Random Thought Thread

JustinFournier said:
That's the only one of interest to me. I had 2 on pre-order but got a refund long ago. Not much faith in the process.

I'm hoping the FK 2.0 goes more towards this way or the Bushcrafter Lorien is working on fills in the gap.
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FK 2.0 is going to be a pretty useful knife for most things most people deal with on a more or less regular basis, with the addition of incorporating a handle designed to stay in your hand no matter what- if ya know what I'm sayin... it'll be a practical addition to any service member's kit, or outdoorsperson wanting the comfort of a good knife in regions where large predators still roam, or where personal safety is generally at odds with the environment and organisms existing within it

a handle shaped for absolute gription does not work very well where wood is involved, (unless you're chopping it). There's a reason why chisels have symmetrical handles, and although a knife is obviously different from a chisel, the same considerations regarding control over precise cuts under a fairly high amount of pressure can be applied. I'd very much like to design a CPK bushcraft knife, but the FK 2.0 will be consuming the next several months of my focus. In the meantime, I'm going to have to start researching knives of this genre, since I've always made do with knives not designed specifically for that use and don't have any to experiment with
 
Lorien Lorien if you want a bushcraft specific knife, see if anyone can send you a Canteenshop Woodcrafter. I used to have one or I'd send it to you, the most comfortable handle I've ever owned on any knife IIRC. And a good old fashioned Mora does pretty well and is a great handle for bushcraft tasks IMO. I've handled the adventure sworn and similar blades and didn't like the way they fit me.
 
Lorien said:
FK 2.0 is going to be a pretty useful knife for most things most people deal with on a more or less regular basis, with the addition of incorporating a handle designed to stay in your hand no matter what- if ya know what I'm sayin... it'll be a practical addition to any service member's kit, or outdoorsperson wanting the comfort of a good knife in regions where large predators still roam, or where personal safety is generally at odds with the environment and organisms existing within it

a handle shaped for absolute gription does not work very well where wood is involved, (unless you're chopping it). There's a reason why chisels have symmetrical handles, and although a knife is obviously different from a chisel, the same considerations regarding control over precise cuts under a fairly high amount of pressure can be applied. I'd very much like to design a CPK bushcraft knife, but the FK 2.0 will be consuming the next several months of my focus. In the meantime, I'm going to have to start researching knives of this genre, since I've always made do with knives not designed specifically for that use and don't have any to experiment with
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Try out some Mora's to get a feel for them. They are cheap and excellent. I'm imagining a D3V Scandi grind knife with about a 4 inch classic woodlore bladeshape and a very comfortable handle.

Looking forward the Field Knife 2.0 a lot. I like the "not coming out of your hand" idea.
 
With those inexpensive Chinese made mountain bikes on trails like that, my previously slipped L4/L5 will revisit me in a major way within 5 minutes of my body shaking like a tumble dryer on that bicycle!
 
Lorien said:
FK 2.0 is going to be a pretty useful knife for most things most people deal with on a more or less regular basis, with the addition of incorporating a handle designed to stay in your hand no matter what... a handle shaped for absolute [grip] does not work very well where wood is involved, (unless you're chopping it)...
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Only speaking for myself, but I am hoping the FK 2.0 does not center itself around chopping wood. I have not chopped wood since I was a kid and am literally surrounded by chain, circular, chop and table saws at home and at work. An every day, urban user for every day urban tasks is what I hoping to see with the FK 2.0.
 
adamlau said:
Only speaking for myself, but I am hoping the FK 2.0 does not center itself around chopping wood. I have not chopped wood since I was a kid and am literally surrounded by chain, circular, chop and table saws at home and at work. An every day, urban user for every day urban tasks is what I hoping to see with the FK 2.0.
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That's what it'll be I hope.
 
I'm with you. I would like to see a fairly thin blade for cutting tasks. I'm not interested in chopping or splitting wood with a field knife.
 
Lorien said:
FK 2.0 is going to be a pretty useful knife for most things most people deal with on a more or less regular basis, with the addition of incorporating a handle designed to stay in your hand no matter what-

a handle shaped for absolute gription does not work very well where wood is involved, (unless you're chopping it). There's a reason why chisels have symmetrical handles, and although a knife is obviously different from a chisel, the same considerations regarding control over precise cuts under a fairly high amount of pressure can be applied. I'd very much like to design a CPK bushcraft knife, but the FK 2.0 will be consuming the next several months of my focus. In the meantime, I'm going to have to start researching knives of this genre, since I've always made do with knives not designed specifically for that use and don't have any to experiment with
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Having grown up with a hammer in my hand, and having used wood chisels and lathe tools for 35 years, I agree with Lorien on these comments. A hammer, even with soaking wet hands in the high heat and humidity of east coast summers, can be safely used. And they are a pretty simple shape. Chisels the same way. Using a chisel to push, or to lever small pcs out of a mortise, or tapping with a mallet, this activity requires a uniform handle shape in 360. An "ergonomic" handle would not work for this.

I believe this is why we see handles on woodworking and carving knives, dating back centuries, that are very simple. And it is beyond doubt they are tested by time and experience. However, very, very few people among us use woodworking knives to make a living, or to work a trade, and so we don't spend hours a day with the knife in our hand woodworking. And we can then buy something with a "marketing" label on it, and think it is designed for something, that experience, if used would tell us it is actually not all that great. The old simple designs are not that "modern" t look at, but the weight of experience proved them the best at what they did, by tradesmen that used and developed them over many years.
 
Brian77 said:
I believe this is why we see handles on woodworking and carving knives, dating back centuries, that are very simple. And it is beyond doubt they are tested by time and experience. However, very, very few people among us use woodworking knives to make a living, or to work a trade, and so we don't spend hours a day with the knife in our hand woodworking. And we can then buy something with a "marketing" label on it, and think it is designed for something, that experience, if used would tell us it is actually not all that great. The old simple designs are not that "modern" t look at, but the weight of experience proved them the best at what they did, by tradesmen that used and developed them over many years.
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well stated! I absolutely agree with you. One of the great joys I get out of working with/for CPK is that I get to design knives that are actually FOR something, and the designs go through several filters which reinforce that pragmatism

if there is demand for a wood crafting knife, and Nathan and Jo decide they want to fill that demand, the only LOOK that's important to me is the CPK look- what you'll see will be something made to work properly and not some stylized idea of what MIGHT work properly. The heart of the design will pump performance. As opposed to being on life support from birth due to a heart defect, (my pet term for bad knives)

I don't know how I passed along the impression that the FK 2.0 would be designed for chopping, other than using the word 'chopping' to describe something generally. Rest assured, it will be a compact, usefully sized knife designed for general use and a hand hugging handle
 
Agreed Brian77 Brian77 . Hence the need for a CPK chisel! A Buck 3/4" is an integral part of my toolbelt for both prying and scraping (along with occasional chiseling) duties.
Lorien said:
I don't know how I passed along the impression that the FK 2.0 would be designed for chopping...
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You made clear in the first sentence of your initial post what role you intended the FK 2.0 to fill. Only that I noted that the upcoming offerings have little, or reduced value for the average tradesman (though perhaps not the woodsman) and was overly concerned that the FK 2.0 would follow suit.
Rest assured, it will be a compact, usefully sized knife designed for general use and a hand hugging handle
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Good to know :thumbsup:
 
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Brian77 said:
Having grown up with a hammer in my hand, and having used wood chisels and lathe tools for 35 years, I agree with Lorien on these comments. A hammer, even with soaking wet hands in the high heat and humidity of east coast summers, can be safely used. And they are a pretty simple shape. Chisels the same way. Using a chisel to push, or to lever small pcs out of a mortise, or tapping with a mallet, this activity requires a uniform handle shape in 360. An "ergonomic" handle would not work for this.

I believe this is why we see handles on woodworking and carving knives, dating back centuries, that are very simple. And it is beyond doubt they are tested by time and experience. However, very, very few people among us use woodworking knives to make a living, or to work a trade, and so we don't spend hours a day with the knife in our hand woodworking. And we can then buy something with a "marketing" label on it, and think it is designed for something, that experience, if used would tell us it is actually not all that great. The old simple designs are not that "modern" t look at, but the weight of experience proved them the best at what they did, by tradesmen that used and developed them over many years.
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IMO Nathan's Skinner has a handle much more in this direction. I believe he made it that way because the way it would be held in his use.

If you get your UF out and try it in a variety of common grips for fighting, you will find it suits that need quite well.

I haven't seen a single handle shape come out of CPK that wasn't tuned to the exact use the knife was designed for.
 
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