Random Thought Thread

bluemax_1 said:
Hoping he's doing well.

BTW, when you mentioned his 02 levels dropping, does he have a pulse oximeter? Helpful tool for monitoring.

When a friend was asking for a recommendation for an inexpensive pulse-ox without resorting to medical grade units, I tested the Innovo iP900AP (~$35), and was pleasantly surprised that it holds up well against my Masimo and Nonin pulse oximeters. IIRC, I recommended it to Blues a while back.
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I'm still checking it every now and again, thank you, Max. It must be f'ed up though. It showed me at 99% and a pulse of 40 the other day...I think I even hit 38 like I used to years ago when I still (ugh!) ran...I mean jogged. I'm no runner.

Cool little device.
 
metaltamer said:
What would y’all say about DEK1 in basic survival/bushcraft setting? Is it still covered by cpk if it breaks etc? The DEK2 or FK’s def suited to that but just love the size and look of dek1 for any other typical use…. if I can get a hold of one lol. Really would be a general use blade which is why I like the blade length but want something that can be used for heavy camp use as well without issue or worry… easy answer is just buy them all but ya know… haha
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Don’t remember if the dek1 has the forever warrantee … it works for camping if you have small hands. 4.5” is a little short for firewood and cooking, my default camping knife is the UF. Remember, only 8oz, it was designed for “survival”, and length matters :)

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And for once our super mod is right, you need both :)
 
Blues said:
I'm still checking it every now and again, thank you, Max. It must be f'ed up though. It showed me at 99% and a pulse of 40 the other day...I think I even hit 38 like I used to years ago when I still (ugh!) ran...I mean jogged. I'm no runner.

Cool little device.
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😯

If it's working right, I'm jealous! Those are Elite athlete level cardio stats.
 
bluemax_1 said:
😯

If it's working right, I'm jealous! Those are Elite athlete level cardio stats.
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Yeah but machines are funny. I have a low resting heart rate and have for years. I also know I have untreated high blood pressure. So, I'm still as likely to keel over from something...but I don't plan on going on any statins or other drugs and I accept the fact that I won't live forever.

Quality of life is really all I aim for. I've already hit 70 so I haven't been cheated.

And I'm far from an elite athlete. I'm a decently fit septuagenarian or whatever the right term is. I'm not setting any marks for clean living.

(In other words, I eat what I want and like beer, pizza and ice cream. And maybe a donut or brownie. LOL.)
 
ferider said:
Don’t remember if the dek1 has the forever warrantee … it works for camping if you have small hands. 4.5” is a little short for firewood and cooking, my default camping knife is the UF. Remember, only 8oz, it was designed for “survival”, and length matters :)

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And for once our super mod is right, you need both :)
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Yeah who am I kidding lol. Really I think it’s going to start with whichever I can actually get my hands on for starters! Seems like it would be easy enough to trade/sell off if ends up not being ideal fit for me. Love all of these from pics and descriptions but need hands on em!!
 
metaltamer said:
Yup! Sounds like fall for those and a few more cruwear next week I think. Might wait out for the 3v… or try and snag a cruwear. It’s really tough to get in on the Friday sales though right?
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Sometimes I try everytime on my phone at work with meh wifi

There's some ninjas here though more than happy to help people out with a proxy if you need help!
 
Not at home right now, but a pic that might also help, is showing the difference in handle profiles/thicknesses with a spine shot.

As I mentioned, I have the FK1, FK2 and DEK1. The thickness of the FK2 handle is one of the things that I found made it noticeably more comfortable when applying more pressure (but also makes it more noticeable when sitting down with the knife in the scout carry position).
 
bluemax_1 said:
Not at home right now, but a pic that might also help, is showing the difference in handle profiles/thicknesses with a spine shot.

As I mentioned, I have the FK1, FK2 and DEK1. The thickness of the FK2 handle is one of the things that I found made it noticeably more comfortable when applying more pressure (but also makes it more noticeable when sitting down with the knife in the scout carry position).
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Yes that would be great to see!
 
metaltamer said:
Yeah man based on everything so far FK1 is what I’d really like… again… just need to find one! Are they making those ever or mostly basics now?
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The FK1 is gone, unfortunately - sometimes there is one in the Exchange, but you have to act quickly.

bluemax_1 said:
Not at home right now, but a pic that might also help, is showing the difference in handle profiles/thicknesses with a spine shot.

As I mentioned, I have the FK1, FK2 and DEK1. The thickness of the FK2 handle is one of the things that I found made it noticeably more comfortable when applying more pressure (but also makes it more noticeable when sitting down with the knife in the scout carry position).
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FK2 in the middle, DEK1 on the right:

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Here is the man himself on FK vs DEK1:

“It was recently asked if it would be prudent to baton with a DEK1 and Lorien pointed out it wasn't really designed for that and he might not recommend it.

I have the benefit of a lot of first hand experience in destructive testing all kinds of knives, and Delta 3V in particular, and my perspective is that although it isn't designed for batoning it will tolerate it. You're going to have a really hard time breaking this knife. Also, a swiss army knife will tolerate a little batoning. But it will be more prone to damage than a Field Knife.

But, like Lorien stated, a Field Knife would be a better choice for wood prep for a knife of that size. The DEK1 is .160" blade thickness vs .188. The primary grinds are nearly 10% narrower. It is thinner behind the edge. It has a skinnier thinner point. It is a little more slicy. Not huge differences, but they're there.

And just as important as the blade is the handle. The DEK1 is designed for compact carry (minimal handle size) and a reverse grip. It has specific geometry to key into the interior shape of the inside of your hand in specific grips. The handle is really quite brilliant and needs to be experienced to fully appreciate. This helps it lock in and not slide if you're stabbing something in either a saber or a reverse grip. Saber = held tip up, edge out with the grip across the palm at an angle to project reach. Reverse grip (ice pick grip) = held tip down, edge out with the grip 90 degrees to the arm with the thumb over the butt <--- commonly used in contemporary knife fighting which can resemble grappling.

The Field Knife is not a weapon and does not incorporate a reverse grip. But it does have a larger and longer grip and it accommodates a three finger grip where the butt is in the center of the hollow of your palm (such as when batoning). This handle accommodates a wider range of hand sizes and numerous hand grips used when cutting with a knife as a tool in bushcraft and other extended detailed cutting exercises. You can exert many times more rotational force with this handle than you can a handle designed as stabbing weapon like the DEK1. If you put them in your hand and hold the handle like you would for batoning and try twisting them in your hand the difference is clear.

So, not only does the Field Knife have a somewhat more substantial blade, the handle will resist the rotation and tendency to steer and torque the bevels that leads to bent primary grinds and bevel blowouts.

TL;DR you can baton with either. But less care and skill is required with the Field Knife because the blade is somewhat more robust and the handle is designed to give the user a lot of rotational control which helps protect the blade from damage.


Now, all of that said, there is a lot of overlap here. They're similar size and are made of the same steel with relatively similar geometry and are both intended to be carried as a general purpose cutting tool. The Field Knife makes no concessions for concealability nor does it try to be a weapon but you could certainly conceal it and any knife can be a weapon. And, like the Field Knife, the DEK1 is a very durable high performance cutting tool and it could be used for bush craft, but you'll be able to use the Field knife for more extended cutting chores before your hand and arm gets tired.

I would carry the Field Knife camping. Unless I wanted it to serve self defense. And I would carry the DEK1 as an EDC while mowing the grass in case I get attacked an insane dog attack (this actually happened to someone here on our forum and is why we Deked out an EDC) unless I planned to build a shelter with it afterwards.

They're both outstanding general purpose cutting tools. Choose the DEK1 if you're looking for a more concealable EDC package that doubles as a weapon, and choose the Field Knife if you're going to be cutting a lot of stuff with it all the time like a tradesmen or someone in the woods a lot.

I hope this helps muddy the waters some“
 
I've always thought that was one of the Evil Genius' best treatises. (And it got me to buy both in the same order.)

Since then I've had two fights with a dog, (same dog both times), and didn't use the DEK 1 either time.

So, I'll be asking for my money back. 🤣 🍻


(Nate will just say that his warranty doesn't cover slow learners.)
 
I wish I still had my '85 it was going strong and had over 320,000 miles ... until I let my brother borrow it. My poor '09 here's about worn out ... ;)
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ironwagon said:
Man, that's a bummer. My 2011 Tacoma has about 280k on and still going strong. I'm only the second owner and have put about 45k on it. I'm shooting for the million mile mark! :)


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