Queen purchase finalized!

Ryan, I wish you and your dad all the best, and I'd like to congratulate Jennie Moore on achieving the presidency! A more deserving person does not exist!
In all the years I have dealt with Queen she has been unfailing in helping me achieve what I needed in spite of some ridiculous corporate obstacles.
This takeover gives me a lot of hope!
 
Just wanted to say a job well done to the Daniels family on the purchase of the Queen cutlery Co. I pray for your success going forward. I have had great luck with all my Queen purchases, with the exception of a couple that need to be sharpened. I have approx 20 Queen knives and 10 to 15 Queen contract knives. Such as Robeson in D2 and Quen city in 1095.
My thanks to Charlie for the update on the sale update.
Harold
 
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AntiqueKnifeFan said:
Hello everyone this is Ryan Daniels , my family and I really appreciate the support and well wishes everyone has gave us. I will be trying to be on here in the future to give updates and info of new things we are going to try. I will be completely redoing the queen website here in the next few months trying to make it much more interactive and informative.

The first big the thing we would like to announce is that Jenny Moore has been named President of Queen Cutlery Co.

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Ryan,

I hope you can return the production standards to what they were like 5 years ago
Please return S&M to its flagship status in regards to quality

Your D2 is very special, and unique in the slippy world to have a higher end steel as standard

Please read the many many posts about poor factory grinds
That turn around would help you infinitely
And publicise the turn around

The very best of luck
 
The only complaints I have are gaps and knives coming dull. My queen hunter skinner fixed blade has an awful grind at the tip especially. My wicked edge sharpener isn't a match for that much D2 so I can't fix it easily.
 
Good luck Ryan!

I'm looking forward to see what will come next from Queen and Schatt & Morgan.

Cheers,
Griff
 
bonusmarple said:
I don't care if my knife can be driven through a car door and still slice a tomato. Give me 1095 at 57 RC, tight construction, no wobble, and a nice thin grind and I am a happy man.
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There's an awful lot of wisdom in that post. :thumbup:

neeman said:
Please read the many many posts about poor factory grinds
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I don't think this can be stressed enough. In this day and age, you just can't sell a knife with a butter-knife-like edge. It'd be worth spending a few hours rooting through the forum archives here to get an idea how deeply this sentiment runs.

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I have wanted to try out a Queen knife for awhile now. I would love D2 in a slip joint. I just cant spend my money on products that get consistant complaints and no change is made. Glad to hear I can revisit a Queen purchase in the future. I will be following along.

May I suggest that the new Queen start fresh. A new tang stamp or something to let us know its the new stock? I have no interest in Queen, pre Daniels family.
 
Regarding "poor" factory edges...

mnblade said:
I don't think this can be stressed enough. In this day and age, you just can't sell a knife with a butter-knife-like edge. It'd be worth spending a few hours rooting through the forum archives here to get an idea how deeply this sentiment runs.
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Not contesting the fact that people have come to expect this, but I honestly don't understand why people demand a sharp finished edge.

I expect a knife to be put together well and for the blade's primary grind to be correct for it's purpose. But, I'm the one who's going to use the knife and resharpen it and so I have no problem with stepping up and sharpening it at the git go to my preference. I can't even imagine buying a knife and putting into service without putting an edge... no... my edge on it.

If the steel is an unsharpenable super-steel... well... I don't get having a blade you can't sharpen or that you need to send back to get it sharpened.
 
Patience. We must be patient. Obviously there is a huge amount of work to be done in all areas including machinery and the work force. It may take a couple of years before the new Queen company is able to reliably produce top quality knives.
What we, the lovers of Traditional style knives want is high quality and reliability.
Most knife buying is on-line and we cannot inspect a knife before buying. It is with much anticipation that we wait for a new knife purchase to arrive. If, when the knife arrives, it has 'issues', such as any blade play at all, too thick a blade grind, gaps between liners and springs, poorly aligned blade spine/spring junction, etc., the disappointment we feel is profound. Unfortunately this is a common occurence.
Give us a very high standard of quality control and you will gain happy loyal buyers.
Pre WW II USA manufactured folders were of a very high quality. Hold one of these knives today and the feel of quality is still present and is most satisfying. This is the quality of knife we yearn for now.
To do this you need employees dedicated to getting their part in knife making exactly right every time. Employees need to know that their efforts are appreciated and that they are valued. There are consultants who specialize in helping to create this positive, cooperative workplace. The employees are the key to consistently producing great knives, so consider getting the best help available in re-designing the workplace and the ways in which people there will interact with each other.
Best of luck to the Daniels. We want to support you because we want Top Quality knives every time.
roland
 
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Roland , you're so right......"Obviously there is a huge amount of work to be done in all areas including machinery and the work force. It may take a couple of years before the new Queen company is able to reliably produce top quality knives.".....And I'll add that certainly anything new coming out in the next six months would not reflect what will be done in a year from now....
 
I'm curious to know what the Daniels are going to do with the dull, ill fit and finished knives that are completed and on the shelves at Queen now. Would they go so far as to unbox, unwrap, and sharpen all of those knives, inspect them and do any adjustments needed to correct obvious gaps, etc.?

Maybe some dealers might want to return their in stock Queen and Schatt & Morgan knives for a once over, sharpening, and gap treatment.

I hope the Daniels family will find a unique mark to stamp on corrected knives and a new tang stamping for newly built knives on their watch.

I miss buying Queen/Schatt & Morgan knives (new from a dealer) and hope to be buying them again in the next 12-months.
 
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If I were taking over, I would be tempted to add an "Old Stock" engravement on the previous watch's products, and blow them out the door at a 50% discount.
The cash could be used for the improvements needed. I have noticed the late 70s, early 80s Case knives are not as desireable, and bring low prices, because Case was at a similar low point in its history, as Queen is now.
Of course the dealers who hold Queen knives in stock might have a lot to say about that!!
 
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If I were taking over, I would be tempted to add an "Old Stock" engravement on the previous watch's products, and blow them out the door at a 50% discount.
 The cash could be used for the improvements needed. I have noticed the late 70s, early 80s Case knives are not as desireable, and bring low prices, because Case was at a similar low point in its history, as Queen is now.
Of course the dealers who hold Queen knives in stock might have a lot to say about that!!
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Not a bad idea Charlie. It has merit.

One thing about the Case knives from the late 70s on is that you can pin down the year of manufacture and base your purchases on those dates/time periods. Queen however, is not so exact with their date of manufacture identification.

Anyway, it'll be interesting to see what unfolds over the next 6-months and beyond.
 
pinnah said:
Regarding "poor" factory edges...



Not contesting the fact that people have come to expect this, but I honestly don't understand why people demand a sharp finished edge.

I expect a knife to be put together well and for the blade's primary grind to be correct for it's purpose. But, I'm the one who's going to use the knife and resharpen it and so I have no problem with stepping up and sharpening it at the git go to my preference. I can't even imagine buying a knife and putting into service without putting an edge... no... my edge on it.

If the steel is an unsharpenable super-steel... well... I don't get having a blade you can't sharpen or that you need to send back to get it sharpened.
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My problem with Queen's edges in the recent past is that either the blades are being blanked much narrower from spine to edge than the same models from the past, and being left much thicker on the primary grind, or the factory "sharpening" is grinding away an amount of steel equivalent to ten years worth of normal sharpening, or maybe more. Judging by the "tooth" that was left next to the choil on the blades of my Queen made forum Moose, I'd say it was the latter. I'd much rather receive a knife with no secondary bevel at all and a flat edge than having to do a primary regrind to get the edge down to a reasonable thickness. After all, I'm shopping for a pocketknife, not a battleaxe.

To illustrate, here is a comparison of a 1978 Queen #49 and a 2011 Queen #49. Both are sharpened at 30° included. The '78 measures 0.017" thick at the back of the edge bevel. The '11 measures 0.048" at the back of the edge bevel. Which do you suppose cuts better?

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pinnah said:
Not contesting the fact that people have come to expect this, but I honestly don't understand why people demand a sharp finished edge.
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I don't expect a knife to be razor sharp and able to cut steel cable with a single swipe BUT a knife should at least be able to handle most any task required of that style of knife out of the box. If for whatever reason a person doesn't have a knife available and they need one, they should be able to buy one at a store, etc. and be able to accomplish any reasonable task they need the knife for.

Queen just doesn't come up to that standard.

Buck goes over and above that standard.
 
yablanowitz, That photo is a nice demonstration. :thumbup: The tang is a little smaller on the new knives and I'm inclined to think that the new blade blanks are not as full as the old blade blanks. I thought it was just a terrible grind but oversharpening is another possibility. If that is the problem, I'm still not particularly impressed with the grind on some of the knives. Regardless of the cause, it needs to be corrected.
 
Modoc ED said:
I don't expect a knife to be razor sharp and able to cut steel cable with a single swipe BUT a knife should at least be able to handle most any task required of that style of knife out of the box. If for whatever reason a person doesn't have a knife available and they need one, they should be able to buy one at a store, etc. and be able to accomplish any reasonable task they need the knife for.

Queen just doesn't come up to that standard.

Buck goes over and above that standard.
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This is a good way to put it. Its kind of to say, if you needed a knife right now and you went shopping which one will work. You don't have time to sharpen it you just need a functional knife. I guess when you think of it that way it is pretty sad to think that some of these knives are not functional NIB?
 
That's part of the reason why I bought Buck 301s as groomsman's gifts for a friends wedding... I wasn't going to sharpen that many knives before giving them away. ;)
 
yablanowitz said:
My problem with Queen's edges in the recent past is that either the blades are being blanked much narrower from spine to edge than the same models from the past, and being left much thicker on the primary grind, or the factory "sharpening" is grinding away an amount of steel equivalent to ten years worth of normal sharpening, or maybe more. Judging by the "tooth" that was left next to the choil on the blades of my Queen made forum Moose, I'd say it was the latter. I'd much rather receive a knife with no secondary bevel at all and a flat edge than having to do a primary regrind to get the edge down to a reasonable thickness. After all, I'm shopping for a pocketknife, not a battleaxe.

To illustrate, here is a comparison of a 1978 Queen #49 and a 2011 Queen #49. Both are sharpened at 30° included. The '78 measures 0.017" thick at the back of the edge bevel. The '11 measures 0.048" at the back of the edge bevel. Which do you suppose cuts better?

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This is my biggest complaint as well, just look at this #40 gunstock I own, the area behind the edge is extremely thick!

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