Randall 14 Vs Busse Sarsquatch

[MARSUS]

Did you think I had disappeared forever?I have been busy to receive many knives from your great Nation,also another Busse NMSFNO
Hi buddy:thumbup:

 

[Lycosa]

Thanks MARSUS!
You have a Great country, too.

 

[Buffalohump]

Words of wisdom!!! :thumbup:

One last time, from the Randall catalog. For those that missed it, here it is again:


"You cannot cut bone, nails, bolts or pierce metal with a cutting edge and point designed for meat despite some advertising to the contrary. We have done extensive tests and find such feats cannot be performed unless the design of the cutting edge and point is altered. Using a fine hunting knife for an axe will naturally damage its cutting edge. And pounding, prying, or throwing a knife not designed for these purposes is likely to damage it. We strongly suggest that if you'll use your knife for a special heavy-duty purpose, let us know when you order so we can shape the blade and bevel accordingly."


I think it applies to knives in general, regardless of the maker. The right tool for the task at hand. It should have ended the debate when brownshoe quoted it early on in the thread.

 

[t1mpani]

Words of wisdom!!! :thumbup:

I agree, although I imagine we're thinking of different parts of this statement. They say that these tasks can be performed as long as the bevel is suitable to them. One of the main debates here has been that one had a far more rugged edge geometry than the other, so that the results of comparison in a toughness test are unfairly slanted towards it, much as the results of comparison in a test of their ability to slice would be unfairly slanted towards the the other.

I don't agree with a blanket notion, however, that there's this extremely narrow scope of suitable uses for knives. A knife that has a 1/4" stock thickness and a ten inch blade is NOT made to fillet fish, and yet many will look at any use beyond cuticle trimming and opening mail as abusive. Big, heavy knives have a different scope of uses than small thin knives. They can be used to spread peanut butter and dice vegetables, but it's not what they excel at. Similarly, a paring knife can be batoned through wood--but it's not what I would grab if other options were available.

 

[SubaruSTi]

wrong busse for the test!

 

[1234]

Zombie thread !


1234,,,,

 

[Nternal]

I would love to own a Randall Model 1,14 or 16 but I just can't just justify spending that much and/or waiting that long for one.

 

[Sufler]

I would love to own a Randall Model 1,14 or 16 but I just can't just justify spending that much and/or waiting that long for one.

Can't do much about the price - think of it as good value in comparison to what's out there now - a hand forged blade/handmade? As to the wait? There are Randall Authorized dealers out there who are currently accepting orders with delivery of January 2012 - you'll simply pay the price of the delivery year - so; you'll pay 2012 catalog price. Think of it this way - now you have a full year to save for your Randall.

:thumbup:

 

[Nternal]

Can't do much about the price - think of it as good value in comparison to what's out there now - a hand forged blade/handmade? As to the wait? There are Randall Authorized dealers out there who are currently accepting orders with delivery of January 2012 - you'll simply pay the price of the delivery year - so; you'll pay 2012 catalog price. Think of it this way - now you have a full year to save for your Randall.

:thumbup:

Cool man, but which dealers? I requested a catalog today.

 

[Sufler]

Cool man, but which dealers? I requested a catalog today.

I didn't feel it was proper to post 'em here but you'll find a few in your visitor messages.

What are you thinking of getting?

 

[Nternal]

I didn't feel it was proper to post 'em here but you'll find a few in your visitor messages.

What are you thinking of getting?

Model 14 :thumbup:

 

[Sufler]

Model 14 :thumbup:

My favorite model! Excellent choice! :thumbup:

 

[GURZO77]

To all who read this thread,

I want to be clear here. I have no doubt that a Randall knife can chop concrete blocks without sustaining major edge damage. They are great knives from a great family and have a golden reputation. :thumbup: Enough said.

MARSUS,

Demonstrating the toughness of one of your many Randall knives would've been a great thread in and of itself.

Trying to make your Randall's look good at the expense of a Busse Combat blade with a thin slicing geometry, was less than stellar. It was kind of a poorly executed sucker punch. . . . Now, I don't know about you, but I'd rather drink than get sucker punched.

We constantly test our blades as we want to know exactly how our knives will respond to nearly every possible situation. Trust me, concrete, rock, and cinder block cutting are daily fare around here. Based on our extensive testing, I will state as fact, that there is no possible strike on the concrete block in your picture that could cause, what appears to be a rectangular cut in the edge of your Sarsquatch. NEVER!

So, as I do with all who have wounded their Busse Combat blades in the pursuit of whatever it is that they are pursuing, I invite you to return your blade, just as it is pictured, in its damaged state. Please do not alter the edge. A quick inspection will tell us what happened to your edge and it will be repaired or replaced at no charge to you. If you would like us to put a regular edge on it for future demolition projects, we will be glad to do that as well. :thumbup:

The Busse Combat warranty has you covered at all times. . . . .:thumbup:

Shouldn't we be drinking yet?

Jerry :thumbup: . . .



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hello, it is possible that the infi steel knife "busse" is changed
by 2006/2007, then the knife test, is made of steel "infi" of the new
production, then the production from 2008 until today.

In practice, it is true that the steel "Infi" was better until 2007 and then,
deteriorated in quality?

Some owners of knives busse, note that the Infi steel was better
in previous years, worsened after 2007

What has changed in the 'steel' Infi "after the 2006/2007?
1-composition?
2 - tempering?
3-the type of oven used?
4 - the man in charge of tempering?


Thanks for your attention to anyone who can answer ...
and sorry for my bad English .....

 

[resinguy]

I have been active in the Busse community since 2006, and have never heard any claim that INFI has gotten worse after 2007.

As to the rest of your questions, there is no one except Jerry Busse who could answer them.

 

[komondor]

YEEHAW! Thread necromancy followed by another round of flame-throwing.

 

[GURZO77]

anyone who works in the metallurgical industry as a technical expert here?
I keep waiting.....

 

[GURZO77]

I keep waiting....
2 types of steel, hardened tempered good or bad ..
is simple ..

What has changed in the 'steel' Infi "after the 2006/2007?
1-composition?
2 - tempering?
3-the type of oven used?
4 - the man in charge of tempering?

 

[joshuabl]

I'll take number 42. Thanks for the chance.

 

[slight]

Great, now I'm gonna have to start the quest to get a Randall! Thanks Marsus!!!!!!

Berkely

and what i quest it will be. the waiting list is a few years iirc

 

[slight]

I keep waiting....
2 types of steel, hardened tempered good or bad ..
is simple ..

What has changed in the 'steel' Infi "after the 2006/2007?
1-composition?
2 - tempering?
3-the type of oven used?
4 - the man in charge of tempering?

well i guess your best bet would be to email busse driectly. maybe try and butter them up. but those seem like secrets to me, though im sure they might let you talk to whoever is in charge of tempering. in my experience with busse they are down to earth ppl with excellent business practices.

never had a randall but id love to snag one out of a yard sale.