Quartermaster has made an enemy (page 28 onward)

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dkb45 said:
How about Microtech ripping off Kai? Cold Steel ripping off Strider? Yeah, not the first time. Bad to do, but you can't damn one company for doing it while turning a blind eye to the rest.
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I yell at my kids for this stuff all the time. Another company's bad behavior doesn't excuse yours. Let's focus on the original point of your thread which was to promote your brand of Quartermaster. Didn't work out quite the way you thought it would huh?

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dkb45 said:
because I don't simply dwell on the negative.
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Want me to repost all the negatives you've said about reputable and legitimate knife companies? Maybe a little server space saved if i don't.

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Yo Mama said:
I yell at my kids for this stuff all the time. Another company's bad behavior doesn't excuse yours. Let's focus on the original point of your thread which was to promote your brand of Quartermaster. Didn't work out quite the way you thought it would huh?

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I think it went exactly like he thought it would and I'm curious why he would do it AGAIN!
Even if this one dies, he'll just start another in about a couple months.
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It is proved by public records that QTRM5TR is owned by Copiousity, that Copiousity was founded by Jared West, that both enterprises are located at the same residence, and that deliveries of Chinese knives are made to that address care of Copiousity. The problem for Jared is that the facts are too easy to find.
 
If they import from China and remove the China stickers, mark the knives made in USA, it's fraud. So, maybe someone should report them to customs, or which ever branch handles that sort of fraud.
 
dkb45 said:
Not really tu quoque, it's more pointing out hypocrisy. I didn't say Quartermaster was in the clear for what happened with Warren Thomas, and I actually most forgot about that because I don't simply dwell on the negative. When the wrongs of the other companies is brought up, which isn't too often, it is generally met with a "Yeah well they make good knives so I don't care", namely for Microtech and Strider. They do make good knives with a particular style that is appealing to some, hideous to others... well look at that, just like Quartermaster. I won't go out of my way to buy one, but I don't buy knives often anyway, so Quartermaster knives are already on an ever growing, never shrinking list. I don't have infinite money, so I buy what I get a good deal on, but Quartermaster doesn't make cheap knives, and they are rarely on sale.
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It is tu quoque and not hypocrisy. You're treating the forum as a monolith rather than a collection of individuals. Think everybody forgives Strider's shenanigans or is fine with Cold Steel? Well, then you're not reading nearly enough. The main difference is that, due to their connections and the previous practices and statements of one Jared West (regardless of his ownership it is clear he has/had close ties to the company) they are starting with two strikes against them and, unlike Strider and Cold Steel, don't have much of a fanbase to ignore, dissemble about or handwave away the evidence of their bad behaviour so they get nailed on it again and again and again. They also haven't had the intestinal fortitude to come and clear up the, at best, misunderstandings that are attributed to their company.

Knife companies are a dime a dozen, and more are popping up all the time. All that I can see setting Quartermaster apart is the controversies that have traveled with them from the moment of their inception and a majority of knives that look more suited to robot grasping limbs than human hands. Gotta earn my business in this game or if it looks like trash, smells like trash and no company rep will say it isn't trash, then Jared West probably designed it.
 
It's clearly fraud and illegal if QM is actually marking these blades made in USA, after import. There by law has to be at least a sticker on each knife saying where they're made, to even import into the USA. The law is clear, if they're getting away with it, then they have for a long time.

"Customs fraud
Examples of fraudulent practices involving imports include removing a required foreign origin label before the product is even delivered to the ultimate purchaser (with or without the improper substitution of a Made in USA label) and failing to label a product with the required country of origin."
 
From the FTC's website:
What if I suspect noncompliance with the FTC’s Made in USA standard or other country-of-origin mislabeling? Information about possible illegal activity helps law enforcement officials target companies whose practices warrant scrutiny. If you suspect noncompliance, contact the Division of Enforcement, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Federal Trade Commission, Washington, DC 20580; (202) 326-2996 or send an e-mail to MUSA@ftc.gov (link sends e-mail). If you know about import or export fraud, call Customs’ toll-free Commercial Fraud Hotline, 1-800-ITS-FAKE. Examples of fraudulent practices involving imports include removing a required foreign origin label before the product is delivered to the ultimate purchaser (with or without the improper substitution of a Made in USA label) and failing to label a product with a required country of origin.
You also can contact your state Attorney General and your local Better Business Bureau to report a company. Or you can refer your complaint to the National Advertising Division (NAD) of the Council of Better Business Bureaus by calling (212) 754-1320. NAD handles complaints about the truth and accuracy of national advertising. You can reach the Council of Better Business Bureaus on the web at adweb.com/adassoc17.html.
Finally, the Lanham Act gives any person (such as a competitor) who is damaged by a false designation of origin the right to sue the party making the false claim. Consult a lawyer to see if this private right of action is an appropriate course of action for you.
Aside from reporting it per the above, you might also have standing to sue Quartermaster if you've purchased from them, depending on your state. At least in California, plaintiff purchasers can in certain circumstances have standing to bring “Made in the USA” false advertising claims under California’s Unfair Competition Laws and False Advertising Laws. (Kwikset Corp. v. Superior Court (2011) 51 Cal.4th 310.)
 
Pretty bold claim if they're imports, direct from their website:

"We believe that the best tools in the world are made right here in the United States of America. This is why all QTRM5TR knives, 100 percent of their components, even the boxes they're sold in are Made in the USA."
 
More that could be easily disproved, if false and they could be in serious trouble. How are they getting away with it? For what over three years now? It's very interesting if they are breaking the law and how they manage to continue. Strange I see no pictures of this "State-of-the-art-facility" on their website either. You'd think it would be pictured.

"Quartermaster Knives began as a single shop about an hour west of Austin, Texas but within 8 months of its inception, QTRMSTR outgrew the capacity of the shop and had to begin construction on their new state-of-the-art facility. Today, the QTRMSTR shop and satellite facilities run 6 days a week to keep up with the demand of our elite clientele which includes operators, contractors, LEO, and top shelf collectors.

QTRMSTR was started, and continues to run on a single principle: we make the finest knives on the planet- at any price, and we support this principle by offering the most comprehensive, unlimited lifetime warranty in the small arms industry."
 
The address they give for this facility, I get absolutely nothing on Google search, not on images, videos, all, nothing comes up at all. On this post office box address they give in Dripping Springs, Texas.
 
jill jackson said:
The address they give for this facility, I get absolutely nothing on Google search, not on images, videos, all, nothing comes up at all. On this post office box address they give in Dripping Springs, Texas.
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Is that a real town? Sounds icky. :D
 
Exactly Jill, they make very false statements on there website. they are a scam company. saying they make the very best when its not, plus steel other designs, and dupe dumb people into buying there wares that were outsourced from factories in china through shell names.

i would say most people dont want to spend the time to goto the fbi/ftc to do that. china doesnt have any IP infringement laws, so that will be pretty hard to overcome as well. tho the courts have had success in shutting down some replica products in the recent past like some shoe's and car parts, because they look nearly identical. the original makers dont want to goto court and spend money they may not win, or worse might come out negative regardless.

either way i dont see many "people" or knife nuts, doing anything more about the situation other than making people aware online like we are trying to do now.
 
Here you go, it's a very small town and a post office box is given for QM's factory. Strange too, unless the factory is right in the city, as I live outside a very small town and my address is not a post office box, it's a road numbered mail box. If their factory is real a picture is not to be found. Not on their site not anywhere online I can find.

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Kalibr906 said:
dkb45 you never answered my question. What is your affiliation with Quartermaster (QTRMSTR)? Be nice to know the truth here.
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Sorry I thought I did. Must have not saved when I hit post, signal at work is crap. Not paid by them, they have just done me right on customer service and their knives are aesthetically pleasing to me (yes, I have odd tastes). My Murdock was great, and fun as hell, and my new Mr Roper Eviction is truly a marvel of a knife for the price.

Reading through that it does sound like a paid ad... It isn't, I just love me some ceramic upgrades, I have been drooling over Kizer for this for a while now. Ceramic MRBS with track inserts for under $200? That's some crazy stuff to me.
 
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