Random Thought Thread

abraves said:
I have a subcontractor that has a friend in FL that spends 6 months out of the year out of the country. He came back and people were living in his house. He has been fighting in court for the last year and a half. His house and paid for.
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Didn't FL pass anti-squatter laws last year? They no longer require courts to remove them.
 
Nathan the Machinist said:
I have heard that you don't want to go to the police in the case of a squatter. They forge a lease and getting the police involved, they can't actually do anything to help you (I'm sorry sir, this is a civil matter) but it then legally establishes the conflict and makes court necessary. If you avoid involving the police and the legal system you can simply remove a squatter with violence. Once you involve the law, violence is no longer an option.

Or so I have heard.
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Consult an attorney to confirm your state laws before doing anything. In any event, if a squatter has been there long enough, then in most cases you will have to proceed under a formal eviction process and law enforcement will be unable to help until they are handed an eviction order to execute.

Apparently, there is a newly prevalent scam in Texas where people sell property they do not own. It takes various forms, but a common method is for the scammer to record a false deed transferring title to property to themselves (often vacant/rural land) into the appropriate county records (since in most cases, anyone can record any instrument that is in proper form). Then, the scammer poses as the owner and sells the property to an unsuspecting, bona fide purchaser who goes through the regular process to close on the purchase through a title company. The title company does not catch the scam because, in their mind, title was properly passed to the scammer via the recorded deed. The true, legal owner will then not discover the scam until they notice a construction crew building a house on their land and confronts the new "owner" holding the deed to "their" new land. The scammer vanishes while the true owner, the new "owner" and the title company then start suing each other. In the end, all parties are usually forced to settle and lose plenty of cash in the process.

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I may be having a squatter issue soon. He was supposed to be out by August of last year, put him on a six month ext, then once that was up went month to month. However, now we are developing the land into lots and have to shut off the septic soon. It is now time for him to go. Not to mention a few legal issues we faced while he was living in the home, this may be my last residential rental I self manage I much prefer light industrial as an investment. The laws in WA state makes it hard to be a landlord for homes.
 
ferider said:
1) you are speaking out of the comfort of a US state with a stand-your-ground law. In practice, not all US states today agree with you.

2) you are right, the US 1st and 2nd amendments are unique compared to Europe. This has always puzzled me regarding the German 1949 constitution, also as it was signed off by the US / Allied Forces after all: no 2nd amendment for a war looser I understand, but no 1st one, I don’t get.
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It's kind of crazy to me that "stand your ground" and "castle doctrine" aren't more or less uniformly codified across the United states. Reason being, one action in a certain location is perfectly acceptable and that exact same action is a felony and life in prison in another location. All within the same country and among the same people. There's a wild inconsistency there.
 
While the federal government utilizes the "interstate commerce" clause of the constitution to justify passing lots of laws and even more administrative regulations that should really be outside the bounds of federal legislation, murder is still in the realm of state law. Stand your ground laws provide defenses in the event of a murder charge. There are wild inconsistencies in the ways in which people in different states wish to be governed. There is a lot less of an ability (none) to vote in favor of or against federal laws than state laws.
 
Nathan the Machinist said:
It's kind of crazy to me that "stand your ground" and "castle doctrine" aren't more or less uniformly codified across the United states. Reason being, one action in a certain location is perfectly acceptable and that exact same action is a felony and life in prison in another location. All within the same country and among the same people. There's a wild inconsistency there.
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So, would you say you're a Federalist or a Jeffersonian Democrat? Your answer doesn't really matter as only one party ultimately won the debate.
 
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oldmanwilly said:
Consult an attorney to confirm your state laws before doing anything. In any event, if a squatter has been there long enough, then in most cases you will have to proceed under a formal eviction process and law enforcement will be unable to help until they are handed an eviction order to execute.

Apparently, there is a newly prevalent scam in Texas where people sell property they do not own. It takes various forms, but a common method is for the scammer to record a false deed transferring title to property to themselves (often vacant/rural land) into the appropriate county records (since in most cases, anyone can record any instrument that is in proper form). Then, the scammer poses as the owner and sells the property to an unsuspecting, bona fide purchaser who goes through the regular process to close on the purchase through a title company. The title company does not catch the scam because, in their mind, title was properly passed to the scammer via the recorded deed. The true, legal owner will then not discover the scam until they notice a construction crew building a house on their land and confronts the new "owner" holding the deed to "their" new land. The scammer vanishes while the true owner, the new "owner" and the title company then start suing each other. In the end, all parties are usually forced to settle and lose plenty of cash in the process.

www.housebeautiful.com

Beware of "Title Pirates"—This New Real Estate Scam Could Cost You BIG Money

“They’re getting scary sophisticated.”
www.housebeautiful.com www.housebeautiful.com
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This was attempted on a property that I own. Luckily the realtor who they attempted to list the property with was suspicious and alerted the realtor that we had used in the purchase, who then alerted us. We were directed to contact the sheriff and FBI which we did. The scammer had presented a fake id with the previous owners name on it to the agent he attempted to list it with, via email. I guess he was looking at older records. He was conducting the scam from New York. I was told the are especially fond of bare land with no mortgage. The realtor actually kept up contact with him to obtain as much information as possible for anyone trying to build a case.
 
Mendoman said:
This was attempted on a property that I own. Luckily the realtor who they attempted to list the property with was suspicious and alerted the realtor that we had used in the purchase, who then alerted us. We were directed to contact the sheriff and FBI which we did. The scammer had presented a fake id with the previous owners name on it to the agent he attempted to list it with, via email. I guess he was looking at older records. He was conducting the scam from New York. I was told the are especially fond of bare land with no mortgage. The realtor actually kept up contact with him to obtain as much information as possible for anyone trying to build a case.
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Geez, I'm glad the realtors were savvy and intervened before it got too far. Otherwise it would have been a nightmare.
 
oldmanwilly said:
So, would you say you're a Federalist or a Jeffersonian Democrat? Your answer doesn't really matter as only one party ultimately won the debate.
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I'm technically a Republican I guess but I am a little disillusioned with my party. I think most people who identify as a Republican today would call me a rino. And I'm okay with that. Politics has become a mix of reality TV and team sport, and I guess I just don't fit in anymore. I don't care.

I agree that we need to secure our borders, limit immigration of people from countries whose culture is fundamentally incompatible with ours and whose migration to our country is primarily for their benefit and not ours, spend tax money wisely and biased in a way where it benefits the people who paid it, and move away from a lot of the identity politics stuff. I'm a fat middle-aged white southerner who hunts and shoots guns regularly and drives a deleted diesel truck. I'm clearly a Republican. However, I believe we need intelligent competent professionals making sane rational choices and the fact that an ignorant and unhinged conspiracy theorist like Marjorie Taylor Green has developed a lot of prominence in the Republican party clearly demonstrates that we are no longer the adults in the room. All of the incompetency and chaos is embarrassing to the party and destructive and wasteful to the country.

I like that Trump is outside of the political class and he will say and do some outrageous things. And I don't even care that much that he's a repugnant person. But he does not have the right temperament for the job and he is largely incompetent. Not as hopelessly out of touch with reality as what remained of Joe Biden but still not good enough. Add to that he is a person of poor character and I don't particularly care for him.

All of that said, I do like the implementation of some of the policies reversing where the liberals have overstepped. Some of the insanity was getting a little out of hand.

At the end of the day it's supposed to be a respectful collaborative effort that goes back and forth and the current system is so dysfunctional, I fear for our future. This country deserves competent law and policy makers, on both sides, but we have been voting for the wrong people for the wrong reasons. I blame social media.
 
Nathan the Machinist said:
I'm technically a Republican I guess but I am a little disillusioned with my party. I think most people who identify as a Republican today would call me a rino. And I'm okay with that. Politics has become a mix of reality TV and team sport, and I guess I just don't fit in anymore. I don't care.

I agree that we need to secure our borders, limit immigration of people from countries whose culture is fundamentally incompatible with ours and whose migration to our country is primarily for their benefit and not ours, spend tax money wisely and biased in a way where it benefits the people who paid it, and move away from a lot of the identity politics stuff. I'm a fat middle-aged white southerner who hunts and shoots guns regularly and drives a deleted diesel truck. I'm clearly a Republican. However, I believe we need intelligent competent professionals making sane rational choices and the fact that an ignorant and unhinged conspiracy theorist like Marjorie Taylor Green has developed a lot of prominence in the Republican party clearly demonstrates that we are no longer the adults in the room. All of the incompetency and chaos is embarrassing to the party and destructive and wasteful to the country.

I like that Trump is outside of the political class and he will say and do some outrageous things. And I don't even care that much that he's a repugnant person. But he does not have the right temperament for the job and he is largely incompetent. Not as hopelessly out of touch with reality as what remained of Joe Biden but still not good enough. Add to that he is a person of poor character and I don't particularly care for him.

All of that said, I do like the implementation of some of the policies reversing where the liberals have overstepped. Some of the insanity was getting a little out of hand.

At the end of the day it's supposed to be a respectful collaborative effort that goes back and forth and the current system is so dysfunctional, I fear for our future. This country deserves competent law and policy makers, on both sides, but we have been voting for the wrong people for the wrong reasons. I blame social media.
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Sounds like you are a logical moderate. I would think most people who are apart of the silent majority feel about the same as you do. I know I do.
 
Go and watch footage of presidential debates from 30+ years ago. It really highlights how far public discourse has fallen. It once could be said (in summation), "My opponent and I both want the same thing, what's best for our country. We disagree on how we achieve that".

We have forgotten that a diversity of ideas and perceptions, and their respective exploration, is important to maintain the health of a democratic republic. Societies are always evolving and the sides that remain resistant to such evolutions are usually the ones that find themselves on the wrong side of history.
 
we don't have the same issue here in Canada since our election systems are much more tightly regulated- the unlimited influence of money in US politics seems to tick all the boxes as the #1 democracy destroyer there. The ironically named 'Citizens United' would need to be overturned in order for improvements to be made, but it's hard to imagine that anyone in charge would ever let that happen.
 
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