QuietBearr cannot be trusted with your knives

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In October I sent a Woodsman (one of my line pictured below) out to Logan Cressler, who does youtube reviews under the username Quietbearr. The agreement was that he would do a appearance review, and do some testing. I was explicit with Mr. Cressler that I would not be buying a review with a free knife. He agreed to send the knife back after testing.

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The first quote from his e-mail I'm showing where he agreed to return the knife.

I can return it to you after testing that is fine, but again I wont mention that it was sent out for review to avoid the things that I mentioned in the video. I would possibly be interested in keeping it if I have the money at the time, finances are tight right now, but we will see when I get it what happens. It is still very cool to review it and test it out a bit.
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This next quote is where he describes his testing as not abusive:

The testing will not be abusive at all, it just might take a little bit of work from you to restore the finish and edge perhaps, I dont know yet as I havnt tested it, but I suspect at least some buffing and stropping would be in order if I test it.
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Soon after recieving the knife and doing his table top review on Youtube, he contacted me to say that he broke the tip off of the knife while prying with it and suggested I change the design to accomodate this function. Now, the Woodsman is a long thin bladed knife, and in no way resembles anything a person should pry with. This never should have happened, and would have voided my warranty as abuse. Only abject stupidity can excuse this IMO.

He told me for a few months that he would send the knife back. Again and again this happened. He moved and left my knife somewhere. Again, I am supposed to understand this. Bottom line. No knife has ever been returned to me!

So, then in the middle of June I got really nasty with him and demanded either my knife or payment. He told me he shipped it, and he has a tracking # from some package he shipped on May 13, 2010. No additional information, like the address he sent it to so that I could check that it is correct has been given to me. At no point did he inform me he had shipped the package, so that I could track it and intervene when it went off course. Now it has been sitting in Forest Park Illinois since May 27th. Logan filed a claim on the 14th of June, and has refused to pay for my knife. The package does seem to be moving again, but I'm the one stuck waiting on the Post Office to find a lost package.

I am not sending any money until I hear from the post office that the package is indeed lost.
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I thought it was high time for me to report this user's behavior here in the GB and U.

DON'T send your knives out to Logan Cressler of QuietBearr productions for testing. He doesn't treat your knife with proper respect, and he is not responsible enough to get your knife back to you in a timely manner.
 
Damn Andy that is tough, and you are too good of a person to have that happen to. I'd do everything I could to make sure this gets out too. You know if you made it thick like a Busse then you wouldn't have that problem right, and if it was made out of INFI......
 
CUTS LIKE A KRIS said:
Damn Andy that is tough, and you are too good of a person to have that happen to. I'd do everything I could to make sure this gets out too. You know if you made it thick like a Busse then you wouldn't have that problem right, and if it was made out of INFI......
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I have some Busses I could sell you, I need need some money for a new Fiddleback.




Sorry to here that Andy. You do know you have a few people in Illinois that might be able to pick it up from the Post Office if your able to pin it down.:thumbup:
 
BushcraftBrainTrust said:
Sorry to here that Andy. You do know you have a few people in Illinois that might be able to pick it up from the Post Office if your able to pin it down.:thumbup:
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+1 on that. I'm out near Forest Park's sort center facility a couple times a week.
 
This is precisely what GB&U is for.

If anything, you've probably been too kind and forebearing.

Another fool willing to trade his reputation for one knife. It just doesn't make sense.:mad:
 
I don't even think Quietbearr is after a free knife. I think he's just bumbled the shipping for over half a year, and now is refusing to just pay for the knife.

Edited to add that he definitely doesn't have good judgement WRT knives if he thought the Woodsman needed a prying test.
 
what a bummer Andy... hope it all works out...:thumbup: bummer about the broken tip too, maybe you should have sent him a hammer instead..
 
Sorry to hear that Andy. The Woodsman is a great knife and I'm glad we had a chance to play with it at WM. But, you are right that there's nothing about the knife that would occasion one to think that you should use it as a pry bar.

I hope you get square on the deal.

Garrett
 
Sucks to hear about your knife entirely, as well as the entire experience.

I live about two towns over from Forest Park, if that helps at all. I could pop over to their facility if in fact it is still sitting there, though whether or not i get anywhere with the postmaster depends on whether or not they have an asshat in charge or not.

Why send the knife to some bozo who posts internet reviews in the first place?

The vast majority of these reviews are so damned dull to watch I have never made it thru one start to finish. Beyond that, this guy is an idiot using a thin-stock knife as a pry bar. Perhaps his dumb ass needs to simply buy a RAT (ESEE) and be done with it. They seem to build knives with either him in mind.

The internet has bred many "authorities" on all manner of subject, mainly as a result of its easy access. I am no fan of requiring folks to put wheelchair ramps in their privately owned historic houses (Naperville IL is famous for this practice) and I think that YouTube has in similar fashion been nearly singularly responsible for dumbing down the internet further than we would have imagined possible. Sometimes a barrier to technology is really not a bad thing after all.

Logan seems a complete shitbag, really, breaking it, and then claiming it was lost or whatever for six months. Where did this piece of work move to, so I can avoid accidentally meeting him for coffee? If you cannot afford to replace it, then do NOT ask for it and certainly do not claim that it's not your responsibility when you lose it or break it.

I am glad to know the spirit of Cliff Stamp is alive and well once more.
 
Why would it not have helped? The knife is sweet. Even if I don't get it back its not a lot to risk. Should have been no risk at all. Had the guy been honorable I mean.
 
Fiddleback said:
Why would it not have helped? The knife is sweet. Even if I don't get it back its not a lot to risk. Should have been no risk at all. Had the guy been honorable I mean.
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Actually, I was going for "Does it help sell you knives if you send one of your knives to a retarded monkey with a camcorder?" :D

I understand the part about low risk of sending him a knife, but sending a knife to an idiot who cannot tell the difference between Stanley Wonder Bar and small bushcrafting/ skinning knife is like sending any knife to Cliff Stamp. The results are predictable and he's going to be problematic afterwards.

Anyway, beyond that, if for some reason the knife shows as stuck in Forest Park, I've got some time next week and could pay the postal geniuses a visit for you with a copy of the shipping information if you'd like.
 
The knife showed up here today. It was shipped wrapped in a plastic shopping bag and stuffed into a Priority Mail envelope. The envelope destroyed itself. The postal inspector put a note into the package when they stuffed my knife back in there.

"We as employees of the Postal Sort Department suggest: A stronger Carton."

When the knife was shipped out to Mr. Cressler it was in beautiful condition. It was shipped in a sturdy box, and the knife was wrapped in brown paper which was secured with twine to protect it within the box. On return, the tip is broken, the knife wasn't cleaned before shipping, and it has rusted, and the heat in the postal warehouse has warped the scales. The knife will be destroyed tomorrow. Mr Cressler has shown a deep disrespect in treating the knife destructively, and by shipping it with as little effort as possible.

I wouldn't recommend sending your work out to Quietbearr Productions. Mr Cressler doesn't have the mettle to be trusted with your tools. The knife returned to me has been rendered garbage by Logan Cressler of Quietbearr Productions.
 
A quote from me to Logan Cressler:

The knife has been delivered. It is trash. Broken, rusted to hell because of being shipped without even being cleaned, and the heat in the postal warehouses cooked the scales off the knife. The postal inspector included a note that your Priority Mail envelope wasn’t a strong enough carton, and needs to be stronger next time!

Logan, when I shipped you that knife you said it would just take a couple of minutes at the buffer to get it to like new condition. Your actions have been irresponsible from the beginning, and have caused this knife to be damaged beyond what I can repair. You couldn’t even take the effort to ship it back in a box. This was not part of our agreement, and as you’ve broken the agreement by destroying the knife, you still owe me the $230.

I don’t imagine you have the honor to stand by your word. If you do, please paypal me the funds immediately.

Andy Roy
249 Brookcliff Drive
Sugar Hill, GA 30518
404-519-2787
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:thumbdn: Doesn't seem to be any ambiguity here. Even if the knife is paid for, Quietbearr clearly can't be trusted to look after knives at all.
 
Fiddleback said:
The knife showed up here today. It was shipped wrapped in a plastic shopping bag and stuffed into a Priority Mail envelope. The envelope destroyed itself. The postal inspector put a note into the package when they stuffed my knife back in there.

"We as employees of the Postal Sort Department suggest: A stronger Carton."

When the knife was shipped out to Mr. Cressler it was in beautiful condition. It was shipped in a sturdy box, and the knife was wrapped in brown paper which was secured with twine to protect it within the box. On return, the tip is broken, the knife wasn't cleaned before shipping, and it has rusted, and the heat in the postal warehouse has warped the scales. The knife will be destroyed tomorrow. Mr Cressler has shown a deep disrespect in treating the knife destructively, and by shipping it with as little effort as possible.

I wouldn't recommend sending your work out to Quietbearr Productions. Mr Cressler doesn't have the mettle to be trusted with your tools. The knife returned to me has been rendered garbage by Logan Cressler of Quietbearr Productions.
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I just wanted to say, I ship knives wrapped in plastic shopping bags. I actually use two, roll them up inside tightly, and secure the bags with tape. It actually waterproofs the knives to some extent (unlike brown paper and twine), and could prevent damage by 'padding' them inside the shipping box. Not that this really is relevant, but it just seemed you pointed out the plastic bag thing like he was a skank for doing it that way. Anyways, I've never had a knife arrive any worse for wear doing it this way, and I've sent quite a few. Food for thought.
 
I wrap them in plastic bags, too, but then I pad them all around inside a cardboard box, generally a USPS Priority Mail box. Which is free. Evidently, Cressler put the knife rolled in a plastic bag inside an envelope.
 
Yes. One of those Priority Mail shippers. Not a box.
 
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