Question for the collectors and knife buyers.

[betzner]

Kevin,

The thread is not trashed....let it run its' course....most of us that know what's up were expecting Tai to do this....it doesn't matter...it's like watching the developmentally disabled kid lick the windows....kinda uncomfortable and icky, but doesn't change the civil conversation you are having with his parents, just a temporary distraction, right?

Just let the kid keep licking the windows, and the rest of us will keep on having the conversation we were before.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

STeven - I hate to get off track/off threadtopic, but I just couldn't let this quote of yours pass without full complimentary honors. It may be the best analogy I have ever read that speaks to the issue of he (TG) who is ignored.

 

[Kevin R. Cashen]

Posted 03-01-2009, 12:33 PM

Evidently I can't lock the thread. I looked under my thread tools options tab and don't see it there.

So let me just say this. I was really just trying to help, but I let my emotions get in the way and I blew it! I'm sorry.

Obviously, there aren't many who share my views, or it's impossible for me to communicate them effectively,... or no one who shares my views wants to get involved, which is understandable. I'm sure not gaining anything by any of it... and I don't think anyone else is.

So,... I'll just do my best to stay off this forum completely. I'm sure it will be fine without me.

I'll still post pics of my work on one or more of the other Bladeforums areas for those who like looking.

Please lets just drop it.

Thanks in advance.
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We were pretty sure you would be back Tai, but we all certainly got the impression that you were willing to knock it off with this nonsense that more than once got you some special moderator attention.

 

[Kevin R. Cashen]

Kevin,

The thread is not trashed....let it run its' course....most of us that know what's up were expecting Tai to do this....it doesn't matter...it's like watching the developmentally disabled kid lick the windows....kinda uncomfortable and icky, but doesn't change the civil conversation you are having with his parents, just a temporary distraction, right?

Just let the kid keep licking the windows, and the rest of us will keep on having the conversation we were before.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

Right you are Steve, I guess I have added to the distraction just by acknowledging it.

 

[Tai Goo]

Tai, (yes I will actually address you even though I have found the best thing to do is just ignore your rude harassments. There Matt I have lost the struggle too), I will not presume to argue with you on what is “goofy” or what “makes no sense”, as I am a rank amateur in your presence concerning such things. However I have noticed how suddenly professional and accommodating you can be in the thread hawking your DVD on the Bladesmithing forum. Different paradigm when you can line your pockets isn’t it? But more importantly you will notice how nobody is crashing that thread with negative off topic gibberish in order to derail it. What if all of us abandoned courtesy as easily as you do and harangued that thread, and any other you posted, until it got trampled to death or locked? How would you handle that harassment? No where near as well as I have I’ll guess, but don’t worry I don’t believe anybody here would resort to the behavior that many of us thought we had an agreement with you about. Don’t like a thread, start your own that you do like, and we were able to let you have it without pulling any of your nonsense, well right before you said you would stop posting altogether- that lasted how many weeks?

Folks, I am sorry for this exchange and the tone I have taken, but some of you may not be aware of Tai’s long standing program of harassment of almost anything I may post, or anything he doesn’t think should be heard and can shouted down for that matter. I have found the best way to deal with him is to ignore most of what he writes, believe me, it is easy if you try (oops, I just gave Tai an opening to start posting Lennon lyrics). However I doubt he could tolerate this poll to continue in any direction that does not meet his approval. So I can speak up to appeal to any decency he may have and ask him to knock it off , or from what I know of his sense of shame or consideration, we can assume this thread is over at this point.

Tai, I have asked you before and I will ask you again- what the heck are you so afraid of? There is a big difference between countering things that are said and not tolerating them to be said at all.

*** Sarcasm alert! ***

Hey! I love you too!

Yep, I'm so filthy stinking rich off my video, I have nothing better to do. Eat your heart out! LOL

 

[Ken Williams]

Being almost irrelevant due to my non-collector/neophyte status, I only decided to play (vote) when things heated up. Though I have (and really like) a little buggy spring hunter by one who's known for achieving superb results with it, steel type matters because I get'm wet and bloody, utopia for corrosion, which I welcome significantly less than leukemia. If I was a big-time collector, the steel would be paramount in almost every case I can think of.

Got to amen Bob's analysis of STeven's last post. He may be known, among other things, for painting pictures on skin, but he would have to be Rembrandt to surpass his word picture on that post. Had me giddy-giggly like a school girl overcome with delight. Economical and sharper than and 2-edged sword. More and more polish and diminishing profane bomb-throwing is a treat to witness. Me too, Jason.

I haven't been around long, but I've notice Tai's animus for Kevin. Highly unbecoming of one so gifted.

ken

 

[Kevin R. Cashen]

...In the end,... I hope the video will stand on it's own merit and not what people may think of me personally...

I most certainly agree and would be happy to say so for you anytime, anywhere.

Yes Tai, I read your post concerning me in the DVD thread . Note the word “read”, you see I am content to just read a thread that does not concern me without having to post in the attempt to derail it. In fact if you would like me to say something nice about you or your DVD I am sure I could think of something, otherwise I prefer to just leave the thread alone. We all should be able to expect that level of common courtesy which falls far short of the number of posters, who have bought your DVD and are saying very nice things, after they themselves have received your utter disrespect. I believe in and support your every right to make any money you can, you even have the right to promote yourself anyway you like. But others would appreciate it if you would act as mature in our threads as you do in the ones that benefit you.

 

[Tai Goo]

Kevin, all I've heard are personal attacks.

What about the points I tried to make on this thread, regarding this topic,… however obscure it may be? Do you disagree with what I've said about salvaging and recycling steel? If so,… I’d welcome a direct response to it.

 

[RogerP]

Kevin, all I've heard are personal attacks.

What about the points I tried to make on this thread, regarding this topic,… however obscure it may be? Do you disagree with what I've said about salvaging and recycling steel? If so,… I’d welcome a direct response to it.

Tai - I like your knives - and have said so many times in the past. But would you please give it a rest and take the hint that nobody is buying your tortured "I'm a collector too!" reasoning? You're a maker - and you are here to do exactly what Kevin requested that makers refrain from doing: intrude upon this thread to advance your own entrenched position on the topic. I'm asking nicely - kindly butt out?

Thanks,

Roger

 

[CUTS LIKE A KRIS]

I'll try to rail this thread once more. I've only made 7 knives thus far, so still do not consider myself a knifemaker, and I own more customs than I have made, so I feel I am more of a collector. Of all of my customs I have a steel that I do not care for (440C), but only one knife has a steel that I do not know what it is (damascus puuko). In most cases I have to know what it is- trust in the maker- and even if I am not a fan of the steel I can determine if the price matches the overall package. To me it is important to know what goes into a knife.

I did not vote, however, because I have never considered asking a maker where the steel came from, if it was new or known recycled.

 

[Jose Reyes]

Generally speaking I wouldn't consider buying a knife made from an "unknown" piece of steel. If the maker has a cache of it though and learns it's characteristics before making blades to sell I wouldn't have a problem with it. The steel is important but maybe not so much so once you take the design, geometry, ergonomics and other aspects of the knife into account as a whole. I do believe that at those price ranges you are buying "art" and the main selling point will be the maker and his execution of the piece.

 

[Tai Goo]

You can try to "define" me however you like, and I can do the same with you.

The fact is,... over the past 30 years or so, I've owned and tested more custom knives, than many who call themselves “collectors“, and who’s participation on this thread seems welcome.

I don't see the purpose of why knifemakers in general should be considered second class citizens or omitted on any thread or on any public forum about custom knives,… including myself.

 

[RogerP]

I don't see the purpose of why knifemakers in general should be considered second class citizens or omitted on any thread or on any public forum about custom knives,… including myself.

Since you are by no means a fool, I feel you must realize that the request for non-participation by makers was not to brand them as second-class citizens (a suggestion which is patently absurd), but to obtain the views of a different segment of the knife community - collectors.

Since you seem intent on persisting with your incessant baiting and sniping, I will take the good advice offered earlier and simply ignore what very predictably comes next from you.

Roger

 

[SShepherd]

You can try to "define" me however you like, and I can do the same with you.

The fact is,... over the past 30 years or so, I've owned and tested more custom knives, than many who call themselves “collectors“, and who’s participation on this thread seems welcome.

I don't see the purpose of why knifemakers in general should be considered second class citizens or omitted on any thread or on any public forum about custom knives,… including myself.

because the OP, Kevin, asked for knifemakers not to take part...plain and simple. You seem like a pretty intelligent man, just because youdon't see whydoesn't give you the right to asshattery in this thread. You have a problem with a thread, take it to a Mod.
You obviously have a problem with Kevin, it shows in every thread he starts and you try to piss on. Out of respect for the rest of us, either please start your own thread or respect the intent of the poll from the OP.

 

[Gollnick]

I can't believe how many knifemakers have responded to this thread WHEN THE WHOLE DAMN POINT OF THE THREAD WAS TO PRECLUDE KNIFEMAKERS!!!!!!!

You pathetic sots have once again managed to destroy an otherwise beneficial and informative thread due to your totally polarized zealot beliefs and a total inability to READ or otherwise follow instructions.

Unless the results of the poll can be changed to eliminate the numerous knifemakers that participated, the results might as well be dismissed.

Here at bf.c, we don't recognize the concept of "thread ownership" wherein someone, even the "original poster" can make rules about who may and who may not participate in a thread. All threads are "owned" by the community and anyone who wants to may participate in any thread.

As for your pole, you have elected an open pole wherein member's names are associated with their votes, so you and just take out votes from people whose opinons you don't value and get your desired result.

And everyone here should be reminded that personal attacks are not appropriate. Address the topic at hand, not personalities.

 

[Kevin R. Cashen]

I had no intentions of violating any of the rules, this may be the first time I have ever been made aware of doing so, intentionally or unintentionally and it distresses me considerably to know this. Of course, my sincerest apologies to the forum moderators and please consider my question withdrawn. I regret any problems my ignorance of the rules may have caused.

Sincerely Apologetic
Kevin R. Cashen

 

[Kohai999]

Here at bf.c, we don't recognize the concept of "thread ownership" wherein someone, even the "original poster" can make rules about who may and who may not participate in a thread. All threads are "owned" by the community and anyone who wants to may participate in any thread.

Chuck, not to sass you, but "you" or "management" may take it that there is no concept of thread ownership, but simply being able to lock a thread that you start as a Platinum member "implies" ownership....in addition, as you know, mob rules.

The very idea that a thread cannot be exclusionary by request or by action runs completely counter to everything that I have done or seen on BladeForums, and as in many things that you and I look at, we are free to differ in our opinions...but I can tell you that if you start invading the Customs subforum with this heavy approach, I'll simply stop participating, and hope that you can make up for the vacuum. Remember what you did to Political.

It is a "poll", not a "pole".

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

 

[2knife]

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[Lorien]

^ well, that is interesting.

 

[Steve Hayden]

I have to admit I voted-prior to starting reading. Kevin if you wish to remove my vote, go ahead. I will not say what it was and will not express an opinion-that can be found elsewhere.

 

[Matthew Gregory]

Chuck, not to sass you, but "you" or "management" may take it that there is no concept of thread ownership, but simply being able to lock a thread that you start as a Platinum member "implies" ownership....in addition, as you know, mob rules.

The very idea that a thread cannot be exclusionary by request or by action runs completely counter to everything that I have done or seen on BladeForums

Mr. Gollnick's post was directed at me, as I asked for the moderators' attention to this thread. Had I known that the stance of the moderators and ownership was that the lowest common denominator could be allowed to override any topic in the most trivial manner, without the possible threat of repercussion, I never would have bothered.

This position is very disheartening to me.