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J Jabrni

Check with Langdon Tactical and see whether they are still manufacturing "The Gadget" (Striker Control Device).

My friend Tom Jones, (not that Tom Jones), invented it several years ago and I've been using one on all of my Glocks since...G19, G17, and a pair of G26's.

I never had a problem without the SCD, but it's a fantastic device that adds real utility and safety to the Glock, especially during holstering.

Have a look, I just found this on YT. (All of my SCDs predate Ernest taking over production from Tom, but several guys on another site I am involved with use them...former LE and civilians alike.)

 
Blues said:
J Jabrni

Check with Langdon Tactical and see whether they are still manufacturing "The Gadget" (Striker Control Device).

My friend Tom Jones, (not that Tom Jones), invented it several years ago and I've been using one on all of my Glocks since...G19, G17, and a pair of G26's.

I never had a problem without the SCD, but it's a fantastic device that adds real utility and safety to the Glock, especially during holstering.

Have a look, I just found this on YT. (All of my SCDs predate Ernest taking over production from Tom, but several guys on another site I am involved with use them...former LE and civilians alike.)

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Yup. Simple, yet practical engineering.

I’ll admit , I’m a huge fan of simple, yet practical engineering. The LCI extractor is another example. An engineer looked at a component and thought, “this piece is usually inset a little, if the chamber is empty. When it engages the rim of a round, it pops up flush to the slide. If we machine a little bump on the outside, when it’s engaging the rim of a chambered round, that bump can be felt protruding just a little bit, indicating there’s a round in the chamber”. Just a little bump in the machined metal.

Same goes for Emerson’s Wave; such a brilliantly simple idea.

P.S. couldn’t resist
I’d bet;
It’s not unusual… (to be loved by anyone mistaken for the other one) 😅
 
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bluemax_1 said:
Yup. Simple, yet practical engineering.

I’ll admit , I’m a huge fan of simple, yet practical engineering. The LCI extractor is another example. An engineer looked at a component and thought, “this piece is usually inset a little, if the chamber is empty. When it engages the rim of a round, it pops up flush to the slide. If we machine a little bump on the outside, when it’s engaging the rim of a chambered round, that bump can be felt protruding just a little bit, indicating there’s a round in the chamber”. Just a little bump in the machined metal.

Same goes for Emerson’s Wave; such a brilliantly simple idea.

P.S. couldn’t resist
I’d bet;
It’s not unusual… (to be mistaken for the other one) 😅
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Max, one day we're going to meet up and I'm going to hold your head underwater...just long enough.

(I know you'll come up to the surface with something pithy, but it will do wonders for my blood pressure. LOL)
 
Blues said:
J Jabrni

Check with Langdon Tactical and see whether they are still manufacturing "The Gadget" (Striker Control Device).

My friend Tom Jones, (not that Tom Jones), invented it several years ago and I've been using one on all of my Glocks since...G19, G17, and a pair of G26's.

I never had a problem without the SCD, but it's a fantastic device that adds real utility and safety to the Glock, especially during holstering.

Have a look, I just found this on YT. (All of my SCDs predate Ernest taking over production from Tom, but several guys on another site I am involved with use them...former LE and civilians alike.)

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I appreciate the suggestion Blues Blues and will figure out how to get one of these.

I don’t typically admit to not chambering, but I figured with the massive amount of experience in this community, there would be some great advice. Appreciate the time y’all took to encourage positive habits.
 
Jabrni said:
I appreciate the suggestion Blues Blues and will figure out how to get one of these.

I don’t typically admit to not chambering, but I figured with the massive amount of experience in this community, there would be some great advice. Appreciate the time y’all took to encourage positive habits.
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My pleasure.

One of the great things about this forum is that you are about 99.9% certain of being among friends and folks you can trust. (And whose intentions are good even if they're mistaken about something.)

Oh, yeah, and the knives.
 
Murphjd25 said:
Who carries without one in the pipe? Now we are asking the real questions….
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Lots of people do. A person has to know their limitations.

There have been plenty of studies that showed that carrying a handgun increases your chance of being shot or accidentally shooting someone. And unchambered gun can't go off. People can actually reduce their safety by having a gun on them.

Yes, there are situations where you will not have the opportunity to chamber your gun.

There are also situations where a chambered gun could go off and there was really no compelling reason for it to be chambered.


Jo got a Glock after reading an article about a man who came to a home, killed the man that opened the door, found the wife and daughter hiding in a bathroom, and I'll not describe this farther.

If that woman would have had a gun and been competent with it, there would have been a much different outcome. And that gun did not need to be chambered, it would have made no difference, she had plenty of time to chamber it. Hell, it didn't even need to be loaded. Just having a gun, she could have changed the outcome. And it was a bad outcome.


If a woman wants to carry a handgun in her purse. And that gun is loaded and unchambered. It's better than nothing, because there are a lot of situations where it could be deployed usefully. And an unchambered gun cannot go off by accident due to lack of experience and fumbling.

My mother is 81 years old and clumsy. If she lived in a dangerous place I would want her to have a loaded gun. But if it was chambered all the time she'd probably shoot somebody with it by accident.

At Blade Show this year I was packing heat in that little green bag and there wasn't room for my gun a holster that covers the trigger. I left it unchambered while I was in the show because I wanted to reduce the chances of a mishap to zero. That's responsible gun ownership. And I chambered it and had my hand in the bag on the gun walking to the hotel in Atlanta at night with tens of thousands of dollars of cash on me. It was unchambered in the show, and in "problem solver mode" while I was walking around Atlanta at night with my crew. Glocks don't really have a safety. It's not hard to pull the trigger on one by accident if it is not in a proper holster that covers the trigger.
 
Also, guns around the house. If you have little children, they probably can't even chamber a pistol. You might have a brain fart or a lapse of judgment and there could be a situation where a child has access to a loaded pistol. It's way better that pistol is unchambered.
 
It is about risk management and optimizing outcomes. It's much better to have a loaded gun than no gun. But a chambered gun can sometimes be worse than being unarmed. Lots and lots and lots of examples to prove this
 
So yeah, my point is, if you choose to carry and carry unchambered, you're not going to hear any shit from me about it. You do you. It is every individual's responsibility to know their limitations and optimize their outcomes for the safety of themselves their loved ones and the people around them. Some people should not carry chambered, for a myriad of legitimate reasons
 
A few decades ago, my brother kept a revolver in his nightstand. Because it wasn’t locked up he kept the first chamber empty.
One night after being at the bars, the girl he was dating decided to end her life while my brother was in the shower. She put the gun to her head and pulled the trigger. Click. Nothing happened. Confused she pulled the gun away from her head (so she could see it) and pulled the trigger again. Boom.
This was right as my brother was coming out of the bathroom. He ran into his room and tackled her. Then started yelling for me to help him wrestle the gun from her.
I was busy being passed out and my hearing is impaired. He drug her into the hallway and kicked my door open. As intended, the light woke me up, and we successfully took the gun away from her.
 
Nate, for the purposes of the above discussion, I was only referring to his carrying a gun upon his person...not in a pack, a purse, a pocketbook, or in someone else's possession, a nightstand drawer or table top. Just for the sake of clarity.

And of course, there are always outliers for any situation...

I've handed my loaded gun to a partner when I thought I'd end up rolling around with someone when I attempted to put the cuffs on them. There's always an exception.
 
Nathan the Machinist said:
Look up "Glock leg"

There are so many people who have put their finger in the wrong spot while holstering their pistol there's an actual name for it
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See the video I posted above regarding the Striker Control Device. It's something that could have come from your shop under other circumstances. It has that sort of pedigree. And it works. And if it ever broke or failed, it doesn't prevent the firearm from working normally.
 
"I know a guy" who had an intruder break into his home. Guy goes and gets his pistol from the locked gun safe (he was pretty shaken at this point, but had the presence of mind to open the safe). The guy knew the pistol was stored in condition 1. The guy, in the adrenaline dump racked the slide anyway to chamber a round. The guy was then very distracted by the intruder in the house, and completely irritated he forgot the pistol was already ready to go.

But, as the guy tells it, he got his focus right after that and addressed the threat.

I guess all kinds of strange things happen under stress, so training is important.

So I'm told.
 
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And mistakes with revolvers happen as well. In the '70s my dad worked with a WSP trooper who was speed cleaning his revolver (cleaning rod down the barrel and into the cylinder with the gun pointed towards you. Click, brush, click brush, to save a step) and shot himself in the chest, and no he didn't live to advise against it. When I got older I often wondered if it was suicide, but not too many people shoot themselves center mass as far as I know. Maybe it was and intended to look like an accident for life insurance? Guess no one will ever really know, but there sure are a lot of people that get shot by a gun that wasn't loaded.

Winston
 
I was doing a tactical entry into a location in a strip mall where there was a ton of dope being secreted in cans of crab meat imported from Colombia.

As my DEA partner and I ran for the door in a mirrored glass establishment, we heard a gun go off, but no broken glass. We tried to figure out who was shooting at us as we made entry.

Turned out one of the perimeter guys shot himself in the leg as he tried to exit the vehicle. He tried to hide the fact by covering up the wound to his leg with tape. (He eventually became a supervisor.)

I was also at the range when the incident occurred which caused Glock to move away from Tupperware boxes with the central post that went into the trigger guard. Guy put his loaded gun back in the case in his trunk, shot out the back of his Volvo into his upper thigh. Won a cash settlement and became an ASAC.

Another agent, at the Ft. Lauderdale P.D. range, decided to handle live ammo and his gun in the cleaning room where it said "No Live Ammo or Loaded Guns".

You guessed it.

Fuck up and move up.
 
Blues said:
I was also at the range when the incident occurred which caused Glock to move away from Tupperware boxes with the central post that went into the trigger guard. Guy put his loaded gun back in the case in his trunk, shot out the back of his Volvo into his upper thigh. Won a cash settlement and became an ASAC.
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I still have my center post box. Always wondered why it was designed that way and why the switch.
 
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