Queen purchase finalized!

waynorth said:
Interesting observation Dave (is it Dave?). I think you are right in some cases. But I also think that GEC is leaning more and more toward knives that reflect the oldies. Their bone jigging has been getting more and more sophisticated. And make no mistake, jigging bone like the "old timers" did it, is a nearly lost art. I've been looking at jigging, which is one of the main visual features of a pocket knife, for 20-30 years, and I am very interested in watching GEC's evolution.
Remember, they started from scratch just a few years ago!!
And old companies like Queen, have the dies for old patterns - some from before the world wars!!
GEC has to make them which is an expensive operation! But their developing repertoire is impressive.
Needless to say, I have enjoyed watching them struggle up toward success. I hope they tough it out. I suggest we all keep watching!
I for one try to buy an example of their most successful models. Ones that have that certain something that brings back history.
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Yep its Dave...thanks for the reply. I do like GEC quality for sure. It would be nice to see them go way back in the history books and do a two blade Swell End Barehead jack with peachseed style bone jigging! Slim it down compared to their normal thickness...I would be all over those!
 
akadave2 said:
Yep its Dave...thanks for the reply. I do like GEC quality for sure. It would be nice to see them go way back in the history books and do a two blade Swell End Barehead jack with peachseed style bone jigging! Slim it down compared to their normal thickness...I would be all over those!
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Yes, exactly.

Regards

Robin
 
waynorth said:
Neal, basically, a spinning die is brought down on the cut-off end of a pin. The die is shaped to form the pin into a cap with a smooth surface. It sort of "smears" the metal down snug against handle material, tightening the handle to the liner.
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Hope this pic helps.
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Charlie thanks for the info. Love the drawings. Just like my fathers. It gets the info out there.
 
Everyone should note, there are several variations on the method I have drawn!
In many cases, the handle rivets come with finished heads; "spun" if you will.
They are inserted from the outside, and peened on the liner side!!
The anvil (see above picture) for that method has a slight cup in it to keep the head looking nice and smooth.
 
waynorth said:
Neal, basically, a spinning die is brought down on the cut-off end of a pin. The die is shaped to form the pin into a cap with a smooth surface. It sort of "smears" the metal down snug against handle material, tightening the handle to the liner.
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Hope this pic helps.
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This is GEC's one at work if i'm not mistaken...from the pics posted for 2011 forum knife. :)
 
Robert, that's a double headed spinner, it'll spin both ends of a through pin (such as a center pin or butt pin on a barehead knife) at the same time, thereby tightening up the knife at the same time it spins the heads. The chucks spin in opposite directions to prevent the pin itself from spinning. Those are operated by a footpress that brings the spinners together. The force you exert on the footpress equals the pressure that the spinners exert on the pins. Gotta have a bit of finesse to keep from cracking the covers!

Charlie, the artwork's awesome! :thumbup:

Eric
 
Thanks for posting that picture, Robert. And thank you Eric for explaining the fine points of operating that machine!!

Your friend,
TooLoose
 
It does look just like it, Duncan. :eek:


There goes your 15 minutes of fame allotment!!:p
 
I haven't checked the Queen website in a while and found this picture today with this header "1st Time File & Wire Tested Series Made in D2 Tool Steel".
Anyone have any other specs on these besides the D2 steel?


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Stu,
thanks for posting these pictures. I had just seen them as well.
Isn't that a GEC frame? If it's not, it does look alot like it.

Fausto
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The stag on the top one is killer!!
Didn't File and Wire used to be ATS-34?
 
Charlie.....yes all the File & Wire Series has been ATS 34....

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Fausto...no that's the Queen's frame..I'll post a few pics


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At first glance this is the easiest way to tell the difference by the bolster........the Queen/Schatt&Morgan is built on a 4 5/8" frame while the Great Eastern is 4 1/2"
 
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Thanks for the pictures Jim.
It did sound pretty weird, but my eyes tricked me and I was in doubt :)


Fausto
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The use of ATs-34 has been what has differentiated their File and Wire series from their regular line for a number of years. If they are now switching the File and Wire to D2, what is going to differentiated it from their regular line? (Hoping against hope that their regular line will not switch to 420HC.)
 
Frank.....

Though the regular line of Schatt&Morgan has always been 420C .....
 
It's a way for Queen to differentiate between the old era and new era knives in their line. For the File and Wire series at least, people will now know they have a knife made by Queen owned by the Daniels family if their File and Wire knife has D2 instead of ATS34. We'll have to wait and see how the Daniels family is going to differentiate the old era knives from their new era knives.

I still won't buy a Queen or Schatt & Morgan knife of recent manufacture unless I can see it in hand before purchasing.
 
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