmanship.

I recall some nice eggs coming from there. ;)
 
Strobengh said:
Wouldn't surprise me. Russians have a long tradition of very fine craftsmanship.

I recall some nice eggs coming from there. ;)
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I have a Russian made dinner table. Two words describe it accurately: inexpensive, awesome. :)
 
It has been reported that Putin has given hunting knives to russian soldiers in Chechnya personally. He's a knife guy, that's for sure. ;)

Also, he's not just an orthodox christian, but he supports the russian church very strongly and vice versa.
 
My take is Mr. Putin carries a Kizlyar U-4 or Kizlyar Taran, plus a nice handle custom-made to fit his hand. Kizlyar is always eager to do custom work on their production knives when a more discriminating buyer demands it.

These are slender multi-purpose outdoor blades just a bit under 6 inches long.

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Without a doubt there are some very skilled makers in Russia and Chuck confirms that. The few that I have seen do some work that is off the charts from an artistic pont of view.

As far as a few posts here, lets keep the subject on knives, but I suggest that some need to do a little research on the Russian Orthodox church. ;). Pretty strong through many challenges and the people have shown extraordinary faith and courage during the "dark" times.
 
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